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Lobster Bisque
Lost in Time and Space
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Posted - 2015.10.16 20:59:16 -
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I like these at first glance, but I'm a little confused about the Vigil's bonuses. Does it make sense to pair a web range bonus with an explosion velocity bonus? If something's webbed explosion velocity won't help application much.
Is there something I'm missing here? I guess it would be helpful for LML kiting fits.
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Ezmerald
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2015.10.16 21:03:07 -
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So you are adding more cancer ECM ships to the game without even addressing the terrible game mechanism that is ECM? Why in gods name would you add more before fixing it and making ECCM mods actually work? |
Mr Grape Drink
Sugar - Water - Purple
56
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Posted - 2015.10.16 21:05:51 -
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Styphon the Black wrote:I wouldn't really call these "new" ships. Just a newer version of an old hull with some slightly different stats. How about some actual new ships? Like the T3 Destroyers were. I see none of these are bonused toward the new anti-missile EWAR I was hoping that at least one race would have a bonused ship.
The Cruicifier bonus will affect the missile disruptor |
Midori Tsu
Evolution Northern Coalition.
142
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Posted - 2015.10.16 21:14:54 -
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The Navy Maulus makes me wonder why the Ishkur even exists. |
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
1220
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Posted - 2015.10.16 21:16:34 -
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Midori Tsu wrote:The Navy Maulus makes me wonder why the Ishkur even exists.
mm.. ishkur needs a looking at as its the old split platform, but i think maybe the navy maulus needs too be more like 20mb rather than 25mb
T3's need to be versatile not have T2 resists, OP dps and tank obsoleting T2 ships entirely.
ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 highslots for droneboats
Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2093
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Posted - 2015.10.16 21:19:02 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote: -85% penalty to ECM optimal range and falloff
I see what you did there
Would be fun
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Stitch Kaneland
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
600
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Posted - 2015.10.16 21:23:47 -
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Idk how i feel about these changes. I like the direction with the griffin/crucifier with the range penalty, but then that gallente favoritism is showing again.
Fleet vigil looks tolerable. Course what i see from this is no one will brawl against a fleet griffin, as no frigate/dessie has the SS to avoid being permajammed. Now if no one fits jams and goes full tank, the griffin might be pretty good at brawling. Shield tanked comet. Dual web rail griffin
Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role - OP SUCCESS
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1905
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Posted - 2015.10.16 21:42:34 -
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Some interesting looking ships with some very specific bonuses. Would be nice to see the ewar tiericide that goes with this
@ChainsawPlankto
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Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
332
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Posted - 2015.10.16 21:52:45 -
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ArmyOfMe wrote:Yay, more ecm ships And yes, if you think im negative towards a lot of the things you guys have been doing this year, then you are indeed correct. Now first of all, fix ecm first, then introduce the new ecm ship. Dont sit back for another 10+ years before doing something to ecm. I think ECM is just fine.
As a matter of fact, Caldari ECM is underpowered compared to the other three. |
Zavand Crendraven
Rolling Static Gone Critical
26
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Posted - 2015.10.16 22:10:40 -
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TJ Tadaruwa wrote:Is there any particular reason why the Maulus Navy and the Vigil Fleet seem to be more like their T2 EAFs than the Crucifier Navy and the Sentinel.
Maulus Navy (point range + a random point strength outta nowhere) Vigil Fleet (web range) Crucifier Navy (you would think would have a neut/nos range bonus, if we're following the same trajectory here, no?) Griffen Navy (who cares, cuz lol ECM)
Love, -TJ Isnt it fairly obvious? Damps in brawling range is about as good blasters at kite range. Target painting is pretty much the same in that regard. ECM will still disable anything at point blank (please fix ECM seriously). And weapon disruption can still fck up the application on targets. |
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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1139
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Posted - 2015.10.16 22:19:14 -
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Danmal wrote:Assault frigates. GOOD GOD THINK OF THE ASSAULT FRIGATES.
New T1 frigs are interesting for newbros, of which you urgently need to get a lot to subscribe to make up for likely recent losses in the subscriber base (judging by the ACU). But from a balance point of view, there would be more urgent issues than the tireless introduction of new ship classes.
just pretend assault frigates don't exist, then it's ok. |
ViolentDesire
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2015.10.16 22:21:29 -
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ECM needs to be fixed before adding more of it. I havent seen a single comment anywhere even implying there needs to be more ECM in the game. No idea why these ships are added. |
Callduron
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Squids
630
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Posted - 2015.10.16 22:29:12 -
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I love to do frigate combat in Novice Plexes so for me these are an absolute dream!
Looking forward to my blaster griffin, my anti-farmer maulus, my double tracking disruptor cruci and my kitey rocket vigil.
Can't wait for these, take my LP!
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Shirocc
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
1
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Posted - 2015.10.16 22:55:14 -
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I think the Maulus needs a nerf :D 4 drones and a +5% bonus should fit better, tristan is allready cancer and we dont need a 15km cancer frig to our 24 km cancer frig sorry :/ maybe a +5% range bonus too... |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
2667
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Posted - 2015.10.16 22:58:39 -
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Lobster Bisque wrote:I like these at first glance, but I'm a little confused about the Vigil's bonuses. Does it make sense to pair a web range bonus with an explosion velocity bonus? If something's webbed explosion velocity won't help application much.
Is there something I'm missing here? I guess it would be helpful for LML kiting fits.
Well it'll be nice to have at least one ship with this. That way there's a way to beat a 10MN AB-kiting Dramiel that's using a missile disruptor without having more than one ship. Otherwise, I don't quite see the use.
Shirocc wrote:I think the Maulus needs a nerf :D 4 drones and a +5% bonus should fit better, tristan is allready cancer and we dont need a 15km cancer frig to our 24 km cancer frig sorry :/ maybe a +5% range bonus too... I agree with this. Bring it down to 4/6 drones, and buff the Crucifier to 2/6 drones. Also, the drone tracking bonus puts the Maulus along with the Vigil into anti-interceptor territory. I'm not condoning or condemning, simply pointing it out.
Pirate ship Nightmare, can you fathom
Larger but with smaller spikes than Phantasm
The Succubus looks meaner
But the Revenant cleaner
Seems as they get bigger, the smaller spikes they has'm
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1489
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Posted - 2015.10.16 23:37:20 -
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I don't think eve needs more ships.... Just balance the existing ships and be done with it.
The Tears Must Flow
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Davis TetrisKing
The Vendunari End of Life
138
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Posted - 2015.10.17 00:48:01 -
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Really like the look of these, should be interesting to see if they change the meta in novice plex's a bit.
Always good to have new stuff to play with. |
Lyra Gerie
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
66
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Posted - 2015.10.17 00:50:32 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:man, not more recon bonuses :\
and why do I want +1 scram strength?
To catch FW pilots who load up on warp core stabs to cap plexes or for wormholers trying to catch ventures or other ships with high warp core strength. It's a pretty niche market but it does exist.
TL;DR this is the ship to use if you absolutely positively need to catch another ship and either can't or don't want to drop a bubble. |
sytaqe violacea
Circus of midnight
36
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Posted - 2015.10.17 00:59:26 -
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From the FWfrig pilotGÇÖs viewpoint,
1 Question : LP Requirement of this ships are equal between FWLPstores and other LPstores? Without FW discount, they will be too expensive to take a risk of bringing brawler range.
Crucifier Navy Issue good. I love scram kite crucifier. I have killed a lot of Destroyers with scram kite crucifier, and excited by 42 PWG now.
Griffin Navy Issue so-so. The problem is "20% bonus to ECM strength". This is same as Kitsune. This ship will need tank, so much less slots for ECM strength than Kitsune. At least 25% bonus is needed to make up for the range penalty.
Maulus Navy Issue less attractive. GÇ¥+1 scramble strength to all Warp ScramblersGÇ¥ is too weak to catch farmers. Why not +2 or 100% bonus?
Vigil Fleet Issue Is this poorman's cruor? Without range bonus, rocket fit is uncompetitive. Furthermore, 50% web range bonused web is shorter than Loki linked heated web, LM kiting fit will be killed so easily. |
Prometheus Exenthal
mnemonic.
791
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Posted - 2015.10.17 01:07:01 -
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WHY?
100 flavours and you haven't even got vanilla right
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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
2827
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Posted - 2015.10.17 01:11:31 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote: Let us know what you think!
Vigil Fleet Issue I am one of the very few current PVP Vigil pilots, so any improvement on the ultimate niche ship is good.... and my preliminary numbers are....wow.
153.15 DPS (116 = 2 x LMLs w/ Explosive + 36.5 drone) 5km web, dissy = 19km OH web range and kiting like a bawss doing 153 DPS. Dis gun be nasty.
It has reasonable fitting latitude given the lower number of midslots - 2 x LML's, MSE, MWD, web, scram, 2 x BCU's and DCU appears fittable. But i really don't know what that spare highslot would, should or even could be used for, given it will most probably be used for web kiting with LML's and can't fit a decent enough buffer to deal with the current drone DPS boat proliferation.
Maulus Navy Issue There's going to be some very sore DST transports in lowsec and highsec, I can tell. 3 point 14km scrams, zomg. Of course, the next thing we really, really needed in the frigate meta was more of those long range point ships. Add in links, and 20km scram kite is going to be a thing, and we all love the idea of that I am sure. DPS is going to be reasonable given the competing drone meta options, and you can even do a reasonable sentry drone meta with these things given a 50% tracking bonus and Omnidirectional in the midslot.
Griffin Navy Issue Not sure about this ship. I guess...find something with no drones and sig tank its guns? I don't know that a 100% jam strength bonus on this will get jam strengths of 16-20 or so, which is going to be deadly vs turret and missile-only ships like the Punisher, Rifter, Corax, Svipul etc. if you can get within 9km of them (6.75 optimal + 6.75 falloff). Which is going to be hard due to being slow as pus Caldari. The DPS is also anemic, but i like the cap use bonus, it is going to help you not cap yourself out in seconds. I foresee these sitting on warp-ins in FW plexes and not much else.
Crucifier Navy Issue The Crucifier never suffered much as a brawling fit before, and this brawling focused variant is just going to make them more of a PITA for turret cruisers and BS they can get the drop on. Not sure why 4 mids and 3 lows - as an AB sig tank it can get away with one scripted TD (or MD), AB + scram. The extra lows might be very necessary for it to mount a decent armour tank, as a 3-slot tank is going to be AAR, DCU and EANM, so about 127 DPS. You'll want to be on top of drones, and hope to hell for no webs, but then actually cracking an any tank is going to be pretty hard with 4 effective turrets. Still, looks interesting.
The pick of the litter is going to be the Maulus, I'm afraid, due to that scram range and strength. Gate camper's must-have.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
40525
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Posted - 2015.10.17 01:15:27 -
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Loving that Navy Maulus.
I think this will become the replacement for the Shield Buffer kiting Tristan:
http://puu.sh/kMVfh/28ab52379e.png
Either an extra DDA for more DPS, or a second Nanofiber in the lows, freeing up a rig slot for a third Small Core Defense Field Extender, providing better buffer and higher speed.
Either way will work well I think.
No need for the scram bonus, just kite and work around the higher base mass and lower agility.
Longer targeting range is awesome.
So looking forward to this.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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M1k3y Koontz
Respawn Disabled Initiative Mercenaries
803
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Posted - 2015.10.17 01:31:22 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:H -85% penalty to Weapon Disruptor optimal range and falloff -85% penalty to ECM optimal range and falloff
Is that an 85% bonus to the range of tracking disruptors and ECM? The wording is unclear to me.
Harvey James wrote:any chance you will finally take the nerfbat to T3 cruisers in the winter patch? .. its sooo.. long overdue
Keep beating the dead horse. T3Ds are a problem, regular T3s are not.
How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
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Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1062
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Posted - 2015.10.17 01:43:37 -
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Looks broken as heck. The brawling ships to end all brawling ships. Damage potential is way, way too high for them. Both the tackle based ewar ships carry bonuses that are more suitable to kiting than brawling. Maybe giving them some additional staying power would be better than that level of dps.
EWAR/DPS doesn't lead to microgang ( people use specialized ships like keres/ceptors for that support ). It looks like they'll be the plex farming boats of choice.
I'm quite astouned how these numbers were even making a first pass, because from the perspective of someone very active in the ship brackets these fall into I'm neither hyped, nor concerned, I'm massively turned off.
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
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Iam Widdershins
Stop Breaking My Kayak
894
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Posted - 2015.10.17 03:17:48 -
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I was taken aback to see you were giving these new navy ships a full 400 calibration. Is this a typo, or an intentional move?
Lobbying for your right to delete your signature
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
2667
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Posted - 2015.10.17 03:24:16 -
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sytaqe violacea wrote:Maulus Navy Issue less attractive. GÇ¥+1 scramble strength to all Warp ScramblersGÇ¥ is too weak to catch farmers. Why not +2 or 100% bonus? You can fit 2 scramblers to get +6 scram strength, that'll stop just about anything.
Iam Widdershins wrote:I was taken aback to see you were giving these new navy ships a full 400 calibration. Is this a typo, or an intentional move? It is normal for navy ships to have 400 calibration.
Pirate ship Nightmare, can you fathom
Larger but with smaller spikes than Phantasm
The Succubus looks meaner
But the Revenant cleaner
Seems as they get bigger, the smaller spikes they has'm
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Midori Tsu
Evolution Northern Coalition.
142
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Posted - 2015.10.17 03:32:17 -
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I would really like to hear from the DEVs how they think the ishkur compares to the navy maulus |
Ares Desideratus
Minmatar Brotherhood Ushra'Khan
280
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Posted - 2015.10.17 04:12:47 -
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Why give the Maulus a full drone bay but not the Crucifier? Crucifier should use drones as its primary weapon type similar to the arbitrator shouldnt it?
Maulus already gets two of the best ewar bonuses, sensor damps, which work on practically everything, + warp scram range, and the crucifier is stuck with tracking disruptors which while good are only good against turrets, why not give it a bonus to neutralizer range or power? Still cool ships tho |
Mad Abbat
Talon Swarm NEOS FLEET
4
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Posted - 2015.10.17 04:22:22 -
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As it stands now, Crucifier Navy is not needed at all. May we have neut range bonus on crucifier navy with 5 bonussed small drones flight? |
Oreb Wing
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
104
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Posted - 2015.10.17 04:28:50 -
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They are looking good. People shouldn't knock the Cruci, just wait until the missile disruption comes online, then we'll see. Griffin would be a great wing man for two pilot roam. EHP on Maulus drones seems crazy with navy hobs, but hopefully the ship ehp is reasonable. Super web on a missile boat will be interesting. A troll breacher.
There is no grey area when the light of reason directs wisdom
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