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Garrett Osinov
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.16 19:14:25 -
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We all know it takes a while to master a ship. Months for a cruiser sized ship. And then CCP decides to nerf that ship, no matter that it's been with the current stats for years.
My proposal is if the ship get nerfed, we should be able to get our skill points back. |
Ncc 1709
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Phoenix Company Alliance
215
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Posted - 2015.10.16 19:22:54 -
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Whaaa, my gila / orthorus is getting nerfed....
shouldn't focus so hard on one ship |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16815
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Posted - 2015.10.16 19:34:01 -
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If you chase the FOTM overpowered ship you should expect the sting when it gets nerfed.
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Garrett Osinov
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.16 19:43:27 -
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baltec1 wrote:If you chase the FOTM overpowered ship you should expect the sting when it gets nerfed.
Gila was in its current state for many years so is Orthurus. Just purchased a character with few mills SP invested in Gila. So I guess it is a good idea to have an option of SP reimbursment. |
Amber Starview
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2015.10.16 19:49:43 -
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No you should not be reimbursed for your decision to train something that is now not OP .....
/this has to be a troll |
Anise Tig'res
Duchy Ministry of Slave Affairs
37
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Posted - 2015.10.16 19:56:01 -
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Garrett Osinov wrote:baltec1 wrote:If you chase the FOTM overpowered ship you should expect the sting when it gets nerfed. Gila was in its current state for many years so is Orthurus. Just purchased a character with few mills SP invested in Gila. So I guess it is a good idea to have an option of SP reimbursment.
No. This has been proposed hundreds of times. No, you're not getting it. You're simply wasting forum space. |
Mag's
the united
20507
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Posted - 2015.10.16 20:00:03 -
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If CCP introduce their ridiculous SP packets idea. Then your selfish, self entitled attitude will be satisfied and you'll be able to respec those skills used in a once OP ship and move them to another OP ship.
FOTM at a whim is born. Nice.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2338
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Posted - 2015.10.16 20:07:52 -
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Mag's wrote:If CCP introduce their ridiculous SP packets idea. Then your selfish, self entitled attitude will be satisfied and you'll be able to respec those skills used in a once OP ship and move them to another OP ship.
FOTM at a whim is born. Nice.
If anything tho, it might make CCP more aware of what is getting ridiculous FOTM treatment by checking what a mass of player re-spec to and the FOTM might last for less time. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16816
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Posted - 2015.10.16 20:12:03 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Mag's wrote:If CCP introduce their ridiculous SP packets idea. Then your selfish, self entitled attitude will be satisfied and you'll be able to respec those skills used in a once OP ship and move them to another OP ship.
FOTM at a whim is born. Nice. If anything tho, it might make CCP more aware of what is getting ridiculous FOTM treatment by checking what a mass of player re-spec to and the FOTM might last for less time.
Now what have we wold you about the optimism?
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2338
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Posted - 2015.10.16 20:25:11 -
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baltec1 wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Mag's wrote:If CCP introduce their ridiculous SP packets idea. Then your selfish, self entitled attitude will be satisfied and you'll be able to respec those skills used in a once OP ship and move them to another OP ship.
FOTM at a whim is born. Nice. If anything tho, it might make CCP more aware of what is getting ridiculous FOTM treatment by checking what a mass of player re-spec to and the FOTM might last for less time. Now what have we wold you about the optimism?
It's a possibility. I'm not saying it will happen. Just a potential side effect if the change is indeed implemented. |
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Garrett Osinov
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.16 20:43:18 -
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It is very simple, CCP can write a simple script, if something gets nerfed, then all related skill points can be reset. Done, sorted. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2600
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Posted - 2015.10.16 20:54:41 -
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Except all those SP also apply to a bunch of other things that aren't nerfed. So no, hell no. If something got Nerfed it's because it was crazy OP and is now closer to balanced.
Most of the stuff getting nerfed is still going to be very powerful. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.10.16 20:56:09 -
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The Gila is not any less useful than it was before, it is simply no longer as powerful.
Your tears are glorious.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Ncc 1709
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Phoenix Company Alliance
217
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Posted - 2015.10.16 21:55:44 -
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if ccp were to rebait every sp on any nerfed ship, they owe me over 100m skill points...
stuff gets nerfed, other stuff gets buffed... next time ccp buff a ship, you want them to give you lvl 5 skills in it? |
Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
2790
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Posted - 2015.10.16 22:03:40 -
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I have so many of this skills maxed. If I got sp for every nerf, I'd still have some left over and nothing to do with it. |
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3922
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Posted - 2015.10.16 22:08:50 -
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Define related skillpoints.
Every single shield tanking, cruiser, fitting, drone, navigation, targeting and missile skill in the case of the gila? |
Garrett Osinov
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.16 23:16:29 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Define related skillpoints.
Every single shield tanking, cruiser, fitting, drone, navigation, targeting and missile skill in the case of the gila?
It is very simple, yes all those skill points. And then you reaply then where you want them to be. It's like when skill gets removed from them game, you get those trained SP back. Same here. Nothing new. |
Joe Risalo
State War Academy Caldari State
952
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Posted - 2015.10.16 23:28:05 -
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Soo, you trained into a ship because it was OP, and now that it's balanced, you don't want the ship?
Hmm... Sounds like the problem is you.. |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
582
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Posted - 2015.10.16 23:52:09 -
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Simply for the record. NO. You trained them, you are stuck with them. |
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3922
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Posted - 2015.10.16 23:55:07 -
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Garrett Osinov wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Define related skillpoints.
Every single shield tanking, cruiser, fitting, drone, navigation, targeting and missile skill in the case of the gila? It is very simple, yes all those skill points. And then you reaply then where you want them to be. It's like when skill gets removed from them game, you get those trained SP back. Same here. Nothing new.
So every time any ship gets redone, you basically want all your SP refunded?
Why the hell do you think that's a good idea? |
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Garrett Osinov
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2015.10.17 00:01:31 -
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Joe Risalo wrote:Soo, you trained into a ship because it was OP, and now that it's balanced, you don't want the ship?
Hmm... Sounds like the problem is you..
My point is that it is a fault of CCP, that they made the ship with incorrect stats. It was on test server, it was moved to the main server. Now new dev comes in and says it is overpowerd bla bla bla. This is wrong.
Too many ships god killed in the past because of this.
Imagine real life, you buy a car, drive it for half a year, then manufacture comes and says, oy, your mercedes is too good, have a bad one instead. That is what CCP doing now with Gila and Orthurus.
That what was done to Ishtar not long ago... |
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
603
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Posted - 2015.10.17 00:30:44 -
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Garrett Osinov wrote:
We all know it takes a while to master a ship.
Sorry but what's that - "to master a ship"? |
Joe Risalo
State War Academy Caldari State
953
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Posted - 2015.10.17 00:52:55 -
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Garrett Osinov wrote:Joe Risalo wrote:Soo, you trained into a ship because it was OP, and now that it's balanced, you don't want the ship?
Hmm... Sounds like the problem is you.. My point is that it is a fault of CCP, that they made the ship with incorrect stats. It was on test server, it was moved to the main server. Now new dev comes in and says it is overpowerd bla bla bla. This is wrong. Too many ships god killed in the past because of this. Imagine real life, you buy a car, drive it for half a year, then manufacture comes and says, oy, your mercedes is too good, have a bad one instead. That is what CCP doing now with Gila and Orthurus. That what was done to Ishtar not long ago...
Yes, but much like the Ishtar, many people were well aware that these ships were OP...
In truth, your analogy is a bit off.
A better analogy would be like saying that Mercedes recalled their cars because they had been streamlined like a bullet, but it cause a wake that blew other cars off the road, and the only way for them not to be blown away is to buy the very same car. Not a problem for the person in the Mercedes, but a bit of an issue for everyone else.
Now, I will say that I'm not much of a PVP'er, so I wasn't aware that the Gila was that powerful. However, I was somewhat aware of the worm, and fully aware of the Orthrus and Garmur.
That being said, I don't believe CCP should have to refund SP. Even if you weren't aware, the ship still exists and is still fully capable of what is was doing, just not at the extreme extent to which they are now. If they were to be doing something like changing the Gila from a drone boat to a pure missile boat, I could understand being upset. Or changing the Orthrus from a kite boat to a heavy tank.
That being said, they may not be AS good as they were, but they will still be fully capable.
They just won't be an "I win" button anymore. |
Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC Bad Intention
4467
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Posted - 2015.10.17 01:02:44 -
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Grrr.
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Zimmer Jones
Aliastra Gallente Federation
307
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Posted - 2015.10.17 01:53:17 -
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Hmm, almost it seems that op is unaware that the skills maxxed for the gila are useful elsewhere? Just look forward to mastering another ship before its time comes and it has to limp off to the sidelines.
Eventually your old skills will come into fashion again, and you'll be able to stand proud with the circle of other FOTM'ers done their mastering.
Hm. That actually sounds kinda nasty.
You are content to be content. This is not a jedi mind trick, you're just the game
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
8795
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Posted - 2015.10.17 02:17:21 -
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When Titans were nerfed... no one was reimbursed.
When Supercarriers were nerfed... no one was reimbursed.
When Drednoughts were nerfed... no one was reimbursed.
When research chips (used for BPO research) had multiple points of sourcing introduced (nerfing the income of researchers)... no one was reimbursed.
When loot tables were altered (nerfing the income of mission running)... no one was reimbursed.
When salvaging tables were altered (nerfin the income of salvaging)... no one was reimbursed.
When Tech 3 destroyers were introduced (obsoleting most Assault Frigates)... no one was reimbursed.
When Tech 3 ships were slightly nerfed... no one was reimbursed.
Each time SOV was changed up (causing all the money invested in a system to become pointless)... no one was reimbursed.
The list goes on and on and on.
Just because you chase after something or attain a level of "mastery," it doesn't mean that it will stay that way forever.
How did you Veterans start?
The Skillpoint System and You
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Minty Aroma
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2015.10.17 02:18:05 -
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FOTM cycles anyway so those SP will be very useful in the future.
A few years ago I invested a lot of SP into BCs, as they were fun, strong and relatively cheap. Of course for a few years BCs have been utter crap as cruisers got too much of a buff to the point that BCs were made redundant. But since the last patch BCs are once again useful and I'm getting use back into my old skills. Same will happen to just about any other ship. |
Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
702
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Posted - 2015.10.17 03:20:51 -
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Has the Gila been nerfed specifically or is he still talking about the DDA nerf?
Hard ship to master, lol. Fit RLML, massive shield buffer, and some augmented medium drones > unleash utterly brakeless **** train. |
Joe Risalo
State War Academy Caldari State
953
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Posted - 2015.10.17 03:24:28 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Has the Gila been nerfed specifically or is he still talking about the DDA nerf?
Hard ship to master, lol. Fit RLML, massive shield buffer, and some augmented medium drones > unleash utterly brakeless **** train.
Gila was needed 1 low slot and CPU or PG (can't remember) It's one of the stickies |
Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T
708
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Posted - 2015.10.17 03:46:41 -
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How about, no? You made a choice live with it.
You will only be reimbursed if its role is completely changed, the skill itself is changed or the ship is removed. Caldari, Gallente, Drones and Missiles are all good skills to have. So get over it. |
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