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Asveron Durr
Vandanian Order
11
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Posted - 2015.11.02 03:52:03 -
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Helia Tranquilis wrote:If you can't afford to pay, you don't deserve to play.
Hmph, your crass little wench......
I have a friend that we still talk to each other on teamspeak from time to time..... He has a daughter, a disabled wife that requires his full time attention these days. They live on a fixed income as he is requried to stay at home. He uses games for entertainment, but has limited play time. As PLEX prices rose exponentially over the past 3 or so years it became increasingly difficult for him to plex his account A single acount, a single main character that was the only one that recieved training. He loves EvE, but he can no longer play.....because of his limited time he is unable to grind the high cost of plexing. I feel he derserves to be able to play, but he is also a person that refuses handouts, and is a full on Combat PvP'r.
If you like you can look him up, Wolf Kruol, check his killboard or what not. Others that know him I am sure could attest how great a guy he is.
I am sure there are many players in similiar situations or not exact to Wolf's nature have quit playing from no fault of their own, simply they can no longer PLEX, as in earn their way to continue playing.
So maybe show some empathy, that or STFU because your a really lame person.
Anybody like Wolf that is still playing, if your close to quitting also....send me an in game mail, i might have some ideas that might help you keep afloat if what your doing now is not cutting it.
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Shade Alidiana
PROSPERO Corporation MinTek Conglomerate
100
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Posted - 2015.11.02 07:20:25 -
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MR DEMOS wrote:After doing a little research in it's simpelist form "PLEX" is basically a gift card for EVE. I have read alot of the comments on here about doing time limits. I do agree with this in a sense but this does pose some legal problems if CCP was to inact this type of policy. I would point to Gift card regulations inacted in the USA around 2010. Basically this law was passed to protect gift card holders from unreasonable time limits. It pushed the inactivity to 5 years with annual fees in most cases. However it boils down to what the states do to regulate the Gift card program as well. Needless to say very complicated. In all Honesty i would push for a Fee to be paid by the plex holder if the plex is held for longer than one year. If the feee is not paid then thats CCP's call. Again legal implications would have to be looked at. On the other side why Plex has gone up so much is relatively easy to awnser. When you have more than one outlet in the alogrythem the price always goes up. So if the Skill points are added to this i can honestly see plex going to 2 bill at its highest point. Mixing Arum and Plex would do absolutly nothing to the price unless you could only purchase Arum with an external payment and not Plex, this would close one of those algorythem loops and force the price of PLEX down. Also CCP interjecting more PLEX into the market to help stabalize prices would help but not as much as one would think. It's like printing your own money. It might prop up some things for ahwile but in the end you would land in the same situation. I use to Plex very heavily back in the day but to be honest if i can't at least make my isk back in two weeks of game play off one toon i wont plex that toon at all. I consider it a waste. Eve is an international thing, and I'm not sure if applying US laws is completely reasonable. I'm not a lawyer, though. Also, not sure why you call it a gift card...
And a) you can already buy AUR directly, just people don't seem to do that, and b) if I was CCP I douldn't inject PLEX, ever. Not directly. Sales help, though... In general, we seem to mostly agree on the main points regarding PLEX. |
Waife
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2015.11.02 14:47:32 -
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Get off your ass and earn it.
People are always boasting about 100 million ISK per hour... sure.. okay. Even half that is doable.
So... let's review... less than an hour a day, which you're going to play anyway, and over the course of a month you can afford a PLEX... with time and ISK to spare...
O M G
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Lieu Thiesant
University of Caille Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2015.11.02 15:02:39 -
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Waife wrote:... So... let's review... less than an hour a day, which you're going to play anyway, and over the course of a month you can afford a PLEX... with time and ISK to spare... O M G Why should I feel like prevailing factors are omitted in your ISK calculation?
Is it to cover for it? |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2373
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Posted - 2015.11.02 15:18:33 -
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Asveron Durr wrote:Helia Tranquilis wrote:If you can't afford to pay, you don't deserve to play. Hmph, your crass little wench...... I have a friend that we still talk to each other on teamspeak from time to time..... He has a daughter, a disabled wife that requires his full time attention these days. They live on a fixed income as he is requried to stay at home. He uses games for entertainment, but has limited play time. As PLEX prices rose exponentially over the past 3 or so years it became increasingly difficult for him to plex his account A single acount, a single main character that was the only one that recieved training. He loves EvE, but he can no longer play.....because of his limited time he is unable to grind the high cost of plexing. I feel he derserves to be able to play, but he is also a person that refuses handouts, and is a full on Combat PvP'r. If you like you can look him up, Wolf Kruol, check his killboard or what not. Others that know him I am sure could attest how great a guy he is. I am sure there are many players in similiar situations or not exact to Wolf's nature have quit playing from no fault of their own, simply they can no longer PLEX, as in earn their way to continue playing. So maybe show some empathy, that or STFU because your a really lame person. Anybody like Wolf that is still playing, if your close to quitting also....send me an in game mail, i might have some ideas that might help you keep afloat if what your doing now is not cutting it.
It's not about empathy it's about people having the hobby they can afford, either in time or money. If your friend can't grind a PLEX per month and does not have the RL income to sub to the game, then he should not choose EVE as his hobby. |
embrel
BamBam Inc.
256
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Posted - 2015.11.02 15:26:28 -
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Asveron Durr wrote:Helia Tranquilis wrote:If you can't afford to pay, you don't deserve to play. Hmph, your crass little wench...... I have a friend that we still talk to each other on teamspeak from time to time..... He has a daughter, a disabled wife that requires his full time attention these days. They live on a fixed income as he is requried to stay at home. He uses games for entertainment, but has limited play time. As PLEX prices rose exponentially over the past 3 or so years it became increasingly difficult for him to plex his account A single acount, a single main character that was the only one that recieved training. He loves EvE, but he can no longer play.....because of his limited time he is unable to grind the high cost of plexing. I feel he derserves to be able to play, but he is also a person that refuses handouts, and is a full on Combat PvP'r. If you like you can look him up, Wolf Kruol, check his killboard or what not. Others that know him I am sure could attest how great a guy he is. I am sure there are many players in similiar situations or not exact to Wolf's nature have quit playing from no fault of their own, simply they can no longer PLEX, as in earn their way to continue playing. So maybe show some empathy, that or STFU because your a really lame person. Anybody like Wolf that is still playing, if your close to quitting also....send me an in game mail, i might have some ideas that might help you keep afloat if what your doing now is not cutting it. I feel that each and everyone should be able to live in a huge villa with a beautiful beachfront, everyone should have first-class healthcare, his/her own driver/gardener/cook and a different blonde in his/her bed everyday if one is so inclined
alas, it shall not be, which is a pity.
We all deserve many things, unfortunately they need to be earned nowadays. |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12860
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Posted - 2015.11.02 15:30:25 -
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Asveron Durr wrote:Helia Tranquilis wrote:If you can't afford to pay, you don't deserve to play. Hmph, your crass little wench...... I have a friend that we still talk to each other on teamspeak from time to time..... He has a daughter, a disabled wife that requires his full time attention these days. They live on a fixed income as he is requried to stay at home. He uses games for entertainment, but has limited play time. As PLEX prices rose exponentially over the past 3 or so years it became increasingly difficult for him to plex his account A single acount, a single main character that was the only one that recieved training. He loves EvE, but he can no longer play.....because of his limited time he is unable to grind the high cost of plexing. I feel he derserves to be able to play, but he is also a person that refuses handouts, and is a full on Combat PvP'r. If you like you can look him up, Wolf Kruol, check his killboard or what not. Others that know him I am sure could attest how great a guy he is. I am sure there are many players in similiar situations or not exact to Wolf's nature have quit playing from no fault of their own, simply they can no longer PLEX, as in earn their way to continue playing. So maybe show some empathy, that or STFU because your a really lame person. Anybody like Wolf that is still playing, if your close to quitting also....send me an in game mail, i might have some ideas that might help you keep afloat if what your doing now is not cutting it.
I'm sorry for your friend, but there is no such thing as a "right to play EVE". If his situation is so dire that he can't spare 50 cents (USD) per day on entertainment, then he shouldn't be worried about any of that, but rather concentrating on his real life responsibilities.
All at once I'm glad we have PLEX (it's nice to see my ingame activities translate into something 'tangible' like game time), but at the same time I hate the sense of entitlement PLEX creates. It makes the game seem 'free' and when people get it in their heads that that have been playing a game for 'free', 15 bucks seems like a whole lot of money. It's not.
The problem here isn't the price of PLEX, it's the perceptions of people who came to depend on it when they shouldn't have.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2375
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Posted - 2015.11.02 15:35:27 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
I'm sorry for your friend, but there is no such thing as a "right to play EVE".
Rest of the post is pretty much perfect but this part is kinda wrong. There is a "right to play EVE". It's granted by having a subscribed account. It's just not granted by default. You have to earn it one way or another. |
ISK IRON BANK
I Want ISK Corp
46
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Posted - 2015.11.02 15:50:08 -
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Radical idea - Pay for the game? |
Waife
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2015.11.03 02:38:13 -
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Lieu Thiesant wrote: Why should I feel like prevailing factors are omitted in your ISK calculation?
Is it to cover for it?
Might it have something to do with your own inability to grasp just how easy it is to make bank in this game, every damn day ?
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Nate Hill
Rocket No. 9
45
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Posted - 2015.11.03 04:49:40 -
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You should count blessings. It takes 7 billion on Serenity. |
Lieu Thiesant
University of Caille Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2015.11.03 05:47:36 -
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Waife wrote:Lieu Thiesant wrote: Why should I feel like prevailing factors are omitted in your ISK calculation?
Is it to cover for it?
Might it have something to do with your own inability to grasp just how easy it is to make bank in this game, every damn day ? What about my ability to transfer the skills required in this game into real life? Do you also interpret it as an inability to grasp just how easy it is to make bank in this game, every damn day? What part is the amounts omitted if over $3,000 and why should days be damned? Granted, it's not hard to damn days, even the worst can do that. What do you consider easy and do you have tangible numbers to correlate to which ratio?
It's easier to be at the front line sometimes.? |
Kaelynne Rose
WTB Somalians
52
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Posted - 2015.11.19 06:48:58 -
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They are over 1.2 Bill even with current Amazon sales
When ccp announces F2P at Fanfest 2p16 Plex gonna crash hard though. Sell before then like around feb |
Jadon Wallace
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2015.11.19 06:58:33 -
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Kaelynne Rose wrote:They are over 1.2 Bill even with current Amazon sales
When ccp announces F2P at Fanfest 2p16 Plex gonna crash hard though. Sell before then like around feb
You really see EVE going free to play? |
Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2381
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Posted - 2015.11.19 07:05:48 -
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ISK IRON BANK wrote:Radical idea - Pay for the game?
If enough people did that, PLEX would also become cheaper |
Kharaxus
Ninja Pixels
90
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Posted - 2015.11.19 16:09:27 -
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Shade Alidiana wrote:I have some friends that don't resub because PLEX prices went insane. They might come back.
My first reaction is there are too many workarounds in Eve, in the event this happens.
It's not real estate. If you unsub, no more POS or unprotected assets = room for somebody else to grow (make your assets safe before unsubbing).
My apologies if somebody else has already provided a similar response. |
Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
228
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Posted - 2015.11.19 20:26:12 -
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Shade Alidiana wrote: Yet another thing. For people that want to buy isk for $, PLEX isn't the best option. Maybe not even a good one.
It's the only option for newer players.
You may make more by buying skins and selling them, but you have to sell them.
There's more of a market for PLEX so for most people it remains the best option.
PLEX prices are likely to stay high and so will sp packets. |
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