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Zsha
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2015.10.20 08:54:20 -
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Hi, I'm fairly new to the game and I have spent some serious time messing around in EFT with the Dragoon. I really want to use this ship as my main ship, learn it's engagement profile and practice PvPing in it. I have heard though.... this ship is not the best solo ship.
The thing is.............. how is this ship flown??? I personally don't want an AB on this thing, since it lacks the third slot for a web and would prefer the MWD for better mobility and more options (also the AB is way to bloody slow with this ship)
I have seen people using this ship as a 1 trick pony in plexes with no prop mod and Scram+Web, I'd prefer the Microwarpdrive.
Soooooooo....Is this thing best flown MWD+Scram and brawl down people with drones and neuts?
OR
Is it flown MWD+Disruptor and try kite **** untill it gets too close then neut off and continue kiting, kind of like a mini-curse or something?
Right now I am training my int/memory so the fits I've theory'ed up are just full rack of neuts/Nos fits, I have 2, here they are.
One with MWD + Disruptor
[Dragoon, Point 1] Damage Control II Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Warp Disruptor II 5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction E5 Prototype Energy Vampire
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I Small Egress Port Maximizer I Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Acolyte II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5 Nanite Repair Paste x30
Or
[Dragoon, Point 2] Damage Control II Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste Capacitor Power Relay II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Warp Disruptor II 5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction E5 Prototype Energy Vampire E5 Prototype Energy Vampire
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Small Processor Overclocking Unit I Small Egress Port Maximizer I
Acolyte II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5 Nanite Repair Paste x30
Or
[Dragoon, Scram] Damage Control II Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I 5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction E5 Prototype Energy Vampire
Small Egress Port Maximizer I Small Processor Overclocking Unit I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Acolyte II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5 Nanite Repair Paste x30
Am I right in saying the dragoon is waaaay too slow to even bother fitting a disruptor on and flying this way?
My idea with flying this ship is practice for flying a curse and I'd like to roll flying amarr EWAR ****, neuts etc..
When I eventually train up my laser skills I have made these fits. 2 with scram and 1 with point.
[Dragoon, guns+point] Damage Control II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Warp Disruptor II 5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5 Acolyte II x5 Imperial Navy Multifrequency S x3 Conflagration S x3 Scorch S x3 Nanite Repair Paste x30
OR
[Dragoon, 4] Damage Control II Overdrive Injector System II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I 5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I Small Processor Overclocking Unit I Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Warrior II x5 Acolyte II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Imperial Navy Multifrequency S x3 Conflagration S x3 Scorch S x3 Nanite Repair Paste x30
OR
[Dragoon, 5] Damage Control II Capacitor Power Relay II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I 5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I Small Drone Scope Chip II Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5 Acolyte II x5 Imperial Navy Multifrequency S x3 Conflagration S x3 Scorch S x3 Nanite Repair Paste x30
I'm baffled.
MWD and Scram?
Or
MWD and point?
Thanks Zsha :)
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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
1285
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Posted - 2015.10.20 10:38:47 -
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It would be a good call to brick it up (lots of buffer tank) and try to warp onto small plexes that have targets you can take (meaning amarr/caldari/gallente boats that don't use missiles, so their guns shut down), avoid obvious kiting ships like condors and slicers, and then go for a direct murder attempt on the plex beacon at 0m. That atleast, if you want to go for FW space.
Would stick with 2-3 neuts only and no nos(partialy cause NOS is good for extended fights that usually tend to happen when you fly AB stuff), your capacitor is not an issue like your armor buffer is. A decent dragoon should have a roughly 10-11k ehp tank, that's twice a frig's, while also putting out 200-250dps.
[Dragoon, meta]
400mm Crystalline Carbonide Restrained Plates Damage Control II 'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating I Drone Damage Amplifier II
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Small 'Gremlin' Power Core Disruptor I Small 'Gremlin' Power Core Disruptor I Small 'Gremlin' Power Core Disruptor I 'Malkuth' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket 'Malkuth' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket 'Malkuth' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket
Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Acolyte II x5
This should do with newbro skills. |
Bastion Arzi
Angry Mustellid Decayed Orbit
262
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Posted - 2015.10.20 11:19:30 -
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It's too slow to kite. I think in general better to brick tank it and let them come to u. Also seeing as is not bonuses for missiles u could stick auto cannons on it to save pg and CPU for a bigger plate or whatever. Ur drones have range and u have spares so use those to engage at range if the enemy tries to kite. |
erg cz
Aligned Fleet CZ-SK
346
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Posted - 2015.10.20 12:02:27 -
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[quote=Zsha]
The thing is.............. how is this ship flown???
/quote]
Join amarr FW corp like Terpene Conglomerate and they will teach you how to fly their usual brawlers
[Dragoon, Terpene Conglomerate's Dragoon] 'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating I 400mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates Damage Control II Drone Damage Amplifier II
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
150mm Light AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S 150mm Light AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S 150mm Light AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S Rocket Launcher II,Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket Rocket Launcher II,Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket Rocket Launcher II,Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket
Small Trimark Armor Pump I Small Trimark Armor Pump I Small Trimark Armor Pump I
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Bastion Arzi
Angry Mustellid Decayed Orbit
262
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Posted - 2015.10.20 12:08:07 -
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What no neuts? |
Hochopepa
POS Consultants Group LLC
11
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Posted - 2015.10.20 14:06:28 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:What no neuts?
By and large, when you jump a frig with a destro, you don't need neuts. The fight just isn't going to last that long.
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Bastion Arzi
Angry Mustellid Decayed Orbit
262
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Posted - 2015.10.20 14:12:08 -
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In which case there are other ships which would be better no? |
Hochopepa
POS Consultants Group LLC
11
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Posted - 2015.10.20 16:09:18 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:In which case there are other ships which would be better no?
And how the **** do u jump a frig in a dragoon?
Just catch them on landing or catch them not paying attention or be faster.
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Bastion Arzi
Angry Mustellid Decayed Orbit
265
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Posted - 2015.10.20 16:48:56 -
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ok i stand corrected there are dragoons faster than frigs these days, geeze im so newb |
Zsha
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2015.10.20 18:26:11 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:ok i stand corrected there are dragoons faster than frigs these days, geeze im so newb
Possible to fit a dragoon to go 2000 m/s unheated with genos implants, 5% CPU and Zor's (without links/snakes/drugs)
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
834
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Posted - 2015.10.20 20:31:03 -
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You could hull tank it. More DPS, EHP drops to around 8k.
[Dragoon, hull tank]
Damage Control II Co-Processor II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Rocket Launcher II, Nova Rage Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Nova Rage Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Nova Rage Rocket 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
Small Transverse Bulkhead I Small Transverse Bulkhead I Small Transverse Bulkhead I
Hobgoblin II x5 |
Bastion Arzi
Angry Mustellid Decayed Orbit
265
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Posted - 2015.10.20 21:20:52 -
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Zsha wrote:Bastion Arzi wrote:ok i stand corrected there are dragoons faster than frigs these days, geeze im so newb Possible to fit a dragoon to go 2000 m/s unheated with genos implants, 5% CPU and Zor's (without links/snakes/drugs)
so? that dragoon cant catch what i dare say is a large proprotion of the frigs available (if they have mwd) without zors or any other speed modifiers
and how much tank and dps does the superfast dragoon have? |
Zsha
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2015.10.22 06:18:04 -
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I don't know man I'm posting because I wanted help with this ship, nevermind. |
W0lf Crendraven
Welfcorp
385
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Posted - 2015.10.22 06:30:06 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7tViLumBHU |
Zsha
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2015.10.22 07:17:42 -
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Cheers Wolf, you think dragoon is more powerful using MWD + Point and flying kite or useing MWD+Scram and flying brawl?
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Bastion Arzi
Angry Mustellid Decayed Orbit
267
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Posted - 2015.10.22 09:31:07 -
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newbro, u should use ab if ur going to brawl and in which case u may want to consider a point instead of a scram.
mwd + scram is generally used for tackler ships.
and as i mentioned before the dragoon is not fast. |
Ares Desideratus
Minmatar Brotherhood Ushra'Khan
284
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Posted - 2015.10.22 13:44:24 -
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If you get amarr destroyer to level 5 your neutralizers can easily hit to 12km. It's 12.1km for 5W power system malfunctions. Small unstable power fluctuators are more expensive but they have a 12.6km range and drain the most cap, and they also overheat longer than T2.
When you consider the range of your neuts, the fact that your drones can hit at almost any range and you have access to other long range weapon systems, it does not really make sense for you to get any closer than 10km from a target in this ship. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
8843
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Posted - 2015.10.22 16:08:28 -
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I refuse to take you seriously after your batshit rant about the lack of the Dragoon skin.
Also, clean that **** off your face, please.
Good luck o7
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Zsha
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2015.10.22 17:33:33 -
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That's not very nice. |
W0lf Crendraven
Welfcorp
385
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Posted - 2015.10.22 17:49:43 -
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I would fit it with lmls, ddas, mwd + long point while using the spare highs for neuts, you dont try to neut someone but as shown in that video using them as anti tackle works very well.
You can fit a tpyical mwd + brawling setup but i see no reason not to use an algos then tbh. Although, if i would brawl in it i would make sure to have at least 2 neuts, the neuts are your tackle so to speak.
Edit: I wouldnt fly a dragoon in general however, algos is better all around and t3ds still are a thing |
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
8850
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Posted - 2015.10.22 21:13:41 -
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Zsha wrote:That's not very nice.
Neither was this thread. You owe me for the damage to my mind, my spirit, and my humanity.
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CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
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Zsha
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2015.10.23 06:46:08 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Zsha wrote:That's not very nice. Neither was this thread. You owe me for the damage to my mind, my spirit, and my humanity.
My intent with that thread was to deliver e-punches to peoples heads. *Laughing out loud* =D |
Zsha
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2015.10.23 07:12:27 -
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Bumblefck can you mentor me in-game please. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
8851
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Posted - 2015.10.23 17:52:15 -
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Certainly :) Convo me at your earliest convenience and I will endeavour to help.
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CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
4225
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Posted - 2015.10.23 21:27:14 -
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Soloing in neut-bonused ships is not very effective because everybody knows exactly what you'll try to do.
Example dragoon: people will engage only if they can kite you.
Example sentinel: no-one will engage unless they can counter you (e.g. overwhelming short range dps, missiles, damps, etc...)
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W0lf Crendraven
Welfcorp
386
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Posted - 2015.10.23 22:08:13 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Soloing in neut-bonused ships is not very effective because everybody knows exactly what you'll try to do.
Example dragoon: people will engage only if they can kite you.
Example sentinel: no-one will engage unless they can counter you (e.g. overwhelming short range dps, missiles, damps, etc...)
Yeah, pretty much this. You dont engage when you think you have 0 chance of getting a kill. You can fight gangs or very much above your weight and the dragoon doesnt do it too well. You will get more fights in an algos, even if it is straight up the better ship. |
Zsha
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2015.10.24 14:39:41 -
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Alright thanks for input, alot of it has been helpful |
Zsha
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2015.10.24 14:43:17 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Certainly :) Convo me at your earliest convenience and I will endeavour to help. :)
Alright nice, thanks :D
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Bastion Arzi
Angry Mustellid Decayed Orbit
278
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Posted - 2015.10.26 15:33:59 -
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i see you lost the microwarpdriving, scrambling dragoon yesterday. do you believe us now?
once again in the dragoon let them come to u.
the mwd u have fit with no cap booster is literally killing u.
also i dont think its sensible to have a repper, and an mwd and no cap booster.
take off the repper and change mwd to ab if ur going scrambler.
if u want to use mwd then use a disruptor not a scram.
you are not fast tackle because u are not fast compared to other ships.
im trying to help u.
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Bastion Arzi
Angry Mustellid Decayed Orbit
279
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Posted - 2015.10.26 16:20:21 -
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looking closer at the km.
did u get caught on gate by an instalock proteus?
thres even a nyx involved |
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