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cooldht Andedare
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.20 20:30:29 -
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This seems like an easy question, but haven't seen the exact answer through searching. I noticed that in the loyalty point store, it would say that the LP cost is something like 750, while the ISK cost is something like 500,000. Does that mean that if I pay 750 LP the item is mine, or if I pay 500,00 ISK the item is mine, or I have to pay 750 LP AND 500,000 ISK for the item to be mine? If it's the first one, is 500,000 the estimated value I might receive for the item if I sell it after I purchase it for LP?
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
472
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Posted - 2015.10.20 20:32:26 -
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Everything shown in the LP store is what the item costs. Most items cost either LP and Isk OR LP and Isk and tags OR just an Item. Everything listed as cost and/or required items nest to it is what it costs.
Sometimes the item requires a base modules that it effectively 'upgrades (SOE probe launchers or navy ships for example)
An implant for example, say a Cybernetic Subprocessor - Basic, will cost you 5 250 LP AND 5 250 000 ISK.
The LP store is what is called an 'ISK sink' |
cooldht Andedare
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.20 20:49:57 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:Everything shown in the LP store is what the item costs. Most items cost either LP and Isk OR LP and Isk and tags OR just an Item. Everything listed as cost and/or required items nest to it is what it costs.
Sometimes the item requires a base modules that it effectively 'upgrades (SOE probe launchers or navy ships for example)
An implant for example, say a Cybernetic Subprocessor - Basic, will cost you 5 250 LP AND 5 250 000 ISK.
The LP store is what is called an 'ISK sink'
Dang, that's what I was afraid of. I assume this means that usually the items would go for more ISK on the market, but I'll play around with that. Just hearing that info, it seems like there might not be much use to the LP for me anyway. |
Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
472
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Posted - 2015.10.20 21:24:09 -
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cooldht Andedare wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:Everything shown in the LP store is what the item costs. Most items cost either LP and Isk OR LP and Isk and tags OR just an Item. Everything listed as cost and/or required items nest to it is what it costs.
Sometimes the item requires a base modules that it effectively 'upgrades (SOE probe launchers or navy ships for example)
An implant for example, say a Cybernetic Subprocessor - Basic, will cost you 5 250 LP AND 5 250 000 ISK.
The LP store is what is called an 'ISK sink' Dang, that's what I was afraid of. I assume this means that usually the items would go for more ISK on the market, but I'll play around with that. Just hearing that info, it seems like there might not be much use to the LP for me anyway. Depends on the store. navy stores are generally pretty bad. Some others you can get 1700isk/lp or more. look at all the LP stores. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.10.20 22:34:21 -
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There are some tools that give you an eye on what to look for.
Use these tools with caution as some" good deals" may be scams (margin trading scam usually) and sometimes these tools are just out of date or wrong. In the end always go to the ingame market and check current real pricing before spending the LP.
https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/lpstore/
http://www.evedata.org/iskPerLP.cgi |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1931
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Posted - 2015.10.20 22:54:36 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:There are some tools that give you an eye on what to look for. Use these tools with caution as some" good deals" may be scams (margin trading scam usually) and sometimes these tools are just out of date or wrong. In the end always go to the ingame market and check current real pricing before spending the LP. https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/lpstore/ http://www.evedata.org/iskPerLP.cgi which is why it is good to look at the 5% value on fuzzwork. if it is 1 then the item trades <20 a day, so it could take you a long time to sell. and also check the buy prices. I usually check the sell prices and use those figures as I have an alt with trade skills that can sell them for a good price. but for some items there is one item on the market and the calculator will show 4000 isk/lp but the reality is no one will buy it. Important to look to see what the buy orders are, if you look and see the buy orders value is 200, use caution. A wide spread there usually indicates the item isn't worth it.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
669
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Posted - 2015.10.22 03:54:00 -
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Anize Oramara wrote: Depends on the store. navy stores are generally pretty bad. Some others you can get 1700isk/lp or more. look at all the LP stores.
A of 22 October turn of the day, there isn't a single item on the Empire LP store that has a sell order with 1700/lp or more in any volume worth selling with the exception of Republic Fleet Gyros
Sell Orders for Sisters Probes have dropped to a hair over 1600/lp
The advice below, is sound.
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:There are some tools that give you an eye on what to look for. Use these tools with caution as some" good deals" may be scams (margin trading scam usually) and sometimes these tools are just out of date or wrong. In the end always go to the ingame market and check current real pricing before spending the LP. https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/lpstore/ http://www.evedata.org/iskPerLP.cgi which is why it is good to look at the 5% value on fuzzwork. if it is 1 then the item trades <20 a day, so it could take you a long time to sell. and also check the buy prices. I usually check the sell prices and use those figures as I have an alt with trade skills that can sell them for a good price. but for some items there is one item on the market and the calculator will show 4000 isk/lp but the reality is no one will buy it. Important to look to see what the buy orders are, if you look and see the buy orders value is 200, use caution. A wide spread there usually indicates the item isn't worth it.
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Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1937
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Posted - 2015.10.22 06:28:07 -
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the SOE lineup (probes, launchers, astero) is for the most part showing 1700+ to me, and the stratios is over 1900. seeing a decent number of alright trades in other corps too. that said you may be right on the volume bit, but 5% is rather tight on some items, you can move a lot of LP volume without disturbing the 5% volume much.
fed navy sensor boosters are at 4633.22, would I suggest going all in on them? no, but there are a number of other good trades in that same LP store (fed navy tracking comp, and fed navy web), and you can move things like fed navy sensor boosters, its over 2k on buy orders. Incursion runners and super cap pilots buy that stuff. that said they do only cost 54,000 LP, so it would be very easy to flood the market, and a lot of the value is in the form of the tags used to trade in these items.
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Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining Void..
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Posted - 2015.10.22 23:39:21 -
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Thukker is also a pretty good loyalty store. Either the nomad implants or thukker shield extenders. Going off memory here, so some things may have changed a bit |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1591
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Posted - 2015.10.23 03:34:35 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:the SOE lineup (probes, launchers, astero) is for the most part showing 1700+ to me, and the stratios is over 1900. s
Sold a Stratios at Amarr about an hour ago for 348 mill. That is well over 2000 ISK/LP. Must be all the crazy people blowing up ships chasing Blood Raider implants down Amarr way.
Note that I am currently totally out of Sisters LP and not going to be in game for a few days to get any more or I would NOT be advertising that fact in the forums :D |
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
669
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Posted - 2015.10.23 04:28:43 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:the SOE lineup (probes, launchers, astero) is for the most part showing 1700+ to me, and the stratios is over 1900. s Sold a Stratios at Amarr about an hour ago for 348 mill. That is well over 2000 ISK/LP. Must be all the crazy people blowing up ships chasing Blood Raider implants down Amarr way. Note that I am currently totally out of Sisters LP and not going to be in game for a few days to get any more or I would NOT be advertising that fact in the forums :D
You sold a Stratios for 348mil... That is pretty impressive. They are less than 280mil in Dodixie and Hek.
Anyways, I implore you to redo your math a second. You counting your minerals to build as "free"? Forget the 30mil needed to buy the bpc?
What you did was get lucky. You actually would have made 2250 or so isk per lp if your numbers were accurate.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1591
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Posted - 2015.10.23 06:05:25 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:the SOE lineup (probes, launchers, astero) is for the most part showing 1700+ to me, and the stratios is over 1900. s Sold a Stratios at Amarr about an hour ago for 348 mill. That is well over 2000 ISK/LP. Must be all the crazy people blowing up ships chasing Blood Raider implants down Amarr way. Note that I am currently totally out of Sisters LP and not going to be in game for a few days to get any more or I would NOT be advertising that fact in the forums :D You sold a Stratios for 348mil... That is pretty impressive. They are less than 280mil in Dodixie and Hek. Anyways, I implore you to redo your math a second. You counting your minerals to build as "free"? Forget the 30mil needed to buy the bpc? What you did was get lucky. You actually would have made 2250 or so isk per lp if your numbers were accurate.
Yeah 30 mill for the BPC plus about 12 mill for mats is 42 mill. Adding in manufacturing fees and the market fees you end up around the 50 mill mark for costs meaning I pulled close to 300 mill for 120K SOE LP.
Probably not just luck though --- Stratios prices were spiking at Amarr yesterday which is why i jumped there before logging off to sell. It seems to be continuing into the weekend as now Jita are following suit. I think its being driven by the Bloodraider thing.
Currently EVEMon shows theStratios at:
Ammar lowest sell: 385 mill (still buying at 252 mill) Jita lowest sell : 338 mill Jita buy: 280 mill ( 34 buy offers over 280 mill)
Even dumping them to Jita buy is returning very close to 2.0 ISK/LP
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Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
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Posted - 2015.10.24 16:07:45 -
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I just bought a Stratios in Jita for 257M, and the last few I bought were in the 250-260 range aswell. When I calculated the Isk/LP I recall the SoE ships were a far worse investment than the probes and launchers. Not even close to 2000 ISK/LP on any of them. |
Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
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Posted - 2015.10.24 16:29:09 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:I just bought a Stratios in Jita for 257M, and the last few I bought were in the 250-260 range aswell. When I calculated the Isk/LP I recall the SoE ships were a far worse investment than the probes and launchers. Not even close to 2000 ISK/LP on any of them.
Yeah pretty much.
So basically the guy sold a Stratios to a fool... which means he didn't make money from LP but rather from Market Scam.
It would actually be impossible for him to sell a stratios on the market at over 274mil because it would get buried down under the 280-300mil sell orders.
Buy price in Amarr at 1700 was 274mil.
Nice try though boys.
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
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Posted - 2015.10.24 16:56:25 -
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
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Posted - 2015.10.24 17:13:48 -
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Yeah actually logging in and looking at market prices... definitely eye roll worthy.
Go back up, read about 10 posts ago. You can get great LP/isk ratio but not consistently and not in quantity.
but yeah, doing this is a definite content filled rebuttal.
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
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Posted - 2015.10.24 17:34:49 -
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It's not a rebuttal, it's just an eye roll at how hard you're trying. |
Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
678
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Posted - 2015.10.24 17:54:44 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:It's not a rebuttal, it's just an eye roll at how hard you're trying.
Ok lol
Because I am the one using a one-time market glitch as the poster child for LP prices?
Do yourself a favor and run some maths on probes again. If it isn't null-sec pirate missions your LP values are dropping every day.
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
478
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Posted - 2015.10.24 18:01:01 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:It's not a rebuttal, it's just an eye roll at how hard you're trying. Ok lol Because I am the one using a one-time market glitch as the poster child for LP prices? No one is doing that. In fact, it's made quite clear that the only reason for the high LP ratio currently is because of the Blood event.
Look, maybe you just need to let it go. This can't be healthy for you. |
Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1942
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Posted - 2015.10.24 20:04:26 -
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prices go up, prices go down.
besides going from being happy at ~100mil/hour at 2000 isk/lp to making 100mil isk and 100k lp in an hour. I'm pretty okay with an LP drop.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
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Posted - 2015.10.26 04:47:20 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:It's not a rebuttal, it's just an eye roll at how hard you're trying. Ok lol Because I am the one using a one-time market glitch as the poster child for LP prices? No one is doing that. In fact, it's made quite clear that the only reason for the high LP ratio currently is because of the Blood event. Look, maybe you just need to let it go. This can't be healthy for you.
What does the blood event have to do with LP prices?
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
836
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Posted - 2015.10.26 20:47:58 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:It's not a rebuttal, it's just an eye roll at how hard you're trying. Ok lol Because I am the one using a one-time market glitch as the poster child for LP prices? Do yourself a favor and run some maths on probes again. If it isn't null-sec pirate missions your LP values are dropping every day.
It's not a glitch, anyone with a brain could have seen a spike in scanning equipment prices coming down the pipe once the Blood Harvest was announced. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
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Posted - 2015.10.26 21:42:39 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:What does the blood event have to do with LP prices?
It has a lot to do with prices of Stratioses if people are losing a lot of them. If the price of a Stratios goes up, that's likely to improve the LP-to-ISK conversion rate for that specific item.
Special event -> ship loss -> ship prices -> LP value.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
690
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Posted - 2015.10.26 21:48:10 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:It's not a rebuttal, it's just an eye roll at how hard you're trying. Ok lol Because I am the one using a one-time market glitch as the poster child for LP prices? Do yourself a favor and run some maths on probes again. If it isn't null-sec pirate missions your LP values are dropping every day. It's not a glitch, anyone with a brain could have seen a spike in scanning equipment prices coming down the pipe once the Blood Harvest was announced.
And that translates into long term basis for establishing game activity rates?!
It is a glitch, 2 November and they will continue their slide... if you even want to call that a spike to begin with (considering they are down 15% so far this year anyways)
CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.
40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
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Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1946
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Posted - 2015.10.27 00:15:06 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:It's not a rebuttal, it's just an eye roll at how hard you're trying. Ok lol Because I am the one using a one-time market glitch as the poster child for LP prices? Do yourself a favor and run some maths on probes again. If it isn't null-sec pirate missions your LP values are dropping every day. It's not a glitch, anyone with a brain could have seen a spike in scanning equipment prices coming down the pipe once the Blood Harvest was announced. Maybe not so much the scanning stuff specifically, but there are less people running missions, more people running around trying to get blood thingies. and when in dangerous space using something like an astero or stratios makes sense because they are reasonably combat effective and can cov-ops cloak.
Market McSelling Alt wrote:And that translates into long term basis for establishing game activity rates?!
It is a glitch, 2 November and they will continue their slide... if you even want to call that a spike to begin with (considering they are down 15% so far this year anyways) looking at the price history table in jita:
2014.10.27 00:00:00 82 86 267,367,378.94 ISK 274,999,999.00 ISK 272,556,540.47 ISK 2015.10.26 00:00:00 124 135 268,211,111.95 ISK 274,989,999.98 ISK 272,998,998.98 ISK
the only conclusion is that average prices and volume have gone up on stratios over the last year!!! I'm even posting my data, you are just saying prices are down 15%
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
692
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Posted - 2015.10.27 00:22:54 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
the only conclusion is that average prices and volume have gone up on stratios over the last year!!! I'm even posting my data, you are just saying prices are down 15%
I wasn't talking about the Stratios being up 15%, it has been pretty stable.
I was talking about the probes and launchers. Probes in particular went from 700k in January to around 600k recently, right now down to 450k
Sorry I should have been more specific, people keep changing measuring sticks as I respond to specific people.
CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
481
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Posted - 2015.10.27 02:11:29 -
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According to my spreadsheet probes at 440k is well over 1700 isk/lp, even taking into account probe cost and tax. It would make sense for most/all SOE items to have close to similar conversion rates.
Also, the reason for the high probe cost back in January is probably down to the SOE ships that released late the previous year. You could say it was a spike in price *cough*
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
837
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Posted - 2015.10.27 03:57:19 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:It's not a rebuttal, it's just an eye roll at how hard you're trying. Ok lol Because I am the one using a one-time market glitch as the poster child for LP prices? Do yourself a favor and run some maths on probes again. If it isn't null-sec pirate missions your LP values are dropping every day. It's not a glitch, anyone with a brain could have seen a spike in scanning equipment prices coming down the pipe once the Blood Harvest was announced. And that translates into long term basis for establishing game activity rates?! It is a glitch, 2 November and they will continue their slide... if you even want to call that a spike to begin with (considering they are down 15% so far this year anyways)
If I have learned anything about the market, speculation is key. For instance, new faction navy frigates are coming. I predict a rise in price for the Vigil and Maulus. |
Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1948
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Posted - 2015.10.27 04:07:09 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:If I have learned anything about the market, speculation is key. For instance, new faction navy frigates are coming. I predict a rise in price for the Vigil and Maulus. I'd guess most people would just get bpcs as they are much easier to haul. Although the completed ship offers do seem to be every so slightly more rewarding. IMO there just isn't much room for an upswing.
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Onotole Vassermanov
The Black Company G.C. Soviet-Union
36
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Posted - 2015.10.27 07:44:43 -
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http://lpstock.ru/ in russian, but easy to use. Give you count on "isk per LP" to allow you find the best value.
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