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Ruvin
Out of Sight.
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Posted - 2015.10.27 13:54:35 -
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GL then , i on the other hand expect the small and medium ones to be lucrative , going by quantity , probably reduced profits but a lot higher turn around .
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Mare Crisium Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
68
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Posted - 2015.10.27 13:58:27 -
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Yeah, the reason the XL needs to be in this kind of structure is that 700b is enough that you'll find a number of entities who (perhaps mistakenly) want to build one, but simply cannot reasonably sink 700b into a BPO.
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Mare Crisium Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
68
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Posted - 2015.10.27 14:13:13 -
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Aight, initial "here are my thoughts on how I'd run this" post is up. beat the **** out of it with holes kthx
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Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.10.27 14:32:49 -
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My plan was to offer a bond of 650b at 1.5%, with the BPO as collateral. Chribba, buying and holding it. I would cover the last 50b, and interest payments from my own pocket. Any profit or loss would be my gamble. This would be a long term bond of cause.
Alternative. The profits and cost are shared on share holders, with me taking 1% of the profit, for caretaking, providing the research char and so on.
IF you are going to do a new "T4U", I will not. Out of respect and not wanting to start in direct competition with some of my follow MDs, that I respect.
Issues I foresee. BPO location (you mentioned) Too many competitors for a limited market Chribba not wishing to take part
I would prefer option one, as there seems to be a lot of investor for LONG term bonds. Also due to it would give me a lot less admin work :)
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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
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Posted - 2015.10.27 14:46:04 -
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Angelica Everstar wrote:My plan was to offer a bond of 650b at 1.5%, with the BPO as collateral. Chribba, buying and holding it. I would cover the last 50b, and interest payments from my own pocket. Any profit or loss would be my gamble. That's the other approach. I just don't find fixed returns very exciting. |
Dethmourne Silvermane
Mare Crisium Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
68
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Posted - 2015.10.27 15:07:11 -
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Fixed returns are dead boring for a market where your return could swing wildly.
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Magnu Stormhawk
Stormhawk Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.10.27 15:45:57 -
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You still owe me 4 bil from the last time.
But meh, I'd probably be in again :P |
Dethmourne Silvermane
Mare Crisium Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
68
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Posted - 2015.10.27 16:03:08 -
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Magnu Stormhawk wrote:You still owe me 4 bil from the last time.
But meh, I'd probably be in again :P
Me? I thought I'd paid everybody out in full when I pawned off Dethmourne. My recordkeeping was not so great back then as I was trying to keep notes in-game, rather than using Google Docs like I do now.
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Angelica Everstar
290
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Posted - 2015.10.27 16:27:37 -
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Fixed returns are boring - but I hear some people like that
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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
1262
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Posted - 2015.10.27 17:06:58 -
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Angelica Everstar wrote:Fixed returns are boring - but I hear some people like that Yeah, I think you are right there. |
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Mare Crisium Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
68
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Posted - 2015.10.27 17:31:24 -
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My opposition to a fixed return is that I'm willing to manage something like this, but unwilling to take on the inherent risk of flop, which is why I'd be willing to run it for such a small cut of the pie.
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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
1263
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Posted - 2015.10.27 17:39:42 -
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Dethmourne Silvermane wrote:My opposition to a fixed return is that I'm willing to manage something like this, but unwilling to take on the inherent risk of flop, which is why I'd be willing to run it for such a small cut of the pie. Yeah, I certainly understand that. But I also understand that Angelica's formulation is much more likely to fill in today's MD.
Any numbers you care to put on XL Citadel BPO profitability are going to be guesses and 1.5% per month is not. |
Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
205
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Posted - 2015.10.27 17:56:09 -
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Terrible investment.
CCP wins. RIP 650 billion isk.
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Mare Crisium Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
68
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Posted - 2015.10.27 17:59:40 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:Dethmourne Silvermane wrote:My opposition to a fixed return is that I'm willing to manage something like this, but unwilling to take on the inherent risk of flop, which is why I'd be willing to run it for such a small cut of the pie. Yeah, I certainly understand that. But I also understand that Angelica's formulation is much more likely to fill in today's MD. Any numbers you care to put on XL Citadel BPO profitability are going to be guesses and 1.5% per month is not.
This is undeniably true. It basically all boils down to "who wants to go on the rollercoaster ride"
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Grendell
Technologies Unlimited Superior Eve Engineering
981
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Posted - 2015.10.27 18:48:59 -
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I had a feeling I'd see a thread like this after ccp mentioned the bpo price
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
3241
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Posted - 2015.10.27 19:04:02 -
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Cista2 wrote:Alexi Stokov wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:WOULD LIKE PLEDGE 20b Whatever happened to that guy? I believe he ran out of 20s.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium.
5438
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Posted - 2015.10.27 21:24:34 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:There is a big question though: location.
We can't expect Chribba to move a 700B BPO for us. If you handed a 700B BPO to me I would obviously moonwalk out of there with it. So we can't really move the BPO from where we buy it. Are any of the retail stations going to have copy facilities?
Does VV still do massive collateral courier contracts?
I'm sure that consortium members could pay mercenaries (from untraceable alts) to provide an escort, with the mercenaries not knowing what they were escorting. Moderately heavily invested consortium members might even be able to participate in such an escort.
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Derp Durrr
Arx One Arx Alliance
300
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Posted - 2015.10.27 23:36:24 -
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I guess this is the time to invest in gank ships and fittings seriously tho, at the price of an XL BPO, how many people are there who wouldn't have to call GG, game over after losing it?
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Vanaunge
Deep Space Whaling Crew
15
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Posted - 2015.10.27 23:48:12 -
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Ppl who have x10 that in isk and assests |
Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
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Posted - 2015.10.28 13:08:17 -
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Dethmourne Silvermane wrote:Magnu Stormhawk wrote:You still owe me 4 bil from the last time.
But meh, I'd probably be in again :P Me? I thought I'd paid everybody out in full when I pawned off Dethmourne. My recordkeeping was not so great back then as I was trying to keep notes in-game, rather than using Google Docs like I do now.
I'm pretty sure Magnu's posting was aimed at BB. Not sure how much I lost to him, but I've still got some T4U shares around ...
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Mare Crisium Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.10.28 15:09:53 -
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Ah, that makes sense. I was like "Verdammen, I thought I'd gotten everybody!"
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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
1263
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Posted - 2015.10.28 15:44:19 -
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All the action has moved.
I'm requesting this thread be locked.
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ISD Buldath
ISD STAR
194
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Posted - 2015.10.29 16:40:49 -
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Locked at owners request.
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Interstellar Services Department
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