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Jerry T Pepridge
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Posted - 2015.11.24 06:36:35 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote: Broken ? You flip flop your statements more than a fish does when it's out of water. Just because you play this game a certain way doesn't mean everyone else has to play the same way. That's what a sandbox is all about. The only thing that's actually broken here is CCP catering to a vocal minority that constantly claims high sec makes too much ISK for little to no risk.
DMC
Agree with everything but signing off your post with some kind os signature (its weird)
I tried doing hisec PVE with alts, can get close to about 20m hour with 1 character, this min/max crap never took my fancy coz its boring with no risk.
Best i got in Null was 15m a tick (every 15 mins?), 2 ticks in a row (30m) before a neutral showed up. longest i ratted in null consecutively was about 45 mins.
Thing is in null, if im taking some dudes on a roam, i Use Dotlan NPC kills Map to see who is ratting in null, then we just head there & go fishing. This isnt a new thing, dotlan has been out for a while now, its **** easy to use.
there was a guy used to live in fountain core, used to log off in anoms & log in and kill nerds for instance.
one afk cloaker can shutdown a high NPC kill system to zero activity.
High sec = uninterrupted but boring coz easy / no risk / lp Null = semi/ Regularly interrupted
im glad hisec ppl have worked out howto make isk but yeh zero risk in a t2 fit. |
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Posted - 2015.11.25 01:06:44 -
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Anize Oramara wrote: The fact that you'd log off rather than engage those roaming gangs is the problem. But HS is easy to blame, always has been.
lawl,
im sure when you are wardecced, you will stop what you want to do & just fight them off hey? |
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Posted - 2015.11.25 02:12:49 -
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Anize Oramara wrote: Or when did Eve become about not blowing up space pixels?
When you decided to compare HS & NS ratting incomes, while min maxing down to the last LP & saying "oh you are in nullsec, you just kill the gang with your corp mates blurf hurf."
its not a balanced ledger, you know it, or you would still be in nullsec ratting & not in highsec.
E: you were in AU TZ nullsec, you mean to tell me you could get 100 corpmates to stop ratting/do whatever to fight a gang off?
like a race horse you have the blinkers on, melbourne cup has come and gone mate! |
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Posted - 2015.11.25 10:59:58 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:Not AU TZ 'mate'. Also I like how I'm now responsible for the decline of Nullsec. I should go into politics with that kind of clout.
no, you are responsible for the decline of this thread.
now come on time is money minion, you just wasted 4.3m reading this. |
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Posted - 2015.11.26 01:27:27 -
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I ran missions in syndicate 0.0 for transtellar shipping, was mad LP's, for the 5 mins i was able to undock in a PVE ship, without being interupted. |
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Posted - 2015.11.27 09:51:00 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:watching yall bicker is some of the best forum entertainment I've seen in a while 10/10 all around! I don't even know how to respond to most of this stuff anymore
me either, they both make good points.
i stayed out when i realised it probs only 20 or so dudes actually using these methods.
is there any metric for that, of not not alot point to argue either side.
I can imagine them both in RL, looking at there moniter & getting slightly mad, maybe hitting keys harder.
but yeh very entertaining, on topic.
@OP when i do missions i usually salvage the loot, as i dont rly need the isk, i just gather the loot anyway sometimes something useful comes up. its like treasure finding in a way. |
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Posted - 2015.12.01 23:34:48 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote: I thought the appeal of null-sec was supposed to be player-driven content? Is it possible that null-sec in fact deserves the reputation and fate that befell it? Blue donuts, rental and moon goo empires, supercapital proliferation... There's one alliance in particular that seems to serve no purpose other than to further a real-world media empire and several others that would appear to be operated as thinly-veiled RMT schemes.
You can only see so much as an outsider looking in, you should stick to your strengths, pubbie
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Posted - 2015.12.01 23:44:48 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote: Except over the past year HS population has dropped severely and NS had a small increase...
So what is the problem other than whinny Null babies? They want people out of High Sec and it is happening. Just not fast enough for them?
If People like you want to stay in the beginner area of the game, doesn't bother me. |
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Posted - 2015.12.02 01:46:01 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Jerry T Pepridge wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote: Except over the past year HS population has dropped severely and NS had a small increase...
So what is the problem other than whinny Null babies? They want people out of High Sec and it is happening. Just not fast enough for them?
If People like you want to stay in the beginner area of the game, doesn't bother me. Great... so why post about nothing then?
This whole thread is nothing.
3 (very clever) guys that figured out how to make bulk isk in hisec VS 1 or 2 nullsec anom farmers, who are slightly butthurt they are capping out at less isk/hour than said hisec people. its one bug nonsensical argument.
I wanted to point out that hisec is the beginner area, but a saw a chance to sledge you too, so 2 birds 1 stone etc. |
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Posted - 2015.12.03 23:34:17 -
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Another day another page of PVE sperg |
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Posted - 2015.12.06 23:41:43 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:This thread has got TL&DR .
However my superficial impression is the argument seems to be "because maybe 50 or 100 mission runners (out of 300,000 subscriptions) at Lanngisi blitz missions and deliberately trash their agent standings to just above -2.0 please nerf all highsec ISK making activity :D
It's just politics the overall motive is to reduce highsec income for all mission runners and the blitzers are just good propoganda.
This
a handful of scrubs shoould't decide the outcome for all. |
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Posted - 2015.12.07 00:22:15 -
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baltec1 wrote: So would you like to reverse the tech moon nerf?
Implying you directly received any of it anyway, , its personal income argument here not alliance wide.
Im well aware of the struggles for nullsec PVE, toiled with it b4 i became rich enough to not worry about fun/hour.
If you want to take action, tank the SOE prices, rather than cry about it tbh, else HTFU. |
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Posted - 2015.12.07 00:51:11 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote: And their lvl 4 arguments revolve around a broken LP market for 3 total agents in High Sec, only two that are particularly useful. So really they have an issue with the market value of LP, while ignoring the fact they could make 2x as much running the same missions in Null.
If you mean u can run SOE missions in nullsec the same way as highsec, your kidding yourself matey.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Outer_Ring/IZ-AOB#kills24 (Npc kils 24hours)
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Outer_Ring/IZ-AOB#jumps24 (jumps 24 hours)
Assume each jump is an interuption/ make you warp to safe.
You can run those missions sure, at a much higher risk, interupted alot & only really available to those on that side of the map.
for the 40-50 or so blitzing those missions, they have 5b+ in ships perfectly optimazed for it, you want to fly those to NPC null?
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Posted - 2015.12.07 01:08:58 -
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baltec1 wrote:Jerry T Pepridge wrote:baltec1 wrote: So would you like to reverse the tech moon nerf?
Implying you directly received any of it anyway, , its personal income argument here not alliance wide. . Argument here is game balance, tech is just one example of poor balance that benefited a handful of people. OK how about the FW nerf that stopped us from earning 1 trillion in a single weekend? Its only a handful of people after all.
I liked tech being OP & valuable was a conflict driver. you could argue, that more was lost in defending/taking tech (DRF Vs CFC/Morsis mihi northern coalition (not NC.) etc) - hand full, no.
What do you think needs to happen here, what exactly is your argument, that null should be buffed, or the SOE agents should be nerfed?
you have options, you can crash the price of all SOE items, or wait until it becomes saturated enough the LP/isk returns to normal/equilibrium Which will happen.
The argument that nullsec can do same missions/even anom farming is BS. Coz 95% of null is there for PVP, the other 5% trying to "make a living" is contantly interupted by the 95%. |
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Posted - 2015.12.07 02:28:42 -
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baltec1 wrote:Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
What do you think needs to happen here, what exactly is your argument, that null should be buffed, or the SOE agents should be nerfed?
PVE in all areas of space needs a top down revamp. Remove the ability to blitz missions, massively reduce incursion payouts in highsec, FW missions need to also be revamped so you cant blitz them in a bomber, Anoms need to be retired as the primary form of making isk in null and replaced with mission agents. Loot and LP markets also need to be revamped to better reward people who fly in the more dangerous areas of space. Moon mining needs to become active not passive income. If the highsec bears in this thread actually read what I was saying they would realise that I'm calling for just as big nerfs in low and null areas of space. Market McSelling Alt wrote: you have options, you can crash the price of all SOE items
That's not an option, the SOE market will only crash if CCP nerfs the items it sells.
You can very easily crash any market in this game.
I certainly can agree it does need to be looked at Top down, your ideas would bring some great conflicts, particular the moon mining, but i think alliances that hold sov need some income to balance all the isk required to "live" there.
My idea is a little simpler. leave everything as it is, Missions in Nullsec need to be easier to complete, so the players there can use cheaper ships / pvp ships to do the content.
Imagine If a PVP vexor could complete a nullsec L4 PVE mission. |
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Posted - 2015.12.07 02:39:51 -
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Daniela Doran wrote: There are lots of other Factions you can run missions for in nullsec, like Mordus. But I do agree that they are far more dangerous to run then in hi-sec and for that reason I feel it to be justified to make many more agents available that offer these missions there in nullsec. In addition, adding new types of level 5s would also be beneficial for nullsec PVE improvement.
Very true, i used to run Transtellar Shipping L4's in syndicate back in the day, but never min/maxed them.
Making them easier to complete, requiring less tank/dps to complete is whats needed, lower the sec, easier to complete. |
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Posted - 2015.12.07 06:54:20 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:Jerry T Pepridge wrote:Daniela Doran wrote: There are lots of other Factions you can run missions for in nullsec, like Mordus. But I do agree that they are far more dangerous to run then in hi-sec and for that reason I feel it to be justified to make many more agents available that offer these missions there in nullsec. In addition, adding new types of level 5s would also be beneficial for nullsec PVE improvement.
Very true, i used to run Transtellar Shipping L4's in syndicate back in the day, but never min/maxed them. Making them easier to complete, requiring less tank/dps to complete is whats needed, lower the sec, easier to complete. Hmm, maybe different types of missions then for nullsec. Similar to burners that have 2 or 3 powerful rats to kill that requires ships to be PVP fitted to kill them. What about this idea of a Level 5 Capital class PVP burners in nullsec? The missions would be cyno jammed so that uninvited quests can't interrupt and has a gate that allows Caps to enter through.
Mobile cyno inhibitor
adding PVE that requires carriers is way too high a skillcap.
requiring a carrier + skills to do Null PVE is kin of a joke, i think nerfing L4 in null to be able to do in PVP ships is the go forward (if its broken at all.
I think once the SOE products reach equilibriam (more sperging mission runners go there) this whole thing will blow over. |
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Posted - 2015.12.07 09:08:48 -
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baltec1 wrote:Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
You can very easily crash any market in this game.
Not markets like SOE that are in huge demand and have a relatively wide distribution. Do you have any figures to show ? these markets will be / are well on there way to be / already saturated. As more and more switch, and more and more get produced, the price can only go down to a point where something else(caldari navy probs) has better isk/LP ratio & has agent in idyllic location.
the prices of the other lp stores will rise, as more people swap to soe.
knowing this, what do you do with a spare 300b? to help along the process?
baltec1 wrote:Jerry T Pepridge wrote: My idea is a little simpler. leave everything as it is, Missions in Nullsec need to be easier to complete, so the players there can use cheaper ships / pvp ships to do the content.
Imagine If a PVP vexor could complete a nullsec L4 PVE mission.
It can. A small gang of 5 pvp fitted ships is very efficient at running missions.
id like to be able to solo it, in something most people can afford to lose (a t2 pvp fitted cruiser) after just one of these horrible eve pve missions you guys do. |
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Posted - 2015.12.07 23:55:55 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Overall this thread is totally illogical.
Claimed issue: People make too much out of SOE missioning
Rational Solution: Increase the ISK component of SOE specific LP store items
Commonly Suggested Solution: Nerf hisec LP for everyone everywhere
1) a handful of people Using 3 accounts, 5b in perfect cooker cutter ships are making too much from SOE Missions 2) it will reach a balance point where one store is more isk/lp, or accelerate by doing as you suggest 3) Nerf the inc dmg on L4's everywhere else (Low/null) so they can be done in cheaper/PVP ships solo. |
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Posted - 2015.12.08 00:43:15 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Jerry T Pepridge wrote: 3) Nerf the inc dmg on L4's everywhere else (Low/null) so they can be done in cheaper/PVP ships solo.
Whilst that would work, i am not 100% sure how it gels with the "higher risk higher reward" equation for which EVE is famous. It also doesn't help people in renter space as there are no agents there.
You can probs spend 2-3 weeks training to get into a cruiser L4 My idea would be it can be done on cyno alts, etc.minimum SP. plant alts in mission pockets.
The risk is still there, if its cheap more ppl will do it & more pvp will happen as a result.
the argument "null is fine for missions" is rubbish, people suggesting it have never left highsec.
People dont do many L4 missions in null & low, coz the ships required to complete them are terrible in PVP situations (hint: everything is PVP in low/null). Nerfing the Incoming dmg to make them able to be completed with PVP cruisers would put alot more people out there doing them.
then the players still staying in hisec with there bling ships can still make isk with missions & so can nullsec. |
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Posted - 2015.12.08 00:55:09 -
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King Aires wrote: Whatever dude, I happen to know for a fact that you can blitz burners in 0.0 all day every day even in a camped system and make billions.
Whoever thinks High Sec has it made when you can blow through 20,000 lp per mission for some of the best LP rates in the game is lazy or stupid.
thats nice, what about Angel extravaganza? or are those meant to be skipped for burner only?
Which system offers only Burner missions?
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Posted - 2015.12.08 01:00:45 -
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King Aires wrote:Jerry T Pepridge wrote:King Aires wrote: Whatever dude, I happen to know for a fact that you can blitz burners in 0.0 all day every day even in a camped system and make billions.
Whoever thinks High Sec has it made when you can blow through 20,000 lp per mission for some of the best LP rates in the game is lazy or stupid.
thats nice, what about Angel extravaganza? or are those meant to be skipped for burner only? Which system offers only Burner missions? The one where you hit the decline button when you don't get one until you do... Shall we make a coloring book that shows you how to blitz?
You can if you like, regardless you wont be able to chain them together without ruining standings.
you seem a little upset, it would suck to have to rely on missions to plex accounts. i pity you. |
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Posted - 2015.12.08 02:12:39 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote: So wait? You can't blitz burners forever?
That must mean Jenn and Baltec have absolutely no point as the massive gains they are QQing about are temporary. Just checking.
I imagine with 3 alts there sharing missions & standings it would be negated somewhat. |
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Posted - 2015.12.08 03:05:10 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote: No that is not it.
The point in serious blitzing is you only need agent standings above negative 2 so you just decline everything but burners until you get down around negative 2 then start accepting the easily blitzed occasional non burner to keep yourself above negative 2. The way standings work means at close to negative 2 you can decline a lot more missions then you accept and still keep enough standings to keep missioning.
Seems to me that particular mechanic is the same everywhere null, losec or highsec.
I'll take you word for it, thanks for the explanation. seems broken though, can see why baltec1 & the other are wanting it nerfed.
hope any nerf they do doesnt mean you can't skip content & headshot missions (blitz them?) - that would suck for everyone. |
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Posted - 2015.12.08 04:13:07 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:chasing cheap ass vexors around is pretty damn unrewarding. I don't know that I'd go that low on requirement to finish lv4s in null. Although I'd guess there are probably some missions where that does work. and hey if eve is changing from risk reward to effort/ingenuity then I'm pretty alright with that, but I directly benefit from that It's just not something that seems congruent with what I know about eve design
Better than chasing cloaky nulified t3's, or interceptors.
i like the lower skill requirement due to helping new players get into it low & null & grow teeth early. the longer your in hisec, the harder to get out of it.
1m SP alts doing l4's in nullsec would be amazing. |
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Posted - 2015.12.09 04:35:08 -
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Daniela Doran wrote: Speak for yourself. I just bought 3 Vargurs, 2 Lokis + 10 Subs, Tengu + 5 Subs, Astarte, 4 Barghests, mods for said ships AND 8 plexes all within the past 2 weeks. Do you have any idea how much isk that is??
Pfff not alot for 8 accounts over 2 weeks. terrible in fact.
i take it you make no-where near the reported "300m an hour" |
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Posted - 2015.12.09 05:24:12 -
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Daniela Doran wrote: FYI in case your math was off, that came to a total of 21.8 bill isk spent in the past 2 weeks. Are you saying you can make over 10 bill isk a week in your null space?
More, i made 4.6b last night. only peasants undock. |
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Posted - 2015.12.10 06:41:05 -
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27 pages of highsec Vs nullsec income sperg & look what happens.
they fixed the exploit that allowed missions to be completed with a blitz method.
Arthur said in another thread he didn't blitz - but all the attention posted here has obviously made a difference. |
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Posted - 2015.12.10 06:51:43 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Jerry T Pepridge wrote:27 pages of highsec Vs nullsec income sperg & look what happens. they fixed the exploit that allowed missions to be completed with a blitz method. Arthur said in another thread he didn't blitz - but all the attention posted here has obviously made a difference. I was going to say: "Someone was obviously paying close attention to these threads..."
i think so too.
not being able to blitz l4's isnt a bug, its an exploit fix. that was advertised here for peen / ego in the form of "200m/hour in highsec" |
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Posted - 2015.12.10 08:18:20 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:If you think CCP makes any changes based on the complete and utter garbage that gets posted on these forums instead of, you know, actual metrics and figures they can draw from the game itself then you are the most deluded fool to ever walk this planet.
well regardless, its certainly ruffled your feathers. i realise your guide is just to help people (forum readers who care about pve). no-one knows what it is that has happened, it hasn't been confirmed/denied by game maker. all we know is the exploit has been closed a few people have confirmed the same and obviously fixed, call it weird timing. your guide still works though? you can just skip any mission and pick the high paying burners only and get away with it endlessly?
@hasikan: why is the biggest effect on new players? how does it concern them if level 4 missions take slightly longer/require skills? ahh i get it, your implying isk/hour affects them. your also implying PVE is the only thing to do in the game.
If the player in your example was determined enough he would google b4 doing it, you will have to explain what you mean, i dont think ive done that mission in a few years. is that the one where u warp in and its a belt, u get close to the corp hanger thing & loot an item then warp out? and a spawn of BS is there? |
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