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Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.10.27 23:40:56 -
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I been wanting to do a LONG term bond for a while now, since my investors are sad even when I close my bond after 6 months. So with the new XL citadel BPOs came a perfect opportunity. Therefore my proposition is as follows :
Chribba buys 2 citadel BPO maybe 3, depending on number of investors.
Chribba will receive 140b / 210b ISK, as collateral from me. This is to over collateralize the bond (as per standard), and cover and loss of value and ensure my best behavior :)
Chribba will only grant me access to research and make copies of the BPOs.
Investors will receive a fixed 1.5% interest on investments per the 1st of each month, regardless of profits or losses on the investment.
The bond owners, which at this point already includes a few people, but is still open to more. Are those that are going to receive any profits after expenses or cover any losses.
This will be a LONG term bond, with intended end date. Bond start date will be shortly before patch release of XL Citadels BPOs.
Currently we are looking for a feel for many people would be interested in this bond, as well as ideas, comments and maybe more bond owners.
More details below, as per previous bonds
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Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.10.27 23:42:11 -
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Bond info, size and investors
Bond info & size :
Planned size : max 1.400b Current size : 0b
Investors :
Current : = 0b in total
Repaid : = 0b in total
Reserved : = 0b in total
== 0b in total
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Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.10.27 23:43:48 -
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Amounts need to be in full billions. Interest will be 15m per billion per each 1st of the month, full period - For easier accounting
In the event of a default, or lack of collateral, investors will be refunded their capital investment and accrued interest to that point it's possible. Any ISK after the liquidation will be taken be Chribba as extra payment. investors will get priority by time of investment, if need be, after Chribba's pay.
No fixed duration. Expected many years. Cash out requests requires 20 days notice.
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Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.10.27 23:44:45 -
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Old bonds AE01 BOND 100b : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=185946 AE02 BOND _50b : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=252824 AE03 BOND _25b : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=301630 AE04 BOND 150b : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=320712 AE05 BOND 500b : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=343718 AE06 BOND 200b : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=364918 AE07 BOND 1000b : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=388677 AE07 BOND 1200b : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=434045
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Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.10.27 23:45:44 -
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Just in case...
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Vanaunge
Deep Space Whaling Crew
15
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Posted - 2015.10.27 23:50:51 -
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15 bill. Please reserve at least that for me |
Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.10.27 23:52:23 -
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That was quick
Noted - Thanks
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Vanaunge
Deep Space Whaling Crew
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Posted - 2015.10.27 23:56:05 -
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I will liquidate some stuff, I wanna triple that b4 they come out |
Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2015.10.28 00:10:48 -
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Confused about your section regarding collateral and specifically this: "140b / 210b ISK". |
Vanaunge
Deep Space Whaling Crew
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Posted - 2015.10.28 00:13:59 -
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Chribba will hold the bpo, as well as an additionAL 140/210B from AE as he will NOT have access to the bpo other than to research and copy it. This will over collateralized the bond (as the bpo is still worth 700B) and since it is X2 he is wanting to do. AE is putting 10% of each bpo down as overcollertal |
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Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.10.28 00:16:38 -
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Precise - is due to not knowing if it's going to be 2 or 3 BPOs - and the numbers are 10% of those
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Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2015.10.28 00:28:16 -
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Gotcha, thanks you two for the clarification. Reserve 50b for me please. |
Angelica Everstar
291
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Posted - 2015.10.28 00:29:13 -
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Noted
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Nightjester
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2015.10.28 00:40:22 -
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Will Chribba be responsible if the BPO's are destroyed in transit? who would be liable to pay out investors if this happened ?
If Chribba takes full responsibility for the BPO and will pay out the full investment no matter what happens to the BPO's then put me down for 100B isk. |
Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.10.28 00:53:43 -
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I see no reason to move it, and if needed I would only accept it if done the way described or similar protection would be offered. Otherwise I would rather cancel the bond, than run that sort of risk.
We will know before they are released thankfully :D
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Lisa Vallino
Simian Advanced Inc.
17
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Posted - 2015.10.28 01:12:14 -
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Lisa has been happy with the investments and steady returns AE has provided. I currently see no reason not to participate depending on Chribba and future information being provided from devs/AE. Tentatively, I can contribute 100-150B to the enterprise. I may wish for a BP copy in-lieu of interest payments. |
Krevnos
Back Door Burglars The Otherworld
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Posted - 2015.10.28 01:23:15 -
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An interesting concept, Angelica! I am satisfied with the collateral being proposed and measures being taken to ensure safe keeping of the items.
I do have a concern, however, regarding the proposed return on investment. Since the copy time and consumption of blueprints can not be accurately assessed at this stage, how sure can you be of being capable of paying investors the proposed 1.5%/month stipend?
Additionally, as the facility to engage in the proposed activity is not currently available, may I presume that commitment of capital to the bond will be postponed until close to the time of the Citadel release? |
Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.10.28 01:51:30 -
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This is all depending on : Chribba wanting to take part. Numbers still show profit after the details are written in STONE. Enough investors. an all the details can be agreed on by all involved.
The bond owner are the ones running the risk. I'm not investing all my ISK into this, so I can do my other trade ventures still, but also I can cover interest for a least a few months. This have been the standard for all my bonds.
Exit plan is to keep covering interest, until BPOs can be sold, and investors are returned their investments in full. And if need be, use my 10% collateral to fill in any gab.
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Krevnos
Back Door Burglars The Otherworld
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Posted - 2015.10.28 01:58:15 -
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Angelica Everstar wrote:This is all depending on : Chribba wanting to take part. Numbers still show profit after the details are written in STONE. Enough investors. an all the details can be agreed on by all involved.
The bond owner are the ones running the risk. I'm not investing all my ISK into this, so I can do my other trade ventures still, but also I can cover interest for a least a few months. This have been the standard for all my bonds.
Exit plan is to keep covering interest, until BPOs can be sold, and investors are returned their investments in full. And if need be, use my 10% collateral to fill in any gab.
Thank you, Angelica. On the basis that profitability is indicated once the full details are divulged regarding these blueprints and Chribba is interested in taking part in this venture, I will commit to investing 200B with the bond holders. |
TheSmokingHertog
TALIBAN EXPRESS
352
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Posted - 2015.10.28 02:13:15 -
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"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X
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Xylem Viliana
Protomonolithic
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Posted - 2015.10.28 08:21:07 -
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If my current investment with BadBobby is completed by that time, please reserve 15b for me, I believe bobby wants to have this completed within 1 month so it depends when they are to be released. |
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
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Posted - 2015.10.28 08:51:45 -
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Xylem Viliana wrote:If my current investment with BadBobby is completed by that time, please reserve 15b for me, I believe bobby wants to have this completed within 1 month so it depends when they are to be released. Citadels are scheduled for Spring 2016. So you will certainly have your isk back by then. |
Xylem Viliana
Protomonolithic
338
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Posted - 2015.10.28 09:04:24 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:Xylem Viliana wrote:If my current investment with BadBobby is completed by that time, please reserve 15b for me, I believe bobby wants to have this completed within 1 month so it depends when they are to be released. Citadels are scheduled for Spring 2016. So you will certainly have your isk back by then.
ah well that answers that. I dont pay attention to these things till they are closer normally, mostly cause I will forget and secondly cause I dont have time to do my own market speculation |
Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium.
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Posted - 2015.10.28 11:32:55 -
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I am potentially interested in a risk carrying position (bond holder). If I do go with it, it will be of the order 20 billion.
I need to theorycraft alternatives (outright purchases of more than one M BPO, going shares in a single L).
When you feel you need an answer within 14 days, EVEmail me.
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Ulisse Kromm
Italian Gentlemen's Society The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.10.28 11:33:29 -
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Consider me in for 50 Bil ty
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
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Posted - 2015.10.28 14:54:56 -
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If i understood your post in your latest bond right you repaid me the 450 B investment.As i posted in that thread i am a bit confused about the 'requested repayment' part as i did not request that.But then it probably also isn't a coincidence that this thread came up at the same time ...coughcough .
However , if i understood it right and you did repay me then i will re-invest the 450 B here and i'll go in as a bond holder , aka the ' i'm ****** and don't get nothing shares '.Might up it to 500 B round but have to see what the wallet says as i have not logged on for quite some time and even browsing the forums is becoming something rare wich also is the reason i'll just throw it all as a bond holder.
So put me down for 450 B bond holder and i'll be able to tell you in a few days if i round it up to 500 .Can't login at work and i'll only be home for a few hours of sleep tonight and tomorrow night so i'll let you know in the weekend.
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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
1263
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Posted - 2015.10.28 15:38:48 -
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Angelica Everstar wrote:The bond owners, which at this point already includes a few people, but is still open to more. Could we have a list of names?
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
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Posted - 2015.10.28 15:58:38 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:Angelica Everstar wrote:The bond owners, which at this point already includes a few people, but is still open to more. Could we have a list of names?
If you've got tough spots to fill allways make it appear as if those spots are allmost sold out .. .
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virm pasuul
FRISKY BUSINESS. No Handlebars.
337
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Posted - 2015.10.28 16:14:19 -
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Angelica Everstar wrote:I been wanting to do a LONG term bond for a while now, since my investors are sad even when I close my bond after 6 months. So with the new XL citadel BPOs came a perfect opportunity. Therefore my proposition is as follows :
Chribba buys 2 citadel BPO maybe 3, depending on number of investors.
Chribba will receive 140b / 210b ISK, as collateral from me. This is to over collateralize the bond (as per standard), and cover and loss of value and ensure my best behavior :)
I think you might be missing a zero on the right hand end of the collateral(s) ? If not enjoy a most profitable default :) |
xalongskam
Star Holdings
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Posted - 2015.10.28 16:16:25 -
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I am also interested in investing at least 100B (maybe more, depending on how my wallet looks when the bond starts) at 1.5% per month. I do not want to be a bond holder at this point though, only an investor. |
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