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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
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Posted - 2015.11.04 09:17:13 -
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Does CCP have any intention of making public in game reimbursements on a monthly or quarterly basis? This has always been an area ripe with speculation mixed with hard fact on favouritism in game for pet players & corporations.
CCP please end the pet player program & publish reimbursements for review by the player base so this game can shed its shady & corrupt nature attracting new players. I have reported a few very unfair reimbursements within my alliance through out my game years to no avail, this has included previous CSM members simply being gifted in game items for no other reason than being used to attack 'nobody' alliances ect.
A transparent reimbursement system could only make this game a stronger healthier place to play, sport & internet space king :)
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2015.11.04 09:18:44 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Does CCP have any intention of making public in game reimbursements on a monthly or quarterly basis? This has always been an area ripe with speculation mixed with hard fact on favouritism in game for pet players & corporations.
CCP please end the pet player program & publish reimbursements for review by the player base so this game can shed its shady & corrupt nature attracting new players. I have reported a few very unfair reimbursements within my alliance through out my game years to no avail, this has included previous CSM members simply being gifted in game items for no other reason than being used to attack 'nobody' alliances ect.
i need some source on that allegations buddy, please?
Just Add Water
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Raffael Ramirez
Alcohol Fuelled
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Posted - 2015.11.04 09:31:49 -
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OR we can end the age of entitlement and get rid of reimbursements altogether again.
Let's make EVE the cold harsh dark place where space pilots die of randomness and natural causes as much as other by direct action of other spaceship pilots.
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1781
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Posted - 2015.11.04 10:23:05 -
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i mean, how can you know?
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Max Fubarticus
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.04 10:51:22 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Does CCP have any intention of making public in game reimbursements on a monthly or quarterly basis? This has always been an area ripe with speculation mixed with hard fact on favouritism in game for pet players & corporations.
CCP please end the pet player program & publish reimbursements for review by the player base so this game can shed its shady & corrupt nature attracting new players. I have reported a few very unfair reimbursements within my alliance through out my game years to no avail, this has included previous CSM members simply being gifted in game items for no other reason than being used to attack 'nobody' alliances ect.
A transparent reimbursement system could only make this game a stronger healthier place to play, sport & internet space king :)
Thank You,
Come on, a little more, a little more... drop it right there! Yeah, I know it's a lot of tin foil... But it's going to be a really big freaking hat! |
Thierry Orlenard
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.04 10:56:53 -
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I love when people breezily drop vague allegations of an extremely serious nature, worded as if it's something we should all know about and take for granted.
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
439
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Posted - 2015.11.04 11:11:36 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:This has always been an area ripe with speculation mixed with hard fact on favouritism in game for pet players & corporations.
Speculation = rant. Rants are not alowed. Close thread please.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
40716
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Posted - 2015.11.04 11:20:42 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:CCP please end the pet player program & publish reimbursements for review by the player base so this game can shed its shady & corrupt nature attracting new players... Then the tin hats would just claim the figures aren't accurate.
Like, what do you expect that to prove in any sense? People who want to think there's a conspiracy are not going to be swayed one way or the other by the truth, since the only thing they believe is their own screwed up view of things.
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Ultim8Evil
30plus Fidelas Constans
273
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Posted - 2015.11.04 11:26:25 -
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Posting in a t20/Kugutsumen/BoB thread?
Or am I just showing my age here?
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Commander Spurty
Moosearmy I N G L O R I O U S
1580
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Posted - 2015.11.04 11:59:31 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Does CCP have any intention of making public in game reimbursements on a monthly or quarterly basis? This has always been an area ripe with speculation mixed with hard fact on favouritism in game for pet players & corporations.
CCP please end the pet player program & publish reimbursements for review by the player base so this game can shed its shady & corrupt nature attracting new players. I have reported a few very unfair reimbursements within my alliance through out my game years to no avail, this has included previous CSM members simply being gifted in game items for no other reason than being used to attack 'nobody' alliances ect. i need some source on that allegations buddy, please? That is exactly what the op asked for
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Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
261
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Posted - 2015.11.04 14:41:20 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Does CCP have any intention of making public in game reimbursements on a monthly or quarterly basis? This has always been an area ripe with speculation mixed with hard fact on favouritism in game for pet players & corporations.
CCP please end the pet player program & publish reimbursements for review by the player base so this game can shed its shady & corrupt nature attracting new players. I have reported a few very unfair reimbursements within my alliance through out my game years to no avail, this has included previous CSM members simply being gifted in game items for no other reason than being used to attack 'nobody' alliances ect.
A transparent reimbursement system could only make this game a stronger healthier place to play, sport & internet space king :)
Thank You,
Stop. just stop.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."
- Hunter S. Thompson
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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
331
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Posted - 2015.11.04 16:09:41 -
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Commander Spurty wrote: That is exactly what the op asked for
Exactly, why would people not want a transparent reimbursement system? Well there is only one logical answer to that, they are in recipt of unfair reimbursements.
As to precise incidents I am privy to I shall ask CCP & ISD here if it is acceptable to publish the incidents that I have reported? I know it is bannable to publish in game moderation respone but is it against rules to publish the initial report?
I have on incident where a CCP dev gave out ships to a member of the community (non CSM) this year which I reported & CCP responded too. Another incident I reported many years ago involved a CSM member whelping a fleet which for no obvious reason other than his incompetence was reimbursed. These reimbursements are not only related to ship losses I've seen corp wallets which have been bombed against the market in stupid decimal errors, reimbursed before too.
The fact of the matter is that it is well known that the reimbursement system is being abused so transparency & community review is needed to stop CCP from continuing the trivial nature of reimbursing Billions of assets to friends in game which are lost to utter incompetency.
I will wait for ISD or CCP permission to post specific incidents here, I'll give them a few days so I have fair warning not to or permission to do so, that way if I am banned I will have good ground to stand on in my complaint. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1783
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Posted - 2015.11.04 16:16:08 -
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why should players be able to deceide what ccp should reimburse and what they shouldnt, what information do players have that ccp doesnt in relation to server issues etc?
No i dont support this because if i lose a ship why should you be able to have an opinion on what happened, it just makes you look nosey and trying to look like someone important
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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
331
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Posted - 2015.11.04 16:18:04 -
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Lan Wang wrote:why should players be able to deceide what ccp should reimburse and what they shouldnt, what information do players have that ccp doesnt in relation to server issues etc?
No i dont support this because if i lose a ship why should you be able to have an opinion on what happened, it just makes you look nosey and trying to look like someone important
Its called transparency & yes I do have opinions on your losses because I play this game & thus can form opinions on them whether they are correct or incorrect. We may have to refer to CCP's final judgement on matters but we can sure as hell reach a view on them, well unless they are done completely behind closed doors in that case we can only assume the worst.
CCP is using the reimbursement system to prop up pet corps & alliances, this is the only sensible conclusion from the lack of transparency & the fact that moderation is not to be discussed. I was once in a pet corp with our leader on the CSM. If I'm wrong I call on CCP to provide transparent reimbursement logs & to publish them quarterly or monthly for player review. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1784
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Posted - 2015.11.04 16:32:29 -
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thats all you can have is an opinion, an opinion from someone who has no idea about anything, only people this should concern is the user and ccp because only they know what happened, basically mind your own business.
Its not transparency its merely adding more problems without providing a solution
CCP controls the game not the players
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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
331
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Posted - 2015.11.04 16:53:04 -
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I have petition communications about a CCP employee breaking ELUA he was able to do so via the reimbursement system & its lack of transparency. CCP is aware of this incident it has been dealt with, if given permission I will publish it.
This is not assumption it is fact, I call on CCP to publish ALL reimbursements for community review. I'd even give CCP a chance and say set a date from that point on all reimbursements become public so no more abusing it. CCP & EVE get a lot cleaner thus attracting new players who are not willing to fight the good fight against CCP pets.
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CCP can continue to keep reimbursements hidden and abuse the system as is the norm. Some current CSM input is welcome in this matter too, please put your cards on the deck gentlemen. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp Vae. Victis.
6330
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Posted - 2015.11.04 16:57:01 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Lan Wang wrote:why should players be able to deceide what ccp should reimburse and what they shouldnt, what information do players have that ccp doesnt in relation to server issues etc?
No i dont support this because if i lose a ship why should you be able to have an opinion on what happened, it just makes you look nosey and trying to look like someone important Its called transparency & yes I do have opinions on your losses because I play this game & thus can form opinions on them whether they are correct or incorrect. We may have to refer to CCP's final judgement on matters but we can sure as hell reach a view on them, well unless they are done completely behind closed doors in that case we can only assume the worst. CCP is using the reimbursement system to prop up pet corps & alliances, this is the only sensible conclusion from the lack of transparency & the fact that moderation is not to be discussed. I was once in a pet corp with our leader on the CSM. If I'm wrong I call on CCP to provide transparent reimbursement logs & to publish them quarterly or monthly for player review. CCP has an Internal Affairs department to submit your supposed "proof" to, where the matter can be properly and fairly investigated (with ALL of the facts available including server logs). If a bad call was made, or if favoritism occurred, they will deal with it as they have demonstrably always done.
Confidential interactions between CCP and individual players are a private matter, and none of your business. This is the same as in any game you may care to mention, and any information concerning misdeeds or reimbursements you may receive are also protected in this manner.
If you have submitted your "proof" to IA and the matter was investigated and dropped, then simply put you didn't have all of the facts... and are irritated that the decision didn't go as you wished.
If you haven't taken this step, then you are wasting our time. You are not entitled to be privy to private matters concerning other player accounts. It's akin to me saying I have a right to know if YOU have ever been late making a payment, ran a market scam, or ever received a temp ban for botting... CCP won't discuss your private business with me because it's none of my business. Privacy is an important issue in any business, let alone one rely's heavily on online interactions.
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1784
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Posted - 2015.11.04 16:57:22 -
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not going to happen
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp Vae. Victis.
6330
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Posted - 2015.11.04 16:59:31 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:I have petition communications about a CCP employee breaking ELUA he was able to do so via the reimbursement system & its lack of transparency. CCP is aware of this incident it has been dealt with, if given permission I will publish it.
This is not assumption it is fact, I call on CCP to publish ALL reimbursements for community review. I'd even give CCP a chance and say set a date from that point on all reimbursements become public so no more abusing it. CCP & EVE get a lot cleaner thus attracting new players who are not willing to fight the good fight against CCP pets.
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CCP can continue to keep reimbursements hidden and abuse the system as is the norm. Some current CSM input is welcome in this matter too, please put your cards on the deck gentlemen. If a "situation" occurred and it has been dealt with, then obviously there is no need to open the door to serious privacy concerns by changing their policy.
Interesting though, earlier you indicated that you reported something and it was ignored.
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Moneta
Gilded Goose Brokerage
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Posted - 2015.11.04 17:06:36 -
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Quote:Exactly, why would people not want a transparent reimbursement system? Well there is only one logical answer to that, they are in recipt of unfair reimbursements.
Yeah, why on earth would people object to having someone read all their email, if they've got nothing to hide.. |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp Vae. Victis.
6331
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Posted - 2015.11.04 17:09:22 -
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Moneta wrote:Quote:Exactly, why would people not want a transparent reimbursement system? Well there is only one logical answer to that, they are in recipt of unfair reimbursements. Yeah, why on earth would people object to having someone read all their email, if they've got nothing to hide.. Absolutely. Privacy is simply another word for criminal intent and dishonesty. I'm a paying customer, I have the right to know every detail of every customer interaction CCP makes right?
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Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
261
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Posted - 2015.11.04 19:19:09 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Does CCP have any intention of making public in game reimbursements on a monthly or quarterly basis? This has always been an area ripe with speculation mixed with hard fact on favouritism in game for pet players & corporations.
CCP please end the pet player program & publish reimbursements for review by the player base so this game can shed its shady & corrupt nature attracting new players. I have reported a few very unfair reimbursements within my alliance through out my game years to no avail, this has included previous CSM members simply being gifted in game items for no other reason than being used to attack 'nobody' alliances ect.
A transparent reimbursement system could only make this game a stronger healthier place to play, sport & internet space king :)
Thank You,
Transparency is not the same as fairness. Confidentiality is not the same as corruption.
You understand that right?
Wait - don't tell me - you're pissed off because you requested reimbursement for a shiny ship you lost and you didn't get it.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."
- Hunter S. Thompson
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Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
261
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Posted - 2015.11.04 19:26:26 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote: The fact of the matter is that it is well known that the reimbursement system is being abused so transparency & community review is needed to stop CCP from continuing the trivial nature of reimbursing billions of assets to friends in game while denying the exact same circumstance to others who are not pet players or in pet corps.
Unsubstantiated accusations of corruption followed by threats to "reveal all" and insistence that all reimbursements should be subject to "community review?"
If you had any credibility, you would have started with proof. You did not, proving you have none.
This is some of the dumbest tinfoil-hat BS I've read lately. And there has been a lot of it.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."
- Hunter S. Thompson
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ISD Buldath
ISD STAR
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Posted - 2015.11.04 23:32:39 -
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If you believe that someone is abusing the reimbursement system, please file a support ticket to [email protected] and cite evidence and other issues. Since this answer's your question, I will go ahead and lock this.
~ISD Buldath
Interstellar Services Department
Support, Training and Resources Division
Lt. Commander
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