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Polarbear Cuddlebunny
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.11.05 12:57:10 -
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I was looking at getting more ETC and/or PLEX today and after checking the prices I was surprised to see that US users (well, anyone buying in USD) gain more than 1/3rd extra compared to their UK (GBP buying) counterparts - and 10% more than EU (EUR transacting) users.
Using the MasterCard exchange rates from a few mins ago, a pack of 6 PLEX costs:
USD: 104.00 - ($17.34/PLEX) EUR: 105.50 - ($114.39 USD - 10% more expensive -- $19.07/PLEX) GBP: 89.99 - ($138.95 USD - 34% more expensive - $23.16/PLEX)
Put another way, for every $104 spent, a US user gets 6 PLEX, an EU user gets 5 and a UK user gets 4.
Am I missing something here - or is this just blatant price gouging of non-US users? With regard to the game itself, does this not have a net effect of being huge subsidy from UK and EU users to US users in-game. US players get an additional 34% bonus game-time / training time or ISK (if people are selling PLEX) over every UK user and 10% over every EU one.
The above prices are from what a 6-pack of PLEX costs on Amazon US, France and UK respectively. I'm fairly sure are the same as the CCP website or as close to it as to not matter. Taxes do not seem to explain the difference as the discrepancy is simply way too much to account for it. Obviously there is no shipping costs involved either. The same gulf in value applies for purchases or any number of PLEX (1, 2, 6, 10 etc. etc.)
If I buy off the US Amazon site today, even including the commission from my bank for the transaction being in USD, its still 30% cheaper to buy PLEX in the US than in the UK.
NOTE: I'm not sure what prices are for Russian users or Japanese etc. but I'm not sure it matters much, what i've said above still applies. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
527
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Posted - 2015.11.05 12:57:51 -
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LOL This one again....
Imam: Have you heard anything I've said?
Richard B. Riddick: You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
Imam: That's right.
Richard B. Riddick: Had to end sometime.
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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1317
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Posted - 2015.11.05 12:59:45 -
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Why would you buy gametime or PLEX in anything other than Dollars anyway?
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Flitz Farseeker
Mass HaVoK KAOS Unlimited
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Posted - 2015.11.05 13:01:12 -
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Tax and exchange rates. Suggest you move to USA to save money. |
Lara Sunji
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.11.05 13:01:27 -
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Dont buy from CCP directly .... Especially when you know you're getting ripped off compared to other players. |
Polarbear Cuddlebunny
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.11.05 13:03:17 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:LOL This one again....
I did search the forums for things like "Plex price" etc., nothing came up in search results. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
40733
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Posted - 2015.11.05 13:03:31 -
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Did you factor in US taxes?
The U.K. and EU are still more expensive, but with dollar fluctuation and sales taxes, it's not always as large as it seems.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
40733
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Posted - 2015.11.05 13:06:09 -
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Polarbear Cuddlebunny wrote:Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:LOL This one again.... I did search the forums for things like "Plex price" etc., nothing came up in search results. That's probably because there were so many hits, you broke the search function, or the hamster had a heart attack.
It's about the most common subject here and is the cause of all ills and ailments in the game, all combat losses and global unrest. If only PLEX was cheaper, we would have World Peace, or something like that.
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Polarbear Cuddlebunny
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.11.05 13:10:07 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Did you factor in US taxes?
The U.K. and EU are still more expensive, but with dollar fluctuation and sales taxes, it's not always as large as it seems.
That's beside the point - even between the rest of the EU and UK its a large disparity. Plus or minus 5 percent and I wouldn't really care, but there is still a >15% difference between EU and UK. The US disparity seems to just take the **** in how far out of whack it is.
If I bought 6 PLEX off of Amazon US now, how much sales tax would be added (on average - I get it varies state to state) to the $104 price listed? |
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
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Posted - 2015.11.05 13:11:17 -
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Sounds more like your weird, socialist EU tariffs are unfair to those users.
This is basically the "Australia" argument all over again. It's not CCP's fault, it's your country's fault.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25652
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Posted - 2015.11.05 13:20:57 -
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Polarbear Cuddlebunny wrote:If I bought 6 PLEX off of Amazon US now, how much sales tax would be added (on average - I get it varies state to state) to the $104 price listed? If you don't have a US billing address? None, because you can't buy them from Amazon.com without one.
Ask me how I know.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
12725
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Posted - 2015.11.05 13:21:35 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Polarbear Cuddlebunny wrote:Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:LOL This one again.... I did search the forums for things like "Plex price" etc., nothing came up in search results. That's probably because there were so many hits, you broke the search function, or the hamster had a heart attack. . Now we know what today's extended downtime was about anyway.
Better the Devil you know.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
14911
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Posted - 2015.11.05 13:23:04 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Polarbear Cuddlebunny wrote:If I bought 6 PLEX off of Amazon US now, how much sales tax would be added (on average - I get it varies state to state) to the $104 price listed? If you don't have a US billing address? None, because you can't buy them from Amazon.com without one. Ask me how I know.
At least one state that I know of lets you have a post office box without a state residency, regardless of where your actual residency is. Military guys use tricks like that all the time while deployed overseas, to purchase digital items.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Brian Harrelstein
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2015.11.05 13:23:58 -
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THE ECONOMY IS BROKE RIGHT NOW THANKS OBAMA |
Lara Sunji
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.11.05 13:26:01 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Polarbear Cuddlebunny wrote:If I bought 6 PLEX off of Amazon US now, how much sales tax would be added (on average - I get it varies state to state) to the $104 price listed? If you don't have a US billing address? None, because you can't buy them from Amazon.com without one. Ask me how I know. Then you make one, and preferably in a state that has no sales tax. Now it magically works in EU as well. |
Intar Medris
Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
238
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Posted - 2015.11.05 13:27:59 -
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It's called taxes. Blame your Government not CCP.
I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25652
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Posted - 2015.11.05 13:35:39 -
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Lara Sunji wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Polarbear Cuddlebunny wrote:If I bought 6 PLEX off of Amazon US now, how much sales tax would be added (on average - I get it varies state to state) to the $104 price listed? If you don't have a US billing address? None, because you can't buy them from Amazon.com without one. Ask me how I know. Then you make one, and preferably in a state that has no sales tax. Now it magically works in EU as well. Not quite that easy, Amazon billing addresses are generally tied and matched to the card used to pay for goods.
Just for interests sake I've done a bit of shopping around the official 3rd party retailers and the best price I can get on 6 PLEX in the UK is -ú68.23 or $104.13.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Pandora Bokks
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.11.05 13:36:24 -
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You can always buy from US resident authorized resellers. Problem solved. |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12896
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Posted - 2015.11.05 13:40:08 -
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Damn Fareigners: "We got "free" healthcare" !
Muricans: "We got cheaper PLEX AND we don't have to take out a multi-year loan to buy one Gallon of Gas".
Damn Fareigners: "You win"... |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25652
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Posted - 2015.11.05 14:02:45 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Damn Fareigners: "We got "free" healthcare" !
Muricans: "We got cheaper PLEX AND we don't have to take out a multi-year loan to buy one Gallon of Gas".
Damn Fareigners: "You win"... We've got 1000's of years of history and culture
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2380
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Posted - 2015.11.05 14:12:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Damn Fareigners: "We got "free" healthcare" !
Muricans: "We got cheaper PLEX AND we don't have to take out a multi-year loan to buy one Gallon of Gas".
Damn Fareigners: "You win"...
CANADA \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
We also apparently have the sexiest prime minister now. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
12725
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Posted - 2015.11.05 14:28:17 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Damn Fareigners: "We got "free" healthcare" !
Muricans: "We got cheaper PLEX AND we don't have to take out a multi-year loan to buy one Gallon of Gas".
Damn Fareigners: "You win"... We've got 1000's of years of history and culture *cough*
Better the Devil you know.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16892
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Posted - 2015.11.05 14:41:51 -
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America has a nasty habit of not adding the tax to things. You pay, then pay again then they look at you expecting a tip.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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Tisiphone Dira
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
454
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Posted - 2015.11.05 14:44:19 -
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Australians:
- Ripped off when we pay with didgeriedollars - Our internet speeds are abysmal, only 4 koalas a second - Downtime is in our primetime.
Stop your whinging. |
Doddy
Esoteric Operations
926
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Posted - 2015.11.05 14:52:25 -
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Polarbear Cuddlebunny wrote:I was looking at getting more ETC and/or PLEX today and after checking the prices I was surprised to see that US users (well, anyone buying in USD) gain more than 1/3rd extra compared to their UK (GBP buying) counterparts - and 10% more than EU (EUR transacting) users.
Using the MasterCard exchange rates from a few mins ago, a pack of 6 PLEX costs:
USD: 104.00 - ($17.34/PLEX) EUR: 105.50 - ($114.39 USD - 10% more expensive -- $19.07/PLEX) GBP: 89.99 - ($138.95 USD - 34% more expensive - $23.16/PLEX)
Put another way, for every $104 spent, a US user gets 6 PLEX, an EU user gets 5 and a UK user gets 4.
Am I missing something here - or is this just blatant price gouging of non-US users? With regard to the game itself, does this not have a net effect of being huge subsidy from UK and EU users to US users in-game. US players get an additional 34% bonus game-time / training time or ISK (if people are selling PLEX) over every UK user and 10% over every EU one.
The above prices are from what a 6-pack of PLEX costs on Amazon US, France and UK respectively. I'm fairly sure are the same as the CCP website or as close to it as to not matter. Taxes do not seem to explain the difference as the discrepancy is simply way too much to account for it. Obviously there is no shipping costs involved either. The same gulf in value applies for purchases or any number of PLEX (1, 2, 6, 10 etc. etc.)
If I buy off the US Amazon site today, even including the commission from my bank for the transaction being in USD, its still 30% cheaper to buy PLEX in the US than in the UK.
NOTE: I'm not sure what prices are for Russian users or Japanese etc. but I'm not sure it matters much, what i've said above still applies.
This is existed for the entire history of gaming, you are only noticing it now? CCP is doing nothing the rest of the industry hasn't done since the 1980s. I remember when the 32 bit consoles launched and they were effctively double the price in the UK as the US, same with most of the games for them. Today in games like WoT you pay a fraction of the sub cost on the RU server as EU. At least in eve thanks to the single server you can get round it by buying from foreign sites. |
Obadja
RENTER REBELS UNCHAINED League of Unaligned Master Pilots
40
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Posted - 2015.11.05 15:01:12 -
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This one and That one
and a few more
unofficial thread ranking:
1. Eve is dying 2. Plexprices are to high / unfair
The EVE mantras:
# Don't fly what you cannot afford to loose ## Work in RL Play in Eve ## Don't build a relationship towards your ship, it won't last ## Press F12, do the Career Agent missions ##
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
3584
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Posted - 2015.11.05 15:01:25 -
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Serves you damn communists right. |
Otso Bakarti
Filial Pariahs
448
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Posted - 2015.11.05 15:04:34 -
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How is management responsible for all the add-on expenses your country and credit card company choose to burden you with? Do you really expect merchants worldwide to adjust their pricing and scale it to your particular needs? Most business people price things fairly in order to be competitive. I imagine CCP does the same.
TL;DR All the raises in cost to you using the method you choose to pay have nothing to do with CCP's pricing policy.
Fear of death follows from fear of life. A man who lives fully is prepared to die at any time. -Mark Twain -
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Obadja
RENTER REBELS UNCHAINED League of Unaligned Master Pilots
40
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Posted - 2015.11.05 15:11:35 -
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Im glad that eve isn't cencored by our government to the point that we are shooting unicorns and rainbows instead of rockets and lasers
The EVE mantras:
# Don't fly what you cannot afford to loose ## Work in RL Play in Eve ## Don't build a relationship towards your ship, it won't last ## Press F12, do the Career Agent missions ##
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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
10357
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:00:25 -
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You can exchange the money using for example PayPal. And use PayPal to pay for PLEX.
Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
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