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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Carpe Noctem. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:59:18 -
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Hello spacefriends,
The ministry of truth (conveniently located on the web at evedarklord.blogspot.ca) is again called upon to keep you the valued members of crime & punishment aware of the tides of nerfdom sweeping towards the beacheads of content-creation you have worked hard to establish.
Recently in a reddit post, CCP Falcon confirmed his intention to break faith with the basic principles of 'risk vs reward' that are central to the EvE ethos. How so? Well in short, he supports the notion of creating 'social corporations' or 'corporation lite' abominations.
What's the problem? Well, the likes of CSM Mike Asariah have poured honeyed-potions of increased player retention and the benefits of providing corp-like features to players in NPC corps, while avoiding the fact it also means said players are ultimately getting corporation features 'for free' while remaining immune to war declarations. Proponents of this abomination then try to rationalize their crimes against risk-vs-reward, by downplaying the potency of the features they will give them, saying 'its only bookmarks', or 'its only shared calendars' -- all while refusing to define what increased risks they *are* willing to accept in trade for receiving more, while risking nothing.
Is that EvE?
tldr; I anticipate the impact of social corporations to be two-fold. First, players hiding out in perpetuity in NPC corporations today will now be able to rake in their candied ISK from incursions while also getting corporation features and being immune to wardec. In short, having their cake and eating it too.
Secondly, players in full corporations today who are frustrated with wardec mechanics, will be more inclined to drop their corporation memberships, and simply re-form as a social-corporation while hiding out in NPC corporations, again enjoying corp features without fear of wardec and the added benefit of not even having to re-roll a corp now when a dec does land.
While I support a broad-sweeping plan that includes big changes to hisec to increase player retention, I have not, and will not -- ever support nerfs in a vacuum that only offer the nerf, never the stick.
Ultimately, I just report, I am but one other (bored) dude on the internet. You however must decide what EvE is and will become, while the clock is clearly ticking on making your voices heard on several fronts.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1831
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Posted - 2015.11.05 17:19:50 -
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Compared to the awox nerf, can we expect the same amount of new players, or will it be different? Did they say anything about that?
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Mag's
the united
20673
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Posted - 2015.11.05 17:43:21 -
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Nothing CCP does now comes as a surprise anymore, since their SP buying announcement that is.
While Eve may not be dying and could in fact live on for many years, it's core is. So I couldn't care less what they do anymore.
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Intar Medris
Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
238
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Posted - 2015.11.05 17:44:52 -
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This like year old news that doesn't even matter anymore. Why? Social corps as an idea got binned.
Seriously Feyd your threads are starting look like that of a raging carebear. As long as I can undock and have to worry about being blow the duck up each and time no matter what sector of space I am in EVE will be EVE.
I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6927
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Posted - 2015.11.05 17:47:21 -
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While I don't agree with your entire premise that changes liek the ones proposed recently eliminate risk reward (rather I believe it just shakes up the source of risk) the simple fact is that more players join for mechanics based (often carebear) gameplay. CCP are looking for a middleground between maintaining the sandbox and catering to a large enough market share to guarantee ongoing survival. What that's likely to focus on is more creation, more competition, more disruption but less direct destruction (at least as far as highsec is concerned). The days of mindlessly farming swathes of noobs because they are easy kills can't continue indefinitely.
I expect to see highsec safety increased for those without space assets and mechanical rewards reduced, safety for those with in-space assets reduced and low(particularly)/null/wh rewards and increased. Across the board I expect to see mechanical risks increased.
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Carpe Noctem. Pandemic Legion
2593
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Posted - 2015.11.05 17:54:16 -
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Intar Medris wrote:This like year old news that doesn't even matter anymore. Why? Social corps as an idea got binned. Wait, did you just literally reply without reading the quote I provided from Falcon showing the exact opposite?
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Tengu Grib
Black Hydra Consortium.
1458
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Posted - 2015.11.05 19:06:14 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Compared to the awox nerf, can we expect the same amount of new players, or will it be different? Did they say anything about that?
You mean the same amount of none right?
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Tengu Grib
Black Hydra Consortium.
1458
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Posted - 2015.11.05 19:07:47 -
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Mag's wrote:Nothing CCP does now comes as a surprise anymore, since their SP buying announcement that is.
While Eve may not be dying and could in fact live on for many years, it's core is. So I couldn't care less what they do anymore.
I hear Elite Dangerous is producing more and more tears these days.
(For clarification, I'm not telling you to leave, I'm saying if you do I might join you)
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
975
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Posted - 2015.11.05 19:41:00 -
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So there are no details on social corps, what they may entail, what restrictions may be in place, but you are already break out the pitch forks. Why?
What if social corps come with a 20 or even 50% NPC tax rate? What if all industrial facilities in hi sec charged social corps (and npc ones) triple the service costs for the slot in question? What if the social corp only offered a chat channel, shared bookmarks, and calendar (all of which could be done manually with a little work or external tools) and that was it? They still had normal NPC tax, couldn't anchor structures such as citadels, no corp hangers, no corp contracts?
I don't know. It seems like you are trying to stir stuff up when there's no information out there. What if social corps lead to thevremival of NPC corps and encouraged people to move to player run corps faster because of tax or other mechanics?
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Carpe Noctem. Pandemic Legion
2595
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Posted - 2015.11.05 19:53:31 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:So there are no details on social corps, what they may entail, what restrictions may be in place, but you are already break out the pitch forks. Why? ... I don't know, but it just doesn't seem worth it to start panicibg or screaming at CCP till more details are known. Sorry for not including some historical context, to illustrate that what is known is the underlying intent of it all, from the cocodiles mouth as it were...
Start here and read onward. It's recommended you review Ralph King-Griffins dank gird-up-your-loins infographic first however. ..
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
12734
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Posted - 2015.11.05 20:07:47 -
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My ShipToasting senses were tingling.
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Saeger1737
Bite the pillow The Pursuit of Happiness
1178
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Posted - 2015.11.05 20:14:47 -
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Npc corps should be abolished, the social expience should begin day one by introducing you to player owned corps in your area of space, pvp and pve should be an option but always a constant risk. Those who spend the isk to kill others shouldn't be punished for wanting fun in a game they play for fun. In the end it's a game based on moments of fun. Cut the fun it becomes a mindless game of miners and cap pilots.
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
975
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Posted - 2015.11.05 20:16:15 -
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What you posted was information from a CSM member. That is not CCP saying the will do X. I understand that person's view on social corps. I also know another CSM candidate who I talked to often. Mang had some great ideas, few made it. Many were much more simple, but they just didn't make it.
Do I think CCP may create more corp systems? Yes. Do I think the corp system needs a major overhaul? Yes. (we can't delete medals even and try to reorganize that area.) Do I think CCP will create blogs before the change with ample time for feedback? Yes. Do I think they will act on all feedback? No but I'm not worried. Until we know the actual details from CCP's devs, not the rambling of one CSM candidate, it just doesn't like a big worry, especially when there are other closer changes that are worrisome.
I mean switching the bonus on the punisher? It just seems pointless. Why use lasers at that point when ACs are capless and easier to fit? Granted the return of the AC punisher seems great, but it does seem like a step back.
Plus, I tend to back anything that has CCP fixing legacy code (such as the corp code) so future fixes are faster. |
Rancid Meat Hook
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2015.11.05 20:31:58 -
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Get rid of non-starter NPC corps. Starter NPC corps should have an eject feature after 14 days, making you corp-less. Same thing happens if you flat out leave a player corp.
The player is then a perma-suspect (pirate) until they can become a legitimate corporate member again. |
Rhamnousia Nosferatu
Bunnyhopping days
132
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Posted - 2015.11.05 20:47:19 -
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I like how some folks (namely, Feyd) are against ideas without even knowing what's behind them.
The only thing we know about social corps is that they would not be deccable - no ideas regarding what they would or would not be able to do, but Feyd and co. already know it is a horrible idea. Considering the fact that we already have NPC corps, I can't see how having social corps, allowing for smaller groups of people to build their eve connections and careers while accepting likely severe limitations on access to pos/citadels, pocos, increased taxes etc. would be a bad thing?
What is particularly hypocritical is the fact that all these criticism will be coming from members of vocal HTFU crowd (goonies, codies and probably other -ies) who regularly use NPC corp alts for their own needs (hauling, bumping etc.) If it wasn't really sad, it might even be amusing. |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Carpe Noctem. Pandemic Legion
2604
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Posted - 2015.11.05 20:58:07 -
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:I like how some folks (namely, Feyd) are against ideas without even knowing what's behind them. .. The only thing we know about social corps is that they would not be deccable...
Did you literally just say we don't know anything, and then immediately say we do know something, and double down on confirming it does mean non-wardeccable corps? Did you *literally* just f#$#ing do that?
I....words..dont...
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu
Bunnyhopping days
133
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Posted - 2015.11.05 21:05:44 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:I like how some folks (namely, Feyd) are against ideas without even knowing what's behind them. .. The only thing we know about social corps is that they would not be deccable...
Did you literally just say we don't know anything, and then immediately say we do know something, and double down on confirming it does mean non-wardeccable corps? Did you *literally* just f#$#ing do that? I....words..dont...
Wow, so much anger... English is not my first language, but I don't think that 'not knowing what is behind an idea' equates to 'we have absolutely no idea what this is all about', especially since the defining characteristic of 'social corps' would be lack of ability to wardec them. Now, if the ability to war dec a corp is the only relevant characteristic of corporations in EvE, then we must be playing different games. |
Aoife Fraoch
Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance
244
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Posted - 2015.11.05 21:09:31 -
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I am in the wait and see camp.
Personally I would like to see 'social corps' to support purple fleets and other cross corp groups, and the corporation mechanics changed so that all economic benefits (like not paying NPC tax and setting your own) tied to having a structure in space, and therefore vulnerable.
But none of the above is worth the pixels, because I am sure that CCP will do something else. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Black Hydra Consortium.
2058
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Posted - 2015.11.05 22:16:58 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Hello spacefriends, The ministry of truth (conveniently located on the web at evedarklord.blogspot.ca) is again called upon to keep you the valued members of crime & punishment aware of the tides of nerfdom sweeping towards the beacheads of content-creation you have worked hard to establish. Recently in a reddit post, CCP Falcon confirmed his intention to break faith with the basic principles of 'risk vs reward' that are central to the EvE ethos. How so? Well in short, he supports the notion of creating 'social corporations' or 'corporation lite' abominations. What's the problem? Well, the likes of CSM Mike Asariah have poured honeyed-potions of increased player retention and the benefits of providing corp-like features to players in NPC corps, while avoiding the fact it also means said players are ultimately getting corporation features 'for free' while remaining immune to war declarations. Proponents of this abomination then try to rationalize their crimes against risk-vs-reward, by downplaying the potency of the features they will give them, saying 'its only bookmarks', or 'its only shared calendars' -- all while refusing to define what increased risks they *are* willing to accept in trade for receiving more, while risking nothing. Is that EvE? tldr; I anticipate the impact of social corporations to be two-fold. First, players hiding out in perpetuity in NPC corporations today will now be able to rake in their candied ISK from incursions while also getting corporation features and being immune to wardec. In short, having their cake and eating it too. Secondly, players in full corporations today who are frustrated with wardec mechanics, will be more inclined to drop their corporation memberships, and simply re-form as a social-corporation while hiding out in NPC corporations, again enjoying corp features without fear of wardec and the added benefit of not even having to re-roll a corp now when a dec does land. While I support a broad-sweeping plan that includes big changes to hisec to increase player retention, I have not, and will not -- ever support nerfs in a vacuum that only offer the nerf, never the stick. Ultimately, I just report, I am but one other (bored) dude on the internet. You however must decide what EvE is and will become, while the clock is clearly ticking on making your voices heard on several fronts. F I suppport the introduction of social groups because they will weed out all of the groups that would have dodged the wardec anyways. Corps after the change will have skin in the game in terms of in space assets, and will be less likely to close up shop when attacked. Sounds like a win for our game play to me.
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Leto Thule
Everywhere and Terrible
4121
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Posted - 2015.11.05 22:38:16 -
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Tengu Grib wrote:Mag's wrote:Nothing CCP does now comes as a surprise anymore, since their SP buying announcement that is.
While Eve may not be dying and could in fact live on for many years, it's core is. So I couldn't care less what they do anymore. I hear Elite Dangerous is producing more and more tears these days. (For clarification, I'm not telling you to leave, I'm saying if you do I might join you)
I already have an elite account and have been conducting piracy . hit me up.
Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6929
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Posted - 2015.11.06 00:06:45 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Tengu Grib wrote:Mag's wrote:Nothing CCP does now comes as a surprise anymore, since their SP buying announcement that is.
While Eve may not be dying and could in fact live on for many years, it's core is. So I couldn't care less what they do anymore. I hear Elite Dangerous is producing more and more tears these days. (For clarification, I'm not telling you to leave, I'm saying if you do I might join you) I already have an elite account and have been conducting piracy . hit me up. Out of curiosity, why do you guys go so ape about how terrible the idea of allowing "carebears" to have the ability to be "completely safe" would spell disaster and cause you to can your accounts, while elite offers that exact option (in a far bigger way than EVE ever will) and that's OK? Legitimate question.
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Leto Thule
Everywhere and Terrible
4121
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Posted - 2015.11.06 00:38:03 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Leto Thule wrote:Tengu Grib wrote:Mag's wrote:Nothing CCP does now comes as a surprise anymore, since their SP buying announcement that is.
While Eve may not be dying and could in fact live on for many years, it's core is. So I couldn't care less what they do anymore. I hear Elite Dangerous is producing more and more tears these days. (For clarification, I'm not telling you to leave, I'm saying if you do I might join you) I already have an elite account and have been conducting piracy . hit me up. Out of curiosity, why do you guys go so ape about how terrible the idea of allowing "carebears" to have the ability to be "completely safe" would spell disaster and cause you to can your accounts, while elite offers that exact option (in a far bigger way than EVE ever will) and that's OK? Legitimate question.
Well, for one thing, if someone is playing Elite in "open world" mode, there is a good chance they are welcoming encounters with others, be it friendly or hostile. Elite has segregated its carebears from the open world players in a way that accomodates both playstyles, and done so rather successfully. Elite will never be EVE, or have all the things we know and love about EVE, and I am hardly advocating leaving one for the other, just saying I play both games, and both can be fun for different reasons.
As for Elite, the risk/reward system is fully intact there, and there are no invincible space police (im not advocating removal of CONCORD by any means, just saying), allowing real piracy in virtually any system. It falls on the players to apprehend and eliminate pirates via a working bounty system (again, not knocking EVE, but the mechanics are different).
Then, finally, there is the fact that things in Elite arent being taken away as they are here. The opportunities seem to growing rather than shrinking. So while I totally understand where your question comes from, id have to TL/DR it down to the fact that id rather have content added than taken away. EVE has been sliding more towards the safe side lately, and thats not the game I am interested in playing.
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Areen Sassel
74
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Posted - 2015.11.06 01:20:45 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:What you posted was information from a CSM member. That is not CCP saying the will do X.
Feyd has taken a slightly subtler approach where someone from CCP saying they might do X is thrown into close proximity with a CSM member saying if X was done they'd like to see it done in a certain way.
I'd like to see social corps... in a certain way, but not the same way. If they provide no game mechanical advantage over NPC corps - no reduction in corp tax, etc, basically just an easier way of organising a chat channel - but could then become a real corp with all the issues thereof - sure, no bad idea. Certainly better than being in a one-human corp and dodging corp tax that way. |
Tengu Grib
Black Hydra Consortium.
1465
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Posted - 2015.11.06 01:30:10 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Leto Thule wrote:Tengu Grib wrote:Mag's wrote:Nothing CCP does now comes as a surprise anymore, since their SP buying announcement that is.
While Eve may not be dying and could in fact live on for many years, it's core is. So I couldn't care less what they do anymore. I hear Elite Dangerous is producing more and more tears these days. (For clarification, I'm not telling you to leave, I'm saying if you do I might join you) I already have an elite account and have been conducting piracy . hit me up. Out of curiosity, why do you guys go so ape about how terrible the idea of allowing "carebears" to have the ability to be "completely safe" would spell disaster and cause you to can your accounts, while elite offers that exact option (in a far bigger way than EVE ever will) and that's OK? Legitimate question. Well, for one thing, if someone is playing Elite in "open world" mode, there is a good chance they are welcoming encounters with others, be it friendly or hostile. Elite has segregated its carebears from the open world players in a way that accomodates both playstyles, and done so rather successfully. Elite will never be EVE, or have all the things we know and love about EVE, and I am hardly advocating leaving one for the other, just saying I play both games, and both can be fun for different reasons. As for Elite, the risk/reward system is fully intact there, and there are no invincible space police (im not advocating removal of CONCORD by any means, just saying), allowing real piracy in virtually any system. It falls on the players to apprehend and eliminate pirates via a working bounty system (again, not knocking EVE, but the mechanics are different). Then, finally, there is the fact that things in Elite arent being taken away as they are here. The opportunities seem to growing rather than shrinking. So while I totally understand where your question comes from, id have to TL/DR it down to the fact that id rather have content added than taken away. EVE has been sliding more towards the safe side lately, and thats not the game I am interested in playing.
To add to that, added safety, with content removed, and no similar content added in it's place.
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1505
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Posted - 2015.11.06 06:25:37 -
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Also, Fuel Rats best Rats.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Thermal Damage
Refit For Thermal Overheat.
103
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Posted - 2015.11.06 09:24:30 -
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Certain CSM members need firing with immediate effect
I was found guilty of Nitshe by the CoCaP
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6929
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Posted - 2015.11.06 11:06:18 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Well, for one thing, if someone is playing Elite in "open world" mode, there is a good chance they are welcoming encounters with others, be it friendly or hostile. Elite has segregated its carebears from the open world players in a way that accomodates both playstyles, and done so rather successfully. Elite will never be EVE, or have all the things we know and love about EVE, and I am hardly advocating leaving one for the other, just saying I play both games, and both can be fun for different reasons.
As for Elite, the risk/reward system is fully intact there, and there are no invincible space police (im not advocating removal of CONCORD by any means, just saying), allowing real piracy in virtually any system. It falls on the players to apprehend and eliminate pirates via a working bounty system (again, not knocking EVE, but the mechanics are different).
Then, finally, there is the fact that things in Elite arent being taken away as they are here. The opportunities seem to growing rather than shrinking. So while I totally understand where your question comes from, id have to TL/DR it down to the fact that id rather have content added than taken away. EVE has been sliding more towards the safe side lately, and thats not the game I am interested in playing. OK, that kinda makes sense, though it's strange that EVE adding a solo feature would be seen by most as the end of EVE while in elite it's not. Would you see it as a positive change if EVE gained more players by adding more abilities for carebears to do their own thing without being so aggressively attacked at the same times a loosening up the mechanical restrictions on PvP (like concord) for those who want to engage?
The biggest problem I see is that a lot of the "grr carebears" people want to have a ready pool of soft targets to gank, but don't want CCP to make changes that attract more carebears in the first place. Personally I'd be happy to see changes like: - Wardecs restricted to corps that opt in - Only opt-in corps and alliances able to place or attack structures in space. - Add player owned structures that tax local PvE players at rates set by the owners (up to a limit) - Reduce the effectiveness of bumping (because since it was buffed it's ridiculous) - Reduce highsec rewards - Move highsec incursions to lowsec - Drastically increase trading taxes (once citadels are out, with citadels having significantly reduced NPC tax) - Increase NPC contract costs and fees between opt-out and op-in war corps (so it enforces costs to use a safer hauler and industrialist)
I don't see a problem with people being able to play with reduced risk, I think they should just use carrots to get people to choose to take more risks rather than the current "THERE MUST BE ONLY STICKS" approach taken by a lot of players.
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Xai
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.11.06 11:37:47 -
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Opt-ins for war decs isn't a good idea. I would prefer to see simultaneous active war amounts capped and/or a big increase in dec fees. Even as a carebear corp in days of old, we'd occasionally dec someone for fun or profit.
I apologise in advance for being an NPC alt. I'm currently reinventing myself as a pvp pilot having carebeared for years and am starting afresh. Hopefully I'll be in a player corp soon. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1555
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Posted - 2015.11.06 13:07:29 -
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Xai wrote:Opt-ins for war decs isn't a good idea. I would prefer to see simultaneous active war amounts capped and/or a big increase in dec fees. Even as a carebear corp in days of old, we'd occasionally dec someone for fun or profit.
I apologise in advance for being an NPC alt. I'm currently reinventing myself as a pvp pilot having carebeared for years and am starting afresh. Hopefully I'll be in a player corp soon.
If you can fly a drake and want to pvp - send me a mail. If we're a good match we'll go forward to greatness from there. |
Tam Arai
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2015.11.06 13:17:20 -
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i thought that social corps were to make things easier for doing things like npsi roams like spectre fleet and rvb ganked. It was mainly to streamline the organization of community activities as i imagine some of it is a ballache to do without tools- corp fits, bookmarks, mail etc. It would make it easier to organise and execute something that many people think is valuable to the community
People could be members of various social corps to take part in roams etc but they would still actually remain in their official corp at all times |
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