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violtr
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.06 10:57:05 -
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Well been doing serp deds for about a yr now and i only do 7-10s. Out of nowhere my loot drops that i have been getting from them have been crap! Never had a span like this ever. Over the past 3 days i did 9 8's and 2 7's with little to show for it (other than expect bounties and boxes) and not a single vindy! No shadow sebo or any mods worth over 100m.
My avg earnings for what i normally make isk wise has dramatically decreased recently and has hit worse the past three days. Have they changed the loot drops or anything like that or did i have a really bad 3 days in a row. I know i cant get a vindy every other one but normally i wouldnt go over 2 days without seeing at least one with the amount of sites i would run.
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
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Posted - 2015.11.06 11:51:08 -
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Inb4 random is random / welcome to exploration / no data / etc.
A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
52138
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Posted - 2015.11.06 14:52:52 -
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Well, the Dev's just might be readjusting the loot table .......................... again.
Best to run some more sites for a couple of days and see if it remains the same. If not, then you just had a run of bad luck.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.11.06 15:50:40 -
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11 sites and nothing good? OMG! Call the press! Seriously, I've heard of people doing a lot more than that and not getting anything. Keep moving. |
Moses Aideron
Omnius Services Corporation
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Posted - 2015.11.07 17:49:17 -
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Well I have to agree with the OP.
I run a lot of Serpentis sites (albeit in hi and low sec) and there have been several times where nothing at all dropped. I ran 4 Serpentis Phi-Outposts about a week ago and each one of them only dropped the overseer effects and random modules that were not deadspace or faction modules. Similarly, I have either scanned or escalated into Serpentis Narcotics Warehouses that have dropped very little as well - one escalated into a nullsec system and it dropped only 3M ISK, most of which was the overseer effect. Absolute waste of time.
Just last night I ran the final escalation of Booster R&D and upon killing the drug escort BC, he dropped a Shadow Serpentis module worth 800K ISK and some drugs worth much less. If a site is taking you into the risky areas of space, the loot should be appropriately rewarding.
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
856
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Posted - 2015.11.07 19:54:35 -
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Moses Aideron wrote:Well I have to agree with the OP.
I run a lot of Serpentis sites (albeit in hi and low sec) and there have been several times where nothing at all dropped. I ran 4 Serpentis Phi-Outposts about a week ago and each one of them only dropped the overseer effects and random modules that were not deadspace or faction modules. Similarly, I have either scanned or escalated into Serpentis Narcotics Warehouses that have dropped very little as well - one escalated into a nullsec system and it dropped only 3M ISK, most of which was the overseer effect. Absolute waste of time.
Just last night I ran the final escalation of Booster R&D and upon killing the drug escort BC, he dropped a Shadow Serpentis module worth 800K ISK and some drugs worth much less. If a site is taking you into the risky areas of space, the loot should be appropriately rewarding.
The drops are random. They are not guaranteed. |
Moses Aideron
Omnius Services Corporation
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Posted - 2015.11.07 20:20:01 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Moses Aideron wrote:Well I have to agree with the OP.
I run a lot of Serpentis sites (albeit in hi and low sec) and there have been several times where nothing at all dropped. I ran 4 Serpentis Phi-Outposts about a week ago and each one of them only dropped the overseer effects and random modules that were not deadspace or faction modules. Similarly, I have either scanned or escalated into Serpentis Narcotics Warehouses that have dropped very little as well - one escalated into a nullsec system and it dropped only 3M ISK, most of which was the overseer effect. Absolute waste of time.
Just last night I ran the final escalation of Booster R&D and upon killing the drug escort BC, he dropped a Shadow Serpentis module worth 800K ISK and some drugs worth much less. If a site is taking you into the risky areas of space, the loot should be appropriately rewarding.
The drops are random. They are not guaranteed.
With all due respect, that is quite obvious. What I am arguing is that the drop rates should be improved. When you can just faceroll an incursion with relatively little risk to your ship (and guaranteed insurance options) it is non-sensical to have sites that require risking your ship (especially low and null) or require you to scan them down, and drop nothing at all.
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Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining Void..
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Posted - 2015.11.07 22:22:22 -
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That's a little bit different though. If drop rates were increased, then the value would drop anyway, and you'd be right back were you started. In incursions, you get straight isk so you don't have to worry about it devaluing (plus some LP, which has been devaluing over the years). |
Moses Aideron
Omnius Services Corporation
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Posted - 2015.11.08 03:38:59 -
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Sheeth Athonille wrote:That's a little bit different though. If drop rates were increased, then the value would drop anyway, and you'd be right back were you started. In incursions, you get straight isk so you don't have to worry about it devaluing (plus some LP, which has been devaluing over the years).
That might be so, but I think it isn't that far a stretch to say that going deep into nullsec for an expedition to drop 3M ISK is quite unreasonable given the current status of a hi-sec incursion.
Sure the value may drop, but it isn't going to drop so much that it would be worse than getting a crappy 3M ISK in overseer effects. |
Rutger Centemus
Burning Napalm Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2015.11.08 11:14:08 -
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Moses Aideron wrote:Sheeth Athonille wrote:That's a little bit different though. If drop rates were increased, then the value would drop anyway, and you'd be right back were you started. In incursions, you get straight isk so you don't have to worry about it devaluing (plus some LP, which has been devaluing over the years). That might be so, but I think it isn't that far a stretch to say that going deep into nullsec for an expedition to drop 3M ISK is quite unreasonable given the current status of a hi-sec incursion. Sure the value may drop, but it isn't going to drop so much that it would be worse than getting a crappy 3M ISK in overseer effects. Phi-Outpost Is a 4/10, those are generally found in high- and lowsec - are you talking about those or trying to support the guy complaining after a relatively small number of 0.0 complexes...? |
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Moses Aideron
Omnius Services Corporation
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Posted - 2015.11.08 15:51:32 -
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The OP was talking about the loot tables, not a lack of sites in 0.0. Also he said he ran about 11 sites, I would not call that a low number.
I was only mentioning what I found in 4 phi-outposts I ran as an example to support his claim, and I also indicated that this happens in expeditions into low and null as well.
If you're going into low and null to run these sites and are at risk of people hunting you down, they should at least be consistent in giving you something. I cited several examples where they dropped absolutely nothing at all. Your point about devaluation of the mods has some credit to it but at the end of the day getting the module is still better than giving someone nothing but overseer effects. |
violtr
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.09 04:12:35 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Well, the Dev's just might be readjusting the loot table .......................... again.
Best to run some more sites for a couple of days and see if it remains the same. If not, then you just had a run of bad luck.
DMC
Well, just got 3 more done so now im up to 11 prison camps, 2 para mil outposts, and 1 shipyard. Still have not seen a vindy bpc or an outstanding drop since the start of my bad drops. I have been doing this for some time and i under stand that there is no guarantee of great drops everytime. My point is ive done enough of these to know that the amount i have done at this point over a week period is suggesting something has changed or is wrong. I have gone on bad spells for numerous sites but not even close to the amount im up to now. I even have a few friends that have also reported the same issue.
Ill be back out tonight and do some more if i can find some and see what happens. |
Puddsy
Puddsy Corp Phoebe Freeport Republic
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Posted - 2015.11.09 05:50:45 -
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I did a few 7s and 8s today and my loot has been normal.
-Puddsy
CEO of Puddsy Corp
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violtr
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.09 07:07:43 -
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Puddsy wrote:I did a few 7s and 8s today and my loot has been normal.
which ones are u doing and how many did u do exactly? Did u find a vindy bpc? |
Endecroix
Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2015.11.09 14:11:59 -
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I am finding the same too. I keep track of what drops over time and the drops for rated, unrated escalations and BPC drops are all down to a level where the decrease registers as statistically significant. Now I've had this happen before to one area - eg BPC stopped dropping a while back - but never to this extent across all.
I'll keep an eye on it over time. Best not to get too superstitious about such things. |
Moses Aideron
Omnius Services Corporation
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Posted - 2015.11.09 14:55:09 -
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For what it's worth - just ran another Serpentis Phi-Outpost and all the battleship dropped was the overseer effects...
Nothing else of note - just one other trash module. |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.11.09 14:57:52 -
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violtr wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Well, the Dev's just might be readjusting the loot table .......................... again.
Best to run some more sites for a couple of days and see if it remains the same. If not, then you just had a run of bad luck.
DMC Well, just got 4 more done so now im up to 12 prison camps, 2 para mil outposts, and 1 shipyard. Still have not seen a vindy bpc or an outstanding drop since the start of my bad drops. I have been doing this for some time and i under stand that there is no guarantee of great drops everytime. My point is ive done enough of these to know that the amount i have done at this point over a week period is suggesting something has changed or is wrong. I have gone on bad spells for numerous sites but not even close to the amount im up to now. I even have a few friends that have also reported the same issue. Ill be back out tonight and do some more if i can find some and see what happens.
Random. Also, you are running anoms in one of the most trafficked nullsec space there is. You might be hitting a bad patch, and someone else is getting good drops. The pendulum will swing back to you....eventually.
And to the person thinking nullsec space should have more guaranteed drops because your risk is greater, NO. Your risk is not greater. In fact the person running sites in lowsec runs a greater risk than you. By your reasoning, they should get better drops. Also, Vindi BPCs only drop in nullsec, so you are already getting better drops. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2015.11.09 14:58:58 -
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imo npc nullsec needs buffed bigtime
Recruiting V I R I I Small Gang Nullsec PVP
Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic | Angel Cartel | Serpentis |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
52145
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Posted - 2015.11.09 15:31:36 -
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Well, I wouldn't be surprised if CCP has once again adjusted the loot table down.
Of course CCP won't say anything about it. In my opinion CCP basically counts on other players who don't know anything about it to post the go-to answer - RNG - which can't be proven. On top of that whenever players start posting about lack of loot drops, those players who state RNG usually dismiss the amount presented as the basis of the claim and often request a larger sample size.
I've seen it happen quite often in my 7 1/2 years of playing this game.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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violtr
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.09 20:18:26 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:
Random. Also, you are running anoms in one of the most trafficked nullsec space there is. You might be hitting a bad patch, and someone else is getting good drops. The pendulum will swing back to you....eventually.
May i ask how did u determine where i am running my ded sites?
Also, I never stated where i was doing them and deds are not anoms, they are cosmic sigs which means they have to be scanned big difference please dont troll if u dont know what your talking about.
Another note im doing my sites in sov null, not npc null. I just did another 8 which dropped the box and a core b type hardner.
up to 13 prisons, 2 para, and 1 shipyard now. |
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Endecroix
Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2015.11.09 22:38:07 -
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Same again tonight. I also forgot to mention that the one of the sites geography has changed. Maybe it randomly moved and when I do it next it will be back where it was pre-patch! |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
859
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Posted - 2015.11.09 22:41:49 -
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violtr wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:
Random. Also, you are running anoms in one of the most trafficked nullsec space there is. You might be hitting a bad patch, and someone else is getting good drops. The pendulum will swing back to you....eventually.
May i ask how did u determine where i am running my ded sites? Also, I never stated where i was doing them and deds are not anoms, they are cosmic sigs which means they have to be scanned big difference please dont troll if u dont know what your talking about. Another note im doing my sites in sov null, not npc null. I just did another 8 which dropped the box and a core b type hardner. up to 13 prisons, 2 para, and 1 shipyard now.
By the loot you "think" you should be getting. Loot means you are in Serpentis nullsec or lowsec space. Serpentis loot only drops in Gallente space, syndicate space, or serpentis space. |
violtr
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.09 23:00:21 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:
By the loot you "think" you should be getting. Loot means you are in Serpentis nullsec or lowsec space. Serpentis loot only drops in Gallente space, syndicate space, or serpentis space.
No, im not doing deds in syndicate space and deds 7-10 only spawn in null sec, not low. As said before i am doing them in sov space which syndicate is npc null, not sov null therefore im not doing my sites there. I am doing them in sov null space and the region i do them actually does not have much traffic at all in certain areas. Deep in this region u can go on for hrs and not see people. |
Gadullin Fellencourt
What Could Go Wrong Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2015.11.10 02:22:32 -
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http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSN0925619220070816
Blame this guy. |
Gadullin Fellencourt
What Could Go Wrong Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2015.11.10 02:23:26 -
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http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSN0925619220070816
Blame this guy. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1808
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Posted - 2015.11.10 08:15:11 -
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violtr wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:
By the loot you "think" you should be getting. Loot means you are in Serpentis nullsec or lowsec space. Serpentis loot only drops in Gallente space, syndicate space, or serpentis space.
No, im not doing deds in syndicate space and deds 7-10 only spawn in null sec, not low. As said before i am doing them in sov space which syndicate is npc null, not sov null therefore im not doing my sites there. I am doing them in sov null space and the region i do them actually does not have much traffic at all in certain areas. Deep in this region u can go on for hrs and not see people.
well count yourself lucky you can get so many ded's, npc nullsec you would be lucky to get a couple a week
Recruiting V I R I I Small Gang Nullsec PVP
Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic | Angel Cartel | Serpentis |
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
859
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Posted - 2015.11.10 14:36:30 -
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violtr wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:
By the loot you "think" you should be getting. Loot means you are in Serpentis nullsec or lowsec space. Serpentis loot only drops in Gallente space, syndicate space, or serpentis space.
No, im not doing deds in syndicate space and deds 7-10 only spawn in null sec, not low. As said before i am doing them in sov space which syndicate is npc null, not sov null therefore im not doing my sites there. I am doing them in sov null space and the region i do them actually does not have much traffic at all in certain areas. Deep in this region u can go on for hrs and not see people.
Then stop complaining. Even if you aren't getting good loot, you are still getting good bounty ticks with less risk. HTFU. |
Endecroix
Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2015.11.10 14:37:00 -
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Site geography back to pre Parallax. We'll see whether that has any bearing on drop rates. |
violtr
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.10 21:31:39 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:violtr wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:
By the loot you "think" you should be getting. Loot means you are in Serpentis nullsec or lowsec space. Serpentis loot only drops in Gallente space, syndicate space, or serpentis space.
No, im not doing deds in syndicate space and deds 7-10 only spawn in null sec, not low. As said before i am doing them in sov space which syndicate is npc null, not sov null therefore im not doing my sites there. I am doing them in sov null space and the region i do them actually does not have much traffic at all in certain areas. Deep in this region u can go on for hrs and not see people. Then stop complaining. Even if you aren't getting good loot, you are still getting good bounty ticks with less risk. HTFU.
This post wasnt a complaint im trying to figure out if indeed the tables have been changed and if so i may do a different means of making isk/safer more consistent. Please have constructive comments related to the thread. This thread was nothing about the number of sites or what kind of space the sites spawned in or ticks. If i wanted great ticks id get in my carrier and do anoms!
Im just trying to figure out if players across eve are having the same issues which is a good way to find out. People are getting off topic the thread wasnt about the number of sites but if people are experiencing a difference in drops. So, im looking for people who are actively running sites and getting drops not people just posting stuff and not even running sites what so ever, and pointing fingers saying im having bad luck but clearly im not the only one atm. |
Lulu Lunette
Blue Aurochs United Systems of Aridia
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Posted - 2015.11.10 21:44:22 -
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I've done no charting or keeping track of the loot drops but I've also noticed such a string of bad luck when I was doing Serpentis 3 and 4/10's. Was so bad I've sorta stopped doing them. Remarkably bad.
Maybe when you do them too often the loot tables adjust just for you? (Talking off the cuff here.)
@lunettelulu7
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