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Hal Morsh
Hmmzor. Battlecruisin' Space Goats
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Posted - 2015.11.08 15:48:28 -
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When manual piloting came out I fiddled with it even though everyone else was whining at it's uselessness.
Now I tinker with it from time to time when I get baked but today I noticed something. When I took an incursus out to fly to a station for a contract I had to wait for someone akf to tell me where the station was, and so I went to a pve combat site with a pvp incursus.
Lone behold I learned if I lock the camera into the custom position so both my ship and the enemies ship is on screen, you can tell the movements of the enemy ship relative to your ship and how fast its going. Just have to pay attention to your own speed and the rotation of space/your ship to see where hes going relative to you, and how fast.
This is usefull to me because when I learned enemy speed could be listed I got all excited untill it ended up cluttering my view some more. So I never used it. But this turns spaceships into practically world of space ships gameplay wise, with a lot more clicky micromanagement. ( unless you already use hotkeys too for your modules)
The hard part is resisting the urge to SPIN THE SCREEN, because then you have to relock the camera and lose out on the stuff you were paying attention to. It's enlightening to play EVE different, and I would assume learning to actually pilot manually would give you an edge on fighting head to head.
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
735
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Posted - 2015.11.08 15:55:02 -
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The one drawback is it can be tricky to get transversal movement going.
I have been playing with a polarized fit confessor of late so essentially no tank. Transversal is vital. But the C control is nice for tackle and such as it really makes it easier to corkscrew in.
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
17204
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Posted - 2015.11.08 18:55:27 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:
Lone behold
"Lo and behold!"
See also:
Per se
For all intents and purposes
Voila
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.11.08 19:34:15 -
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Manual piloting done right can avoid those jerky automatic stop and orbit in another direction behaviours. There was a good click tutorial about halving your screen distance from your enemy for orbiting in also. Some of that may apply to manual key controls.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Portmanteau
oooh ponies
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Posted - 2015.11.08 21:23:02 -
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Malcanis wrote:Hal Morsh wrote:
Lone behold
"Lo and behold!" See also: Per se For all intents and purposesVoila
I could care less how you interpretate these expressionisms, you should loose the rediculous attitude.
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Otso Bakarti
Filial Pariahs
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Posted - 2015.11.08 22:07:00 -
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Portmanteau wrote:Malcanis wrote:Hal Morsh wrote:
Lone behold
"Lo and behold!" See also: Per se For all intents and purposesVoila I could care less how you interpretate these expressionisms, you should loose the rediculous attitude. Nothing more ridiculous than not knowing your own slang. Lo and behold! Lo and behold! Lookin' for my lo and behold. Unless, of course, it's not giving a flying F about your language itself. "Should OF" - for "should have" - a sign people think they can learn a language from listening to it, and don't need to READ. My favorite is turning "buck naked" into "butt naked" - some sort of fixation has to be working there cool guys. (Don't get me started on their/they're/there - Like, man, like if you can't say what you mean, how can you mean what you say?)
OH YEAH, THE OP! Thanks for the tip!
"I bought myself a herd of moose she could call her own."
Fear of death follows from fear of life. A man who lives fully is prepared to die at any time. -Mark Twain -
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.11.08 22:17:58 -
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Gramma is for posh types that go to Rester Rants and eat Horses Doovies. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
2376
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Posted - 2015.11.08 22:22:55 -
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Tone it down grammar police. No wonder these forums are so quiet with all the antagonising each other and general hostility.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
14948
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Posted - 2015.11.08 23:00:32 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Tone it down grammar police.
No. Readability is critical to discourse.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2377
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Posted - 2015.11.08 23:16:09 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Tone it down grammar police. No. Readability is critical to discourse. "I think you meant to say, 'X, Y and Z'," versus, "Man you people are so stupid using words that you can't spell. LOL!!!"
Tone down != cease and desist.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Hal Morsh
Hmmzor. Battlecruisin' Space Goats
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Posted - 2015.11.08 23:27:47 -
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Otso Bakarti wrote:Portmanteau wrote:Malcanis wrote:Hal Morsh wrote:
Lone behold
"Lo and behold!" See also: Per se For all intents and purposesVoila I could care less how you interpretate these expressionisms, you should loose the rediculous attitude. Nothing more ridiculous than not knowing your own slang. Lo and behold! Lo and behold! Lookin' for my lo and behold. Unless, of course, it's not giving a flying F about your language itself. "Should OF" - for "should have" - a sign people think they can learn a language from listening to it, and don't need to READ. My favorite is turning "buck naked" into "butt naked" - some sort of fixation has to be working there cool guys. (Don't get me started on their/they're/there - Like, man, like if you can't say what you mean, how can you mean what you say?)OH YEAH, THE OP! Thanks for the tip! "I bought myself a herd of moose she could call her own."
Theiry're tirablges aren't poyntea.
Now wadr'ya gona do?
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Hal Morsh
Hmmzor. Battlecruisin' Space Goats
429
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Posted - 2015.11.08 23:35:33 -
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Lone behold I learned if I lock the camera into the custom position so both my ship and the enemies ship is on screen, "you" can tell the movements of the enemy ship relative to "your" ship and how fast its going.
I change the "you" into an "i" then the "your" to a "my", and it fixes your issue. Go away.
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Marsha Mallow
2725
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Posted - 2015.11.08 23:54:56 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:Lone behold Try 'Look and behold' or 'Low and behold' for maximum nerdrage. It's not etymologically incorrect and there is a reason for the conflation in usage.
Malcanis wrote:ForTo all intents and purposesVoila Voil+á
Good tip though. I didn't realise the camera could be used like that.
Knowing they have more SP than I do isnGÇÖt going to stop me from taking the fight if I was going to take it.
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Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1615
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Posted - 2015.11.09 02:13:55 -
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Portmanteau wrote:Malcanis wrote:Hal Morsh wrote:
Lone behold
"Lo and behold!" See also: Per se For all intents and purposesVoila I could care less how you interpretate these expressionisms, you should loose the rediculous attitude.
Couldn't* |
Spruillo
Spruillo Corp
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Posted - 2015.11.09 03:50:09 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Portmanteau wrote:Malcanis wrote:Hal Morsh wrote:
Lone behold
"Lo and behold!" See also: Per se For all intents and purposesVoila I could care less how you interpretate these expressionisms, you should loose the rediculous attitude. Couldn't* HE IMPLIED THAT HE COULD CARE LESS, THUS IMPLYING THE POSSIBILITY OF CARING TO SOME SLIGHT DEGREE AT THE LEAST. HET UR GRAMMER STRAIGHT
PLAYIN SPACE TRUCKS VROOM VROOM
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Moon Moon Burdy
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
134
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Posted - 2015.11.09 04:00:31 -
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My takeaway from this thread is that manual piloting can be easier performed if one uses a custom camera control. Also, this information pales in relevancy and importance to proper English grammar.
Thanks, OP. Thanks grammar-CONCORD.
Fly eloquently, spacefriends.
Moon
Things that went boom
Storytime with Moon Moon New stories (almost) daily!
Promising Young Murderer, Education Appreciated.
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Maekchu
Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2015.11.09 05:40:00 -
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Manual piloting (using the keyboard) is useless as ever, since everything can already be done better using the mouse.
But I learned a lot about grammar. Thank You GD.
Any linguistics out there that can recommend some grammar books for people who want to improve their language? :D |
Portmanteau
oooh ponies
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Posted - 2015.11.09 06:00:54 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Portmanteau wrote:Malcanis wrote:Hal Morsh wrote:
Lone behold
"Lo and behold!" See also: Per se For all intents and purposesVoila I could care less how you interpretate these expressionisms, you should loose the rediculous attitude. Couldn't*
Woosh ! |
Otso Bakarti
Filial Pariahs
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Posted - 2015.11.09 06:08:36 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Tone it down grammar police. No wonder these forums are so quiet with all the antagonising each other and general hostility. Hostility? Now, don't read things into things, thingwise that is. The forum is quiet due to the departure of many who are missed. Some real lively discussion about the game used to occur here. Your post would be on page three in less than a day even WITH responses. NOW? Lethargy. Lethargy due to bad GRAMMAR!! (<--- like these two partial clauses, as well as this one.)
Fear of death follows from fear of life. A man who lives fully is prepared to die at any time. -Mark Twain -
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
443
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Posted - 2015.11.09 06:20:41 -
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after figuring out how those controls work.i started using them more.
it helps in pve, in pvp i am not sure.
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
17214
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Posted - 2015.11.09 08:09:17 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Tone it down grammar police. No wonder these forums are so quiet with all the antagonising each other and general hostility.
You don't get to tone police me or tell me what I can get mad about.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
446
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Posted - 2015.11.10 04:28:12 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:It's enlightening to play EVE different, and I would assume learning to actually pilot manually would give you an edge on fighting head to head. Thanks for the tip. I'd forgotten about manual piloting but I may play around with it again.
What key mapping do you use?
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7197
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Posted - 2015.11.10 19:01:57 -
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One thing I wonder about is this:
If you are stationary and trying to hit a ship with traversal that beats your turrets, but then on the next pass (assuming you are being orbited) you turn in the same direction of travel as the target, does this cancel out that traversal speed to some effect? For example, if the traversal is 200 M/s but I'm turning on a short radius such that at the range of the target, the distance from the point on which I make my turn, my point of impact is moving at 200 M/s, have I, through making that turn, cancelled the traversal?
I ask this because this could make manual piloting more viable, but I have noticed at times that I can hit stuff better when trying to turn with the target, but never confirmed this or had solid evidence (nor time to research).
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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ISD Supogo
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
514
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Posted - 2015.11.11 01:40:48 -
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Removed a bunch of off-topic and trolling posts.
Quote:Forum rules2. Be respectful toward others at all times.The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others. 5. Trolling is prohibited.Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. 23. Post constructively.Negative feedback can be very useful to further improve EVE Online provided that it is presented in a civil and factual manner. All users are encouraged to honestly express their feelings regarding EVE Online and how it can be improved. Posts that are non-constructive, insulting or in breach of the rules will be deleted regardless of how valid the ideas behind them may be. Users are also reminded that posting with a lack of content also constitutes non-constructive posting. 27. Off-topic posting is prohibited.Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster.
ISD Supogo
Lieutenant Commander
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2385
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Posted - 2015.11.14 11:37:22 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:... you turn in the same direction of travel as the target, does this cancel out that traversal speed to some effect? .... Yes. I have seen really good pilots use a dreadnaught to hit an enemy frigate or cruiser. It does require the smaller ship to be on an almost direct approach for the small transversal to be negated to almost zero, as a dreadnaught can't go very fast, however.
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