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Halp Pl0x
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.08 21:36:47 -
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My current situation is this:
Account 1 -> Main & Trade Alt Account 2 -> Scanning/Blockade Runner Alt
I wasn't really utilizing my trade alt, and realized just sitting on billions of ISK is probably a bad idea. After I started station trading I realized just how important standings are.
Eventually I want to transfer my trade alt to my scanning alt account so I can do some market things when waiting on action with my main, but for now I want to get standings up. I don't really want to use my main to grind standings (have to come out of a wormhole, etc), but will if it is much faster. My scanning alt has Gallente frigate 5 and can also fly transport ships (no T2 guns or drones, terrible fitting skills, and bad tank/support skills, but could inject assault frigates easily enough).
Questions:
-Would my best approach be to do distribution missions on my alt?
-In addition, how are standings shared while in a fleet?
-Do social skills affect this the same?
-Do I need to gather the missions on my trade alt, or can my scanning alt grab them? I dont have a lot of experience in fleet missioning.
-What kind of time scale are we talking to get both faction and corporation standings high?
-Is it possible to get both sides high? For example, if I wanted to do Jita/Amarr and Hek/Dodixie/Rens?
Thanks for the help! |
voetius
Quiet Days in Clichy
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Posted - 2015.11.08 22:21:36 -
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-Would my best approach be to do distribution missions on my alt?
Distribution missions *can* be faster than security, but, you will need to use a DST, you probably want to fit it with hyperspace rigs and use some ascendency implants. Additionally, and importantly, it helps if you can pick your location. E.g. for Caldari (Jita) you can go to Jatate and run L3 and L4 couriers down a one-way pipe so all your missions go the same way and with a DST you can snag 3 - 5 at a time with standings to House of Records and Propel.
-In addition, how are standings shared while in a fleet?
If you want them to be, yes. You have a choice. But if you are "boosting" someone then you will want to share standings
-Do social skills affect this the same?
They affect the person *taking* the mission
-Do I need to gather the missions on my trade alt, or can my scanning alt grab them? I dont have a lot of experience in fleet missioning.
Doesn't matter, which ever works better, you can share or not share. Not sharing only makes sense if you are pulling missions with one character and getting the other to do the heavy lifting.
-What kind of time scale are we talking to get both faction and corporation standings high?
How long is a piece of string? You would do well to look at the Faction Standing Repair Plan. It is stickied in the Missions forum. You can pay people to boost your standings, see Imiarr 's post in Missions & Complexes.
For *security* missions, I can give you some figures. It took me about 4 hours blitzing L2 security missions with Connections IV on a fairly new character to get access to L3 missions. And L3 security missions are faster for standings gains that distro.
-Is it possible to get both sides high? For example, if I wanted to do Jita/Amarr and Hek/Dodixie/Rens?
Sort of, but it will be a long term aim due to the way standings are balanced. And the ability to maintain high standing to all factions may be taken away in the next year or two - see the dev blogs.
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2015.11.08 23:28:00 -
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Still one of the best ways I know to build or repair standings. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Faction_Standing_Repair_Plan
As always a tip of the hat to DMC and the rest for taking time to work this out and post it.
In a fleet standings can be shared between all members, well up to 10 of them anyway so there really is no real difference if the missions are drawn from agents by your main or your alt. I suggest getting one for each from the same agent, run both then come back, turn in and repeat the process. |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2015.11.08 23:31:12 -
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Halp Pl0x
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.09 03:07:58 -
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Thanks for the replies so far. 3 more questions:
-Does the security status of a system affect standings gains (the LP/ISK is nice, but for me the more important factor is gaining standings)?
-Based on a reply earlier, let's say I do missions for Federation Navy (I think I may go ahead and transfer my alt and blitz L3s using my main...I think I can accept a mission with my main and alt and do both of them on my main), and get my standings to where I like them (including storyline). If I start doing Caldari Navy after this, will the storyline missions not tank my Gallente standings?
-What do most people consider reasonable standings goals for this endeavor? I doubt 10 corp/10 faction is remotely reasonable. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.11.09 03:41:32 -
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One of the better ways to pump Gallante without effecting Caldari too badly is run SOE missons.
SOE storylines give a large boost to Gallante and only a small hit to Caldari/Amarr.
Note that if you are trying to balance standings alternate between factions so you do not inadvertently tank one faction too severely and create a hole for yourself. |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2015.11.09 15:10:58 -
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Halp Pl0x wrote:Thanks for the replies so far. 3 more questions:
-Does the security status of a system affect standings gains (the LP/ISK is nice, but for me the more important factor is gaining standings)?
-Based on a reply earlier, let's say I do missions for Federation Navy (I think I may go ahead and transfer my alt and blitz L3s using my main...I think I can accept a mission with my main and alt and do both of them on my main), and get my standings to where I like them (including storyline). If I start doing Caldari Navy after this, will the storyline missions not tank my Gallente standings?
-What do most people consider reasonable standings goals for this endeavor? I doubt 10 corp/10 faction is remotely reasonable. Note on the missions first. In order to have your main run the missions your alt / alts draw from agents you will have to make your alt the squad. wing or fleet commander since they will have to warp your main into the pocket. If you have any concern about your alt getting into a mission pocket I suggest a small practice session so you can warp and the stop your alt while your main warps on to mission.
If you want to keep your standings high to all factions then you are in for a long haul and a lot of missions and a lot of moving around to various parts of space to fly missions in. It is far from the only way to do it but here is the method most players I know prefer.
ALWAYS and I do mean ALWAYS decline any mission that has you fighting against one of the 4 major factions and that includes story line missions. A general guideline using Gallente and Caldari as examples. For every faction mission you run against Caldari you will have to go to a Caldari agent and run 2 against the Gallente to recover the the Caldari standings loss. I think you can imagine what that does to your Gallente. Not sure if a mission is against one of the 4 majors then look it up in EvE Survival they will list the factions you will be fighting NPC or otherwise.
Set up a rotation and follow it using your story lines as the triggers to rotate. Every 2nd or every 3rd story line you recieve rotate to the next faction and repeat. Here is an example. Run the second story line for a Gallente agent then moce to Caldari. 2nd story line move to Minmatar. You get the idea and just keep rotating through the factions.
Distribution missions are excellent companions to security missions in many ways. Give you a break from the grind of security missions. With a cloaky hauler it is far easier to run distribution missions under a war dec than it is to run security missions because it is harder for them to catch you if you are a capable cloaky ppilot. If your security agents give your main and your alt faction missions you can continue to work on standings gains by running them without the penalties for declining missions.
And last is that whole declining a mission thing. You can decline 1 mission every 4 hours from each agent with no standings penalties. So having multiple agents in the same area either security or distribution helps a lot in these situations. Many wil tell you not to worry about declining missions and in some cases that is the truth. However if your goal is to build standings with all 4 factions it is not a wise idea to continually decline missions.
For each mission you decline that results in a standing penalty on average you will need to run between 2 and 4 more missions to recover those standings penalties. Not a bad thing overall since all the missions still count towards your next story line but something you need to be aware of anyway. |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2015.11.09 15:25:54 -
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Separate post for the standings question.
+10 standing to a single NPC corp is not all that hard to accomplish it just takes time and a lot of missions.
+10 standing to NPC corps affiliated with all 4 major factions is also relatively easy to accomplish if you are willing to spent the time.
+10 standings to any one faction is possible and I have seen characters that have it but the real question is does it matter other than for bragging rights?
+10 standings to 2 or more of the major factions while technically possible depending on which 2. To me the time required would make this impossible unless you were willing to dedicate all your EvE time simply to building standings.
In a broad general sense as long as you can freely fly into all areas of space you can do what ever you want wherever you want to do it so in this regard keeping your standings up is actually very easy.
To really answer your questions about standings we would need to know what do you want to do in the game, other than stress over standings. |
Halp Pl0x
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.09 16:11:07 -
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My problem is, every time I start an endeavor I want to go balls to the wall. After taking a deep breath, I realized I only want this to supplement my pvp losses, and I think just focusing on a single hub is good enough for me, and simplifies things a lot. I guess worst case scenario, I make another trade alt focused purely on Jita at a later date. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2015.11.09 21:21:00 -
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voetius wrote:-Would my best approach be to do distribution missions on my alt?
Distribution missions *can* be faster than security, but, you will need to use a DST, you probably want to fit it with hyperspace rigs and use some ascendency implants. Additionally, and importantly, it helps if you can pick your location. E.g. for Caldari (Jita) you can go to Jatate and run L3 and L4 couriers down a one-way pipe so all your missions go the same way and with a DST you can snag 3 - 5 at a time with standings to House of Records and Propel. A fully cargo expanded Magnate (Amarr T1 frigate) is sufficient for most level 3 courier missions, which are also the recommended level. The Magnate is quick to train, as are the three skills to fit it. |
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Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium.
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Posted - 2015.11.09 23:38:40 -
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IIRC, getting a faction to player standing of 8 takes about 20-25 storyline missions, which is a hell of a lot.
COSMOS missions are a much better approach.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.11.10 01:45:00 -
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Getting both sides up is doable but not easy.
First you can not take any faction kill missions.
Don't forget the level 4 epic arcs that each faction has one of that can be run quarterly. They give a good faction boost with no derived standing hit.
Also don't forget the "pirate" factions with high derived standings for one with low negative derived hits for the other. Factions like SoE or Ammatar are examples. |
Halp Pl0x
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.10 02:14:11 -
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Great replies guys, does security status of an agent affect standings increases (I know they do for LP/ISK, but not sure for standings)? |
Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium.
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Posted - 2015.11.10 02:39:58 -
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Halp Pl0x wrote:Great replies guys, does security status of an agent affect standings increases (I know they do for LP/ISK, but not sure for standings)?
Yes. L4 missions generally bring you 5-9% of the way from your present standing toward 10 (so if you are at 5, and you do a mission with a reward of 8%, you go 8% of the way from 5 to 10, or to 5 + 0.08 (10-5) = 5.4).
Lower level missions offer lower % increases.
L3s are still faster overall IIRC because you can do them so damn fast.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
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Halp Pl0x
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.10 03:49:25 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Halp Pl0x wrote:Great replies guys, does security status of an agent affect standings increases (I know they do for LP/ISK, but not sure for standings)? Yes. L4 missions generally bring you 5-9% of the way from your present standing toward 10 (so if you are at 5, and you do a mission with a reward of 8%, you go 8% of the way from 5 to 10, or to 5 + 0.08 (10-5) = 5.4). Lower level missions offer lower % increases. L3s are still faster overall IIRC because you can do them so damn fast.
Sorry, actually meant security status of a system. Like if I found a quiet corner and did L3s in 0.1 using a sentry Stratios for example.
I am thinking this may not be worth it regardless. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium.
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Posted - 2015.11.10 04:28:47 -
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Oh system truesec? That I cannot answer but it isn't hard to test.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
5512
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Posted - 2015.11.10 18:16:07 -
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Halp Pl0x wrote:Sorry, actually meant security status of a system. Like if I found a quiet corner and did L3s in 0.1 using a sentry Stratios for example.
I am thinking this may not be worth it regardless. It does, but you won't notice the difference.
More important is that a higher-sec system is likely to be further from lowsec. Typically one wants to be 4 jumps or further away, but that drops with mission level. |
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