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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
860
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Posted - 2015.11.12 22:56:53 -
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Reah Darknorth wrote:what is your point?
i guess we could pay someone to follow us in a tengu. i mean its possible. but what does that matter? we can still train an alt and do it ourselves, or buy one from the character bazaar, and links are still broken.
and my reaction is "exactly why people do have an extra account with an OGB alt." ?
what does that even mean? im pretty sure people use links because they are advantageous in pvp.
some of you need to try writing down actual coherent thoughts that pertain to the discussion.
The point is, if people don't want to fly them, but the ship and mods are available in game; then people will find a work around.
Except for people admitting they have an OGB alt, no one has a way of telling if someone is multiboxing, or if it is another pilot. |
Arla Sarain
698
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Posted - 2015.11.12 23:24:49 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:yea the gallente and minmitar ones look like they will be the most popular. wish i had more info All stats and fitting slots on SISI actually.
Looks like T1 level DPS if not lower. T1 Corax actually gets about 16% more deeps over the new one.
Good thing there is no linking/MJDing catalyst xD |
Reah Darknorth
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2015.11.12 23:47:44 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:
The point is, if people don't want to fly them, but the ship and mods are available in game; then people will find a work around.
Except for people admitting they have an OGB alt, no one has a way of telling if someone is multiboxing, or if it is another pilot.
your posts are barely intelligible. and you still havent made a point. a point would be something like, "links are fine". you havent actually made one, youve just typed words and pressed "enter".
what you seem to be saying is that afk t3 boosters are some kind of "work around". but an afk alt that sits in a safe spot and provides 10 billion isk worth of statistical combat advantages to his fleet, is not a work around. i dare say it almost seems as if they were specifically designed to work this way, and even if they werent, they still have to be seen as a problem, because they do work this way, and theyre really good at it too.
youre right that no one has a way of telling if someone is multiboxing, or if it's another pilot. this is true, but what is your point? the afk t3 alt could be another player. the afk t3 alt could even be good friends with the guy he is boosting, doing it for free just because he likes his friend. who knows. but the afk t3 alt could also be just an afk t3 alt, purchased from the character bazaar specifically for the act of boosting someones main character in pvp, from a safe spot, afk.
and links are still broken. |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
860
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Posted - 2015.11.13 01:40:13 -
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Reah Darknorth wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:
The point is, if people don't want to fly them, but the ship and mods are available in game; then people will find a work around.
Except for people admitting they have an OGB alt, no one has a way of telling if someone is multiboxing, or if it is another pilot.
your posts are barely intelligible. and you still havent made a point. a point would be something like, "links are fine". you havent actually made one, youve just typed words and pressed "enter". what you seem to be saying is that afk t3 boosters are some kind of "work around". but an afk alt that sits in a safe spot and provides 10 billion isk worth of statistical combat advantages to his fleet, is not a work around. i dare say it almost seems as if they were specifically designed to work this way, and even if they werent, they still have to be seen as a problem, because they do work this way, and theyre really good at it too. youre right that no one has a way of telling if someone is multiboxing, or if it's another pilot. this is true, but what is your point? the afk t3 alt could be another player. the afk t3 alt could even be good friends with the guy he is boosting, doing it for free just because he likes his friend. who knows. but the afk t3 alt could also be just an afk t3 alt, purchased from the character bazaar specifically for the act of boosting someones main character in pvp, from a safe spot, afk. and links are still broken.
Intelligible? At least the words I type have capitalization where needed and correct punctuation. Now you'll probably reply with some crap that you posted from your phone.
The bottomline is this is EVE. It's a cold, harsh, universe. Some people know how to deal with OGBs, and some don't. You are probably in the latter. Adapt, die, or GTFO. |
BABARR
PARABELUM-Project Vendetta Mercenary Group
24
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Posted - 2015.11.13 01:51:01 -
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"Why do off grid links exist?"
Cause CCP like when ppl subscribe a second account and offgrid booster perfectly push ppl to do that. |
Arla Sarain
698
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Posted - 2015.11.13 01:54:05 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:
The bottomline is this is EVE. It's a cold, harsh, universe.
Please hold whilst I redirect you to the Role Playing forum.
Estella Osoka wrote: Adapt, die, or GTFO. You need massive amount of people playing for a game to be an MMO. Not a massive amount of alts. |
Reah Darknorth
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2015.11.13 02:44:35 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:
Intelligible? At least the words I type have capitalization where needed and correct punctuation. Now you'll probably reply with some crap that you posted from your phone.
The bottomline is this is EVE. It's a cold, harsh, universe. Some people know how to deal with OGBs, and some don't. You are probably in the latter. Adapt, die, or GTFO.
if you want to discuss punctuation, i suggest trying a grade 1 english class. here, we are generally documenting ideas in an informal and unofficial discussion.
youre right, eve is cold, harsh, and it is a universe. some people know how to deal with links and some dont
but your mistake is assuming that because i am completely against links, that it must be because i dont know how to deal with them. this is a fallacy. whether i know how to deal with links or not is irrelevant.
but i would like to point out that i am actually pretty good at pvp. the only real way to deal with links is to avoid them or bring your own. it is possible to beat a link user in a 1v1, but its no easy task, and it requires an adept understanding of the art of war (or the war of art). because thats the secret to eve pvp, and to all warfare in general. its the art of war, and the power of knowledge.
does that mean links are ok? no. theyre still broken, and you still have yet to make a point.
"adapt, die or GTFO..." well, yeah, the problem with that, is that it has nothing to do with what is right for the game or wrong for the game. its just a completely neutral phrase. it sounds cool, though, ill give you that. |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
861
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Posted - 2015.11.13 14:11:26 -
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Reah Darknorth wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:
Intelligible? At least the words I type have capitalization where needed and correct punctuation. Now you'll probably reply with some crap that you posted from your phone.
The bottomline is this is EVE. It's a cold, harsh, universe. Some people know how to deal with OGBs, and some don't. You are probably in the latter. Adapt, die, or GTFO.
if you want to discuss punctuation, i suggest trying a grade 1 english class. here, we are generally documenting ideas in an informal and unofficial discussion. youre right, eve is cold, harsh, and it is a universe. some people know how to deal with links and some dont but your mistake is assuming that because i am completely against links, that it must be because i dont know how to deal with them. this is a fallacy. whether i know how to deal with links or not is irrelevant. but i would like to point out that i am actually pretty good at pvp. the only real way to deal with links is to avoid them or bring your own. it is possible to beat a link user in a 1v1, but its no easy task, and it requires an adept understanding of the art of war (or the war of art). because thats the secret to eve pvp, and to all warfare in general. its the art of war, and the power of knowledge. does that mean links are ok? no. theyre still broken, and you still have yet to make a point. "adapt, die or GTFO..." well, yeah, the problem with that, is that it has nothing to do with what is right for the game or wrong for the game. its just a completely neutral phrase. it sounds cool, though, ill give you that.
Sure you are good at pvp. Especially when it's popping people on the undock in Rens. https://zkillboard.com/character/95830809/
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Reah Darknorth
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2015.11.13 15:32:06 -
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again you resort to things which have literally nothing to do with the discussion |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
861
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Posted - 2015.11.13 19:15:16 -
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Reah Darknorth wrote:again you resort to things which have literally nothing to do with the discussion. you are on a roll!
you linked the killboard of a two month old alt, you totally proved me wrong lol
You're an alt??? Hmm....
Reah Darknorth wrote:but links are still the worst. the multiple account elites can keep their economic monopolies and their army of farming procurers. just let us the real players have real pvp that doesn't involve a p2w i-win button cloaked up off grid.
And here I thought you were a real player trying to have real PVP. Ironic.
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Reah Darknorth
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2015.11.13 20:12:29 -
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yes this is an alt used for "popping things on rens undock", as well as other mundane activity such as hauling. to repeat what i said earlier, eve is a game of alts.
but there are major differences between that type of every day use of alternate characters, and using an alt as an afk off grid fleet booster. the main difference being that links are a totally broken game mechanic, a fact which you have yet to refute in any way.
i am still waiting for you to make some kind of point, but i suspect you will continue with your irrelevant fallacies and out of context straw man arguments. |
Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
738
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Posted - 2015.11.14 08:18:16 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Reah Darknorth wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:
The point is, if people don't want to fly them, but the ship and mods are available in game; then people will find a work around.
Except for people admitting they have an OGB alt, no one has a way of telling if someone is multiboxing, or if it is another pilot.
your posts are barely intelligible. and you still havent made a point. a point would be something like, "links are fine". you havent actually made one, youve just typed words and pressed "enter". what you seem to be saying is that afk t3 boosters are some kind of "work around". but an afk alt that sits in a safe spot and provides 10 billion isk worth of statistical combat advantages to his fleet, is not a work around. i dare say it almost seems as if they were specifically designed to work this way, and even if they werent, they still have to be seen as a problem, because they do work this way, and theyre really good at it too. youre right that no one has a way of telling if someone is multiboxing, or if it's another pilot. this is true, but what is your point? the afk t3 alt could be another player. the afk t3 alt could even be good friends with the guy he is boosting, doing it for free just because he likes his friend. who knows. but the afk t3 alt could also be just an afk t3 alt, purchased from the character bazaar specifically for the act of boosting someones main character in pvp, from a safe spot, afk. and links are still broken. Intelligible? At least the words I type have capitalization where needed and correct punctuation. Now you'll probably reply with some crap that you posted from your phone. The bottomline is this is EVE. It's a cold, harsh, universe. Some people know how to deal with OGBs, and some don't. You are probably in the latter. Adapt, die, or GTFO.
Lmao. So cold and harsh until I buy a second account with cloaky booster/scout. Then it's just cold and harsh for other people. There is no way to adapt to OGB other than to buy one yourself or dock up. There's no trade-off or drawback to OGB at all. This "cold, harsh universe ****" from people who have a cloaky alt pre-jumping every gate is pure hilarity. |
Burtakus
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
38
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Posted - 2015.11.16 03:14:02 -
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I will advocate for the removal of off grid links when:
a) gate camps are removed b) I can fly solo ( as I am mainly a solo pilot) and not have to worry about getting jumped by more than 2 other pilots flying the same ship class or lower
If the argument is that links give you an edge then why should I not use my investment in that edge to counter the edge others get from their gate camps and the ever present blob that seems to be so popular today.
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Silverbackyererse
The Church of Awesome
167
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Posted - 2015.11.16 08:52:17 -
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I would like to advocate for the removal of off grid link whiners.It's old, it's boring, it's all been said before.
Maybe you could all toddle off to Minecraft, get a server together and make a new axe to grind.
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Yang Aurilen
Conspiracy Theory. Project.Mayhem.
982
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Posted - 2015.11.16 11:48:25 -
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Burtakus wrote:I will advocate for the removal of off grid links when:
a) gate camps are removed b) I can fly solo ( as I am mainly a solo pilot) and not have to worry about getting jumped by more than 2 other pilots flying the same ship class or lower
If the argument is that links give you an edge then why should I not use my investment in that edge to counter the edge others get from their gate camps and the ever present blob that seems to be so popular today.
So you want to nerf Friend Ship?
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1585
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Posted - 2015.11.16 16:08:20 -
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So many times ive warped into 10-20 dudes. They are happy to sit on the warp in and get a boring easy kill, but when i evade or coast out of scram suddenly links are super lame. If they have their own sometimes they complain about snakes instead.
Everyone wants to blame something else for their own failings. The same people so angry about links will be just as angry about something else if links are removed. |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
862
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Posted - 2015.11.16 21:37:51 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:Burtakus wrote:I will advocate for the removal of off grid links when:
a) gate camps are removed b) I can fly solo ( as I am mainly a solo pilot) and not have to worry about getting jumped by more than 2 other pilots flying the same ship class or lower
If the argument is that links give you an edge then why should I not use my investment in that edge to counter the edge others get from their gate camps and the ever present blob that seems to be so popular today.
So you want to nerf Friend Ship?
If I am fighting in a timezone where I don't have support, and my options are to blueball a group sitting in a novice/small plex, or bring in a OGB to even things up; I'll choose the OGB everytime. |
Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
1439
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Posted - 2015.11.18 00:57:36 -
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Silverbackyererse wrote:I would like to advocate for the removal of off grid link whiners.It's old, it's boring, it's all been said before.
It's all been said before? Even this argument:
Silverbackyererse wrote: Maybe you could all toddle off to Minecraft, get a server together and make a new axe to grind.
Without fail, the worst eve posters always come out to defend this horrible mechanic.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
742
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Posted - 2015.11.18 01:31:47 -
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Silverbackyererse wrote:I would like to advocate for the removal of off grid link whiners.It's old, it's boring, it's all been said before. Maybe you could all toddle off to Minecraft, get a server together and make a new axe to grind.
When they bring links on-grid and Diageo has to get a real job, do you plan to unsub?
If so, can I have your stuff?
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Silverbackyererse
The Church of Awesome
171
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Posted - 2015.11.18 06:37:34 -
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@ Cearain
How on earth can you interpret my post as defending anything? I was simply expressing that I'm over reading the same old gripes from the same old people in the same old threads. However I will concede that it was definitely a shiptoast of questionable quality. I would however like to point out that it takes a shiptoaster to know a shiptoaster.
@ Demerius
Dago has >100m SP - he has plenty of uses - links are just one of his many talents. So, no plans to unsub him and no you can't have my stuffz. You couldn't handle my stuffz. How you going anyways man? Last time I saw you mooching around Okkamon you were travelling with a T3 links ship. What is it they say about glass houses and stones?
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Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
745
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Posted - 2015.11.19 20:57:30 -
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Silverbackyererse wrote:@ Cearain How on earth can you interpret my post as defending anything? I was simply expressing that I'm over reading the same old gripes from the same old people in the same old threads. However I will concede that it was definitely a shiptoast of questionable quality. I would however like to point out that it takes a shiptoaster to know a shiptoaster. @ Demerius Dago has >100m SP - he has plenty of uses - links are just one of his many talents. So, no plans to unsub him and no you can't have my stuffz. You couldn't handle my stuffz. How you going anyways man? Last time I saw you mooching around Okkamon you were travelling with a T3 links ship. What is it they say about glass houses and stones?
I already said links are so batshit insane overpowered that it's stupid not to use them. That realization doesn't contradict my position that well, links are batshit insane overpowered and possess a level of risk that's not commiserate with the benefit they provide.
So I will fly with links whenever possible until OGB gets glassed from orbit with the nuclear nerf missile they so richly deserve.
On that day, I shall have my mop and bucket ready to collect the flood of tears from "elite solo pvp'ers" who are trash without their little friend. Or two - give my regards to CAANON.
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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
1502
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Posted - 2015.11.19 22:09:26 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
On that day, I shall have my mop and bucket ready to collect the flood of tears from "elite solo pvp'ers" who are trash without their little friend. Or two - give my regards to CAANON.
But you will also not have them on that day - So you will still get dunked.
Either way - Your tears will continue to flow.
What will you cry about next?? ECM?? Logi?? Fleets??
https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
867
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Posted - 2015.11.20 02:58:02 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
On that day, I shall have my mop and bucket ready to collect the flood of tears from "elite solo pvp'ers" who are trash without their little friend. Or two - give my regards to CAANON.
But you will also not have them on that day - So you will still get dunked. Either way - Your tears will continue to flow. What will you cry about next?? ECM?? Logi?? Fleets??
Prolly Command Destroyers. |
Madrax573
Bastion of Mad Behaviour
21
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Posted - 2015.11.20 05:05:22 -
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CD's sound 'interesting'
but yeah like most things people aren't willing to adapt to they will be whined about!!
The universe is my playground
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Morgan Agrivar
Happy Endings Massage Parlor
171
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Posted - 2015.11.20 10:15:25 -
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Never really relied on OGBs at all. Main reason why I do not pvp in lowsec. If someone comes along and cleans my clock, I want to know it was because he was just better than me, not because he had a T3C boosting him to godhood.
If they decide to remove OGBs, then I might wander back into lowsec again.
Just something about me...
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Gorthanator
SQUIDS.
21
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Posted - 2015.11.21 10:41:40 -
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Can't imagine that they had a discussion where they said "we are going to make it mandatory to have to buy and fund a second account in order to be competitive at PVP" I personally think they wanted something for players with old characters that weren't interested in industry or caps to dump skillpoints in and to be ongrid links. They don't work like that in my experience and I Don't like em personally but that argument has been done to death.
it's a mechanic that needs work lets hope they are. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1590
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Posted - 2015.11.21 12:43:23 -
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Theres a huge number of things in eve for which you need a second account to be competitive.
Complaining about that at this point is kind of silly. Specially when you are so selective with the critique. |
Gorthanator
SQUIDS.
21
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Posted - 2015.11.21 13:02:08 -
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You have an opinion and I have an opinion but the question in the OP is, why do they exist? which invites us to speculate. I just added my voice to other people who have criticised the mechanic. is it game breaking no, is it game enhancing no. |
Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
745
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Posted - 2015.11.21 14:45:20 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
On that day, I shall have my mop and bucket ready to collect the flood of tears from "elite solo pvp'ers" who are trash without their little friend. Or two - give my regards to CAANON.
But you will also not have them on that day - So you will still get dunked. Either way - Your tears will continue to flow. What will you cry about next?? ECM?? Logi?? Fleets??
I get dunked alot; doesn't really bother me. It's part of the game unless you are a hyper risk-averse carebear. I would prefer that when said dunks occur they do so because the opponent possessed superior tactics, speed and knowledge of the game rather than because they give CCP more money every month.
"If you take my links I'll just bring a Falcon or logi alt" is a bad argument, as has been duly demonstrated when it's tossed out as a red herring in every single thread on this topic. Suffice to say the risk/reward for those variants of assistance is at a far more appropriate level, for various reasons. (Must be risked on grid, appears on mails, only effective against one or two opponents, etc.)
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
875
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Posted - 2015.11.21 16:39:02 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
On that day, I shall have my mop and bucket ready to collect the flood of tears from "elite solo pvp'ers" who are trash without their little friend. Or two - give my regards to CAANON.
But you will also not have them on that day - So you will still get dunked. Either way - Your tears will continue to flow. What will you cry about next?? ECM?? Logi?? Fleets?? I get dunked alot; doesn't really bother me. It's part of the game unless you are a hyper risk-averse carebear. I would prefer that when said dunks occur they do so because the opponent possessed superior tactics, speed and knowledge of the game rather than because they give CCP more money every month. "If you take my links I'll just bring a Falcon or logi alt" is a bad argument, as has been duly demonstrated when it's tossed out as a red herring in every single thread on this topic. Suffice to say the risk/reward for those variants of assistance is at a far more appropriate level, for various reasons. (Must be risked on grid, appears on mails, only effective against one or two opponents, etc.)
I'm thinking you haven't encountered many Recon ships.
As most of us have already said, we would like to have OGBs show up on killmails. Logi too. |
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