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Intar Medris
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Phoenix Company Alliance
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Posted - 2015.11.10 16:56:54 -
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In null sec. 70-80 million ISK per hour per toon. Even losing a Skiff this weekend wasn't much of a set back for me. I use to have to mine all week just to touch what I made this weekend. My advice quit being scared of getting blown up , and make the move to null.
Here's the math for you. Using an example of 5 hours a day 3 days a week and 3 toons.
70 million X 3 = 210 million an hour.
210 million X 5= 1.5 billion a day
1.5 billion X 3 = 4.5 Billion a week
I mined in high sec pretty much most of my time on EVE. I avoided null simply because before the risk to ISK ratio wasn't high enough. With recent and incoming changes it now is. What kind of demand do you think Citadels are going to put on the market? Huge demand. Quit grinding in high, and move to null where you'll make enough ISK to have have pew pew fun, and still have ISK leftover.
I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.
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Eternity Mistseeker
Renegades of Eve Aureus Alae
23
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Posted - 2015.11.10 19:16:42 -
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Your maths does not quite add up. |
Intar Medris
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Phoenix Company Alliance
243
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Posted - 2015.11.10 19:58:02 -
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Eternity Mistseeker wrote:Your maths does not quite add up.
Should add that's with a maxed Hulk and boosts. I use Skiffs since they tank the null rats pretty good. It is also based of the best null ores, and there is more than enough of that to go around. Since currently I can't use ABC ore crystals I make 10 million ISK less an hour per toon. It is also based off refined value and not raw ore value. The difference between a Hulk and a Skiff with max boosts is only 6 cycles an hour. So between that and the fact I can't use ABC ore crystals then taking that into effect the math checks out.
I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1088
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Posted - 2015.11.10 20:08:10 -
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Intar Medris wrote:Eternity Mistseeker wrote:Your maths does not quite add up. Should add that's with a maxed Hulk and boosts. I use Skiffs since they tank the null rats pretty good. It is also based of the best null ores, and there is more than enough of that to go around. Since currently I can't use ABC ore crystals I make 10 million ISK less an hour per toon. It is also based off refined value and not raw ore value. The difference between a Hulk and a Skiff with max boosts is only 6 cycles an hour. So between that and the fact I can't use ABC ore crystals then taking that into effect the math checks out.
Pretty sure they were talking about the part where you think 210 X 5 = 1500 instead of 1050. Consequently, your final tally is about 1.5 billion high.
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Intar Medris
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Phoenix Company Alliance
243
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Posted - 2015.11.10 20:21:11 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Intar Medris wrote:Eternity Mistseeker wrote:Your maths does not quite add up. Should add that's with a maxed Hulk and boosts. I use Skiffs since they tank the null rats pretty good. It is also based of the best null ores, and there is more than enough of that to go around. Since currently I can't use ABC ore crystals I make 10 million ISK less an hour per toon. It is also based off refined value and not raw ore value. The difference between a Hulk and a Skiff with max boosts is only 6 cycles an hour. So between that and the fact I can't use ABC ore crystals then taking that into effect the math checks out. Pretty sure they were talking about the part where you think 210 X 5 = 1500 instead of 1050. Consequently, your final tally is about 1.5 billion high.
Opps
I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
448
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Posted - 2015.11.11 01:53:35 -
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I agree that null sec mining is much improved, but how are you coming up with that 70M number? Mining Mercoxit?
How are you selling it?
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
2822
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Posted - 2015.11.11 03:01:14 -
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Intar Medris wrote:5 hours a day No thank you, I already work 12 a day |
Arianne Kass
Garoun Long-Term Capital Management
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Posted - 2015.11.11 13:32:12 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote:I agree that null sec mining is much improved, but how are you coming up with that 70M number? Mining Mercoxit?
How are you selling it?
Looking at the ore values on cerlestes site the number looks possible for a decent miner with T2 crystals and max Rorqual boosts when mining Spod or ABC ores. Of course you have to disregard the time spend hauling and the overhead of the boosting character. |
Intar Medris
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Phoenix Company Alliance
243
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Posted - 2015.11.11 14:01:02 -
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Arianne Kass wrote:Shiloh Templeton wrote:I agree that null sec mining is much improved, but how are you coming up with that 70M number? Mining Mercoxit?
How are you selling it?
Looking at the ore values on cerlestes site the number looks possible for a decent miner with T2 crystals and max Rorqual boosts when mining Spod or ABC ores. Of course you have to disregard the time spend hauling and the overhead of the boosting character.
My Corp also has a very good ore buyback program. I also keep my toons in the belt using Enormous Frieght Containers. With three toons I can fill one in about 45 mins.
Here is my formula
3600 (minutes in an hour) ++ Cycle Time = Number Of Cycles In An Hour
Cycles In An Hour X m3 Mine Per Cycle = m3 Mined Per Hour
m3 Mined Per Hour ++ m3 Of Each Unit Of Ore Type = Equals Units Of Ore Type Mined In An Hour
I then input the value for the last equation into the spreadsheet for my corp's buyback program to figure out my hourly total.
I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.
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Shuma Makanen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.11.11 20:42:40 -
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No thanks. I can still easily make billions in high sec mining with Skiffs and Orca. Granted it may not be as fast as null, but I don't have to be constantly pressing d-scan and looking over my shoulder waiting for death every minute either. I also don't have to make 137 jumps through a thousand gate camps to sell my ore. |
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Veronica VanRock
Nova Initia The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.11.11 23:47:22 -
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Shuma Makanen wrote:No thanks. I can still easily make billions in high sec mining with Skiffs and Orca. Granted it may not be as fast as null, but I don't have to be constantly pressing d-scan and looking over my shoulder waiting for death every minute either. I also don't have to make 137 jumps through a thousand gate camps to sell my ore.
Being in an Alliance takes care of most issues. For example we have a good intel channel which warns us if enemies show up. And if you mine with reds in system that's kind of your own fault. We have the option to sell our ores to the alliance or to local industrialists which takes care of the hauling issue. Let me know if you want to give Null a try, it beats High Sec mining hands down. |
Ultim8Evil
30plus Fidelas Constans
283
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Posted - 2015.11.12 01:49:06 -
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Shuma Makanen wrote:No thanks. I can still easily make billions in high sec mining with Skiffs and Orca. Granted it may not be as fast as null, but I don't have to be constantly pressing d-scan and looking over my shoulder waiting for death every minute either. I also don't have to make 137 jumps through a thousand gate camps to sell my ore.
The irony in this statement is strong.
Mining in 0.0 is much safer than in highsec.
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Burrod Ondenther
THE THIRTEEN SAMURAI The Old Guard.
0
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Posted - 2015.11.12 07:55:12 -
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Currently mining in a field just litered with eves most valuable minerals too mine and yet I'm alone. Besides an orca pilot reping me and an aliance member AFK in station I'm alone and will be that way for the next 12 hours. An odd neutral or hostile may enter occasionally but for 99.9% of my time out here where I'm situated no one bothers me, and the mining is very good.
Worst days are when we have worm holes, who bring in hostiles but besides those odd times null if you know the right people is a super profitable way to mine if not the most profitable. Why more don't do it is beyond me. I think people are simply scared, and don't like taking risks, but hell for the amount of isk to be earned and fun to be had why the hell not.
Too the one guy. talking about constantly hitting dscan. I'm typing this while I mine, no Dscan neccesry. |
elise densi
Rogue Clones Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.23 08:59:57 -
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Shuma Makanen wrote:No thanks. I can still easily make billions in high sec mining with Skiffs and Orca. Granted it may not be as fast as null, but I don't have to be constantly pressing d-scan and looking over my shoulder waiting for death every minute either. I also don't have to make 137 jumps through a thousand gate camps to sell my ore.
last time i used Dscan while mining is ... i cant even remember yes i do mine in nullsec having intel channels is awsome and knowing the systems near u
that said come have a talk with me if anyone is intrested in a decent home to stay with a good future of growing and a stable ore buy program and eazy access to highsec
since nullsec is safer then highsec these days.
did i told theres also max mining boosts avaliable ? cant miss out that also best refining station in eve manufacturing research hell who needs highsec when got all that. |
RcTamiya
SUPREME MATHEMATICS A Band Apart.
26
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Posted - 2015.11.25 14:32:15 -
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I can confirm as somebody who hunts miners and bears in 00 -> if they aint afk or dumb no way to catch them
So yes, it's safer in 00 than in high sec, populate 00, we need more prey :O |
Super Miguel
Arsenic. The Volition Cult
5
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Posted - 2015.12.04 18:25:49 -
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Intar Medris wrote:In null sec. 70-80 million ISK per hour per toon. Even losing a Skiff this weekend wasn't much of a set back for me. I use to have to mine all week just to touch what I made this weekend. My advice quit being scared of getting blown up , and make the move to null.
Here's the math for you. Using an example of 5 hours a day 3 days a week and 3 toons.
70 million X 3 = 210 million an hour.
210 million X 5= 1.5 billion a day
1.5 billion X 3 = 4.5 Billion a week
I mined in high sec pretty much most of my time on EVE. I avoided null simply because before the risk to ISK ratio wasn't high enough. With recent and incoming changes it now is. What kind of demand do you think Citadels are going to put on the market? Huge demand. Quit grinding in high, and move to null where you'll make enough ISK to have have pew pew fun, and still have ISK leftover.
what kind of boost are u using? 70mil per pilot seems high |
Captain Krunch Krunch
Quantum Field Theory The Blood Covenant
2
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Posted - 2015.12.11 08:44:48 -
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Honestly, i know the OP is just doing the math and not actually out there every day mining in null and pulling in those numbers. I have mined all over Eve, and i will be damned if a freaking nuet or enough rats don't get me to dock up. Im talking about deep space null as well, where it takes several minutes with 5 T2 drones in my barge fighting off 3 or more rats. Sure i have made some isk vs time while mining in null, but like others have said, there is risk involved, not to mention shipping costs unless your building on site. Either way, all it takes is a swarm to come thru, and before you know it you have to move your whole operation and start all over.
Additionally, if your able to stay on grid long enough to fill your cargo with Spod or any other ABC ore it would be possible. Lets do your math divided by 3 since i only run one account. 70 mill / 3 = 23.3 mill per hr, per toon, which also breaks down to 11.66666 mill per half hour. I suppose that makes sense, and i can hit about 80% of that in high sec with orca support mining Veld/Scordite in a T2 barge with pretty good skills. Oh and there is a crap ton of buyers who dont mind traveling to pick it up from you.
So if you could stay on grid consistently or up to 5 hrs a day, which is like a second job, i could see you pulling in about a billion isk that way. But i have rarely seen or lived in what was supposed to be a dead end, or "quiet" area and been left alone to mine juicy rocks all freaking day without some Neut coming in forcing me to dock up and play the waiting game. But i dont think there is much difference between what your doing and what most others in high sec are doing. You are getting nearly the same results, and your locked into mining so much in order to pay for your other accounts.
I agree that mining in null can be safer than high sec, but your constantly watching local, checking d-scan, and putting all your goods into a station that can be taken by the end of a week. Oh, did i mention the cloaky camper, you know, the A-hole who sits in your mining system every day, so guess what, time to clone jump to mining base #2, aka high sec..... Geesh,,,,, Whatever. |
Kaska Iskalar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2015.12.12 05:55:32 -
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Shuma Makanen wrote:No thanks. I can still easily make billions in high sec mining with Skiffs and Orca. Granted it may not be as fast as null, but I don't have to be constantly pressing d-scan and looking over my shoulder waiting for death every minute either. I also don't have to make 137 jumps through a thousand gate camps to sell my ore. Granted, I haven't played in a while, but you don't seem to have any idea how null works. The main thing you're looking at is intel. Local is secondary. D-scan isn't even a thing. Most of the time when someone is coming you know about it while they're still several systems away. I laughed at "waiting for death every minute". You mean some random dude wandering into your sov briefly about twice a day? And nobody makes 137 jumps to sell anything. That's what jump freighters are for. And that's if the alliance itself doesn't buy the ore from you. You've clearly gotten everything you "know" about null from high sec carebears sitting around a camp fire telling scary stories.
Captain Krunch Krunch wrote:Additionally, if your able to stay on grid long enough to fill your cargo with Spod or any other ABC ore it would be possible. There's no S in ABC.
Ultim8Evil wrote:Shuma Makanen wrote:No thanks. I can still easily make billions in high sec mining with Skiffs and Orca. Granted it may not be as fast as null, but I don't have to be constantly pressing d-scan and looking over my shoulder waiting for death every minute either. I also don't have to make 137 jumps through a thousand gate camps to sell my ore. The irony in this statement is strong. Mining in 0.0 is much safer than in highsec. QFT. I've never had non-consensual PvP in null. I've lost plenty of ships in PvP fleets, but never when I was just trying to rat or something. |
Daku Otsito
Otsito Response Team
15
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Posted - 2015.12.15 10:55:45 -
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Hehe i love the mentality here, that's the reason most miners got caught with pants down when we rolled our null static, but i guess in the grand scheme of things it's inconsequential for the average miner and i haven't been in wh for a long time now. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1301
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Posted - 2015.12.15 17:28:11 -
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Captain Krunch Krunch wrote: 70 mill / 3 = 23.3 mill per hr, per toon, which also breaks down to 11.66666 mill per half hour.
The 70 million value was given as a per-character amount.
Care to try that again?
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Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Phoebe Freeport Republic
1687
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Posted - 2015.12.15 19:40:56 -
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I calc the numbers for you in IPH while taking into account a number of factors most people don't consider. This is what it looks like with today's prices: http://i.imgur.com/PVUYLxg.png
You could get more by using hulks with rorq boost or with compressed ore based on whatever your alliance buys it for.
Better time? All depends on if you can rat or mine for more IPH. ISK from ratting is generally easier to get paid for and haul too. All depends.
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Kennedy Lincoln
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2015.12.15 20:07:04 -
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Ultim8Evil wrote:Shuma Makanen wrote:No thanks. I can still easily make billions in high sec mining with Skiffs and Orca. Granted it may not be as fast as null, but I don't have to be constantly pressing d-scan and looking over my shoulder waiting for death every minute either. I also don't have to make 137 jumps through a thousand gate camps to sell my ore. The irony in this statement is strong. Mining in 0.0 is much safer than in highsec.
Not from my experience but I bet you are comparing solo in hisec to team mining in null? I've mined hundreds of hours solo in hi-sec without many problems. I've tried mining in lo-sec and null and it is 1) much more hazardous and 2) less profitable considering the time spent having to bring the ore to an area with good consistent prices.
Or perhaps you are just trying to lure the gullible miners to null so you can pick up some easy kills? Hmmm?
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Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining The Bastion
64
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Posted - 2015.12.15 21:49:21 -
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Kennedy Lincoln wrote:Ultim8Evil wrote:Shuma Makanen wrote:No thanks. I can still easily make billions in high sec mining with Skiffs and Orca. Granted it may not be as fast as null, but I don't have to be constantly pressing d-scan and looking over my shoulder waiting for death every minute either. I also don't have to make 137 jumps through a thousand gate camps to sell my ore. The irony in this statement is strong. Mining in 0.0 is much safer than in highsec. Not from my experience but I bet you are comparing solo in hisec to team mining in null? I've mined hundreds of hours solo in hi-sec without many problems. I've tried mining in lo-sec and null and it is 1) much more hazardous and 2) less profitable considering the time spent having to bring the ore to an area with good consistent prices. Or perhaps you are just trying to lure the gullible miners to null so you can pick up some easy kills? Hmmm?
If you're solo mining in null, you're gonna have a bad time. You don't move the ore anywhere, you sell it locally to your corp/alliance. If you do need to move it, you compress it and put it in a jf. Hell, even a t2 industrial can carry a crap ton of compressed ore rather safely.
Try joining a corp and you'll realize why everyone says that null is much, much safer. |
Cidanel Afuran
Static-Noise Upholders
503
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Posted - 2015.12.15 23:03:47 -
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Except then you have to mine for 60 hours/month.
60 hours of grinding for 4.5 bil ISK, or for 3.75 plex.
Work 20 hours/week for minimum wage, you will make $145, or enough to buy 8 plex with money IRL.
If you're going to commit to doing something tediously repetitive, pick the thing that gives you over twice the ISK for the time spent.
Or you know, don't mine and actually play the game. |
Cenwarde
Mos Eisley Miners Perfect Dark
0
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Posted - 2015.12.23 14:44:06 -
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Shuma Makanen wrote:No thanks. I can still easily make billions in high sec mining with Skiffs and Orca. Granted it may not be as fast as null, but I don't have to be constantly pressing d-scan and looking over my shoulder waiting for death every minute either. I also don't have to make 137 jumps through a thousand gate camps to sell my ore.
Your killboard suggests otherwise. No ship losses and no evidence that you've ever even left high sec, much less your starter corp. |
Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
116
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Posted - 2016.01.03 04:18:46 -
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Eternity Mistseeker wrote:Your maths does not quite add up.
He's a miner. Give him a break. Just be glad somebody is willing to do it.
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Captain Krunch Krunch
Quantum Field Theory The Blood Covenant
3
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Posted - 2016.01.03 07:36:39 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Captain Krunch Krunch wrote: 70 mill / 3 = 23.3 mill per hr, per toon, which also breaks down to 11.66666 mill per half hour.
The 70 million value was given as a per-character amount. The OP later multiplied it by 3 to reach the 3-character amount of 210. Without opining on the validity of that amount, you took a value that was already normalized to a single character and then divided it by 3 "because [you] only run one account" and (more accurately) because you are very bad at math. Care to try that again?
First off, you must be bad at ENGLISH because i believe you were trying to spell the word OPINIONING. And my Math is fine. Please read my entire post before you try to quote me. What i am saying is, you can not pull in up to 80 mill per hour with a single barge on a single toon in any space. I mined ABC ores the other day in a Mackinaw with Rorqual Boosts, and on average with average skills you might hit 20+ mill per hour. So how the heck is someone mining upwards of 70-80 mill per toon/character in one single hour?
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Andrew Indy
POS Party
143
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Posted - 2016.01.05 06:59:41 -
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I have not mined for a couple of years so I might be wrong so feel free to rip me a new one.
EFT says a perfect miner with perfect boosts ect can mine 3902M3 per minute (is that correct?) EFT Hulk
Bistot is 423isk per 1m3. http://ore.cerlestes.de/#site:ore
3902 * 60 = 234120m3/hour 234120 * 423 = 99mil/hour
Seems very high, I was sure that I made sub 20m/h in HS with perfect boosts so 5X more seems like a lot given Orca boosts are not that much worse and HS orders are 60% the value of NS. |
Amarrchecko
Hedion University Amarr Empire
79
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Posted - 2016.01.05 14:03:05 -
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Captain Krunch Krunch wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Captain Krunch Krunch wrote: 70 mill / 3 = 23.3 mill per hr, per toon, which also breaks down to 11.66666 mill per half hour.
The 70 million value was given as a per-character amount. The OP later multiplied it by 3 to reach the 3-character amount of 210. Without opining on the validity of that amount, you took a value that was already normalized to a single character and then divided it by 3 "because [you] only run one account" and (more accurately) because you are very bad at math. Care to try that again? First off, you must be bad at ENGLISH because i believe you were trying to spell the word OPINIONING. And my Math is fine. Please read my entire post before you try to quote me. What i am saying is, you can not pull in up to 80 mill per hour with a single barge on a single toon in any space. I mined ABC ores the other day in a Mackinaw with Rorqual Boosts, and on average with average skills you might hit 20+ mill per hour. So how the heck is someone mining upwards of 70-80 mill per toon/character in one single hour? :)
Never read a supreme court case, huh? Justices opine all the time. |
Amarrchecko
Hedion University Amarr Empire
79
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Posted - 2016.01.05 14:36:25 -
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Andrew Indy wrote:I have not mined for a couple of years so I might be wrong so feel free to rip me a new one. EFT says a perfect miner with perfect boosts ect can mine 3902M3 per minute (is that correct?) EFT HulkBistot is 423isk per 1m3. http://ore.cerlestes.de/#site:ore3902 * 60 = 234120m3/hour 234120 * 423 = 99mil/hour Seems very high, I was sure that I made sub 20m/h in HS with perfect boosts so 5X more seems like a lot given Orca boosts are not that much worse and HS orders are 60% the value of NS.
That's 100% refine on bistot though. And the 5% mining implant and the special mining upgrades cost BILLIONS of isk.
An excellent, but reasonable, hulk is probably more like 3000m3/minute... and if you're selling the compressed ore instead of somehow getting 100% refine, you're looking at under 300isk/m3. Puts you around 50 million per hour, plus drones if you're using them. But still, you aren't doing that with one account unless you have a buddy hauling for free and a buddy boosting too. |
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