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The Larold
Avalon Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.11.10 23:47:18 -
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Sorry but I did not find this on the web on my first search.
For purposes of this brief discussion, let's pretend the only factions that exist in game are Caldari, Amarr, Mimatar (sic?), Gallente.
Is it possible to maintain high faction standings with the 4 empire factions by simply rotating every couple of months and running level 4s for a new faction? Or, is a storyline standing gain completely offset by an equivalent standings loss with the corresponding enemy faction(s)?
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.11 00:33:04 -
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The negative offset is less than the standings gain so you can achieve high standings with all 4 factions over time.
Be sure to read "The Plan". |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4728
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Posted - 2015.11.11 01:03:20 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote:Be sure to read "The Plan". And definitely take advantage of it while you can (I think there are plans to make having excellent standings with all Empires next-to-impossible in the future).
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1623
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Posted - 2015.11.11 01:36:35 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Shiloh Templeton wrote:Be sure to read "The Plan". And definitely take advantage of it while you can (I think there are plans to make having excellent standings with all Empires next-to-impossible in the future).
Yep which probably mean all of highsec will move to Caldari space and keep high Caldari standings to get good access to Jita and the only players in the other faction space will be new players.
Sometimes you wonder whether the devs just sit around and have a few beers and think "wouldn't it be hilarious if we ... " rather than actually thinking things through.
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Captain Ron Sotken
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.11.11 03:23:43 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Shiloh Templeton wrote:Be sure to read "The Plan". And definitely take advantage of it while you can (I think there are plans to make having excellent standings with all Empires next-to-impossible in the future).
It is far simpler. The current plan is you will start with neutral standing with the empire and friendly empires of your chosen race and -10 with the opposing empires. Additionally gaining standing with an empire opposed to your racial empire will require far more effort. A 75% reduction in standing gain is applied after all skills are taken into account when running for an opposing empire.
This will help balance the Empires and provide a more valuable environment for the racial empires and characters. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1623
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Posted - 2015.11.11 04:20:22 -
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Captain Ron Sotken wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Shiloh Templeton wrote:Be sure to read "The Plan". And definitely take advantage of it while you can (I think there are plans to make having excellent standings with all Empires next-to-impossible in the future). It is far simpler. The current plan is you will start with neutral standing with the empire and friendly empires of your chosen race and -10 with the opposing empires. Additionally gaining standing with an empire opposed to your racial empire will require far more effort. A 75% reduction in standing gain is applied after all skills are taken into account when running for an opposing empire. This will help balance the Empires and provide a more valuable environment for the racial empires and characters.
So they are reversing the change a few years back where sub races where effectively removed and they announced your race choice would in future be just cosmetic and any character could do anything equally regardless of race?
Seems a bit stupid to remove a mechanic that made race choice significant then introduce a new one that reverses the change. |
Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
2015
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Posted - 2015.11.11 05:37:43 -
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For now it is very much possible
As for the future: I'll believe it when I see a source, and round table doesn't really count, they just throw stuff out to see what sticks. I'd wait for a Dev blog or patch notes. Although at that point it is usually too late.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
52150
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Posted - 2015.11.11 14:38:07 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote:The negative offset is less than the standings gain so you can achieve high standings with all 4 factions over time. Be sure to read "The Plan". Fixed that for you.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Endecroix
Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2015.11.11 14:42:16 -
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I did this some time back and can confirm over time you will get to + 5 with all factions. However, just after that the reduced positive increase you get balances out with the increased negative decreases (relative) so you kind of plateau and the only way to then increase all would be to steer clear of any negative derived faction standing actions and stick to Epic Arcs only (these don't have negative derived standings) and even in those you will need someone else (ie and alt) to kill a few ships in some missions to remove the associated negative hits from them. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
52152
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Posted - 2015.11.11 17:44:36 -
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I've completed all of the level 4 Epic Arcs and only had to have another fleet member for one mission - the final mission of the Caldari level 4 Epic Arc due to the perma-jam done by the Elite Cruisers.
As for the few little standing hits incurred for ship kill, those are minimal compared to the amount of standing gained for completion.
Following 'The Plan' and completing all of the Empire Event Agents listed in it will get you above +5 Faction standing easily and very quickly.
Note : 8 Empire Factions control High Security systems.
My stats currently :
Quote: Empire Standings - Modified (Base): Minmatar Republic +7.32 (+6.65), Amarr Empire +7.25 (+6.56), Gallente Federation +7.24 (+6.55), Caldari State +7.06 (+6.32), Khanid Kingdom +5.27 (+4.09), The Interbus +5.20 (+4.01), Ammatar Mandate +4.36 (+2.95), Concord Assembly +2.55 (+0.69),
Social Skills: Social lv 5 Connections lv 5 Fast Talk lv 5 Diplomacy lv 5 Negotiation lv 5
Tutorial, Career, Circle Agents Completed: All Empire Factions
Data Center Tags completed: Minmatar = All Angel Tags Gallente = All Serpentis Tags Caldari = All Guristas Tags Amarr = All Blood Tags Ammatar = All Sansha Tags
Epic Arcs Completed: Level 1 Sisters Of Eve = 13x (6x Minmatar, 2x Amarr, 2x Gallente, 3x Caldari) Level 4 Amarr = 5x Level 4 Caldari = 5x Level 4 Gallente = 5x Level 4 Minmatar = 7x
Cosmos Agents Completed: All Empire Factions = level 4 and lower (only 2 agents left to complete)
As you can see I have over +7.00 standing with the 4 main Empire Factions. Since I've pretty much completed all of the Event Agents, the only option I have left for raising Faction standings is from the Epic Arcs which could feasibly take me up to +10.00 standing.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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The Larold
Avalon Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.11.11 17:53:34 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:
As you can see I have over +7.00 standing with the 4 main Empire Factions. Since I've pretty much completed all of the Event Agents
I am very new to The Plan, but I do remember this being one of the small points of confusion in the (excellent) doc you wrote.
What is an Event Agent? You mention it in the paragraph above, but it doesn't appear anywhere in the listing you showed of what you've run. I'm pretty sure it's synonymous with one of the entries, but not sure which one.
Sorry - not trying to criticize, just a little confused.
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Endecroix
Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2015.11.11 21:19:51 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote: Level 1 Sisters Of Eve = 13x (6x Minmatar, 2x Amarr, 2x Gallente, 3x Caldari) Level 4 Amarr = 5x Level 4 Caldari = 5x Level 4 Gallente = 5x Level 4 Minmatar = 7x
I'm pretty shocked you've only done them that many times. I always thought you'd have done them maybe over twice that! I haven't done any of the pirate ones yet but I do intend to get around to doing them at some point and I will give ORE a good attempt too whilst I am out in the area. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1630
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Posted - 2015.11.11 22:58:34 -
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The Larold wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
As you can see I have over +7.00 standing with the 4 main Empire Factions. Since I've pretty much completed all of the Event Agents
I am very new to The Plan, but I do remember this being one of the small points of confusion in the (excellent) doc you wrote. What is an Event Agent? You mention it in the paragraph above, but it doesn't appear anywhere in the listing you showed of what you've run. I'm pretty sure it's synonymous with one of the entries, but not sure which one. Sorry - not trying to criticize, just a little confused.
Epic Arcs. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
52155
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Posted - 2015.11.12 17:19:24 -
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The Larold wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
As you can see I have over +7.00 standing with the 4 main Empire Factions. Since I've pretty much completed all of the Event Agents
I am very new to The Plan, but I do remember this being one of the small points of confusion in the (excellent) doc you wrote. What is an Event Agent? You mention it in the paragraph above, but it doesn't appear anywhere in the listing you showed of what you've run. I'm pretty sure it's synonymous with one of the entries, but not sure which one. Sorry - not trying to criticize, just a little confused. All of those Agents in that list I posted are Event Agents.
Endecroix wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: Level 1 Sisters Of Eve = 13x (6x Minmatar, 2x Amarr, 2x Gallente, 3x Caldari) Level 4 Amarr = 5x Level 4 Caldari = 5x Level 4 Gallente = 5x Level 4 Minmatar = 7x
I'm pretty shocked you've only done them that many times. I always thought you'd have done them maybe over twice that! I haven't done any of the pirate ones yet but I do intend to get around to doing them at some point and I will give ORE a good attempt too whilst I am out in the area. Yeah, actually I'm an explorer. I love exploration. I just did those Epic Arcs to help equalize and boost the standings whenever needed to accomplish the goal of getting over +7.00 Faction standing with the 4 main Empires. In fact, even though I've already credited my list accounting, I still need to finish the Caldari Epic Arc which will bring that standing up close to being equal with the other 3 main Factions.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1640
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Posted - 2015.11.13 05:24:12 -
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I used to run Minmatar every time it came up again till they broke it. |
erg cz
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
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Posted - 2015.11.13 08:20:04 -
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I am pretty sure you can repeat tutorial agents several (2?) times a year. They give good faction standing increase with very little impact of opposite faction standings. Each race has 3 schools so you have plenty of opportunities.
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Sentenced 1989
190
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Posted - 2015.11.13 13:26:04 -
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Also here, skipping storylines and against HS factions doesn't affect my standings at all, I can run missions where ever (however don't think I done more then 20 regular missions this year in total).
Standings increase come from epic arcs, started about 3 years ago with amarr and caldari at 4, gallente and mattar at -4ish
Amarr Empire8.25 Minmatar Republic7.40 Caldari State7.38 Gallente Federation7.31 Servant Sisters of EVE4.99 Khanid Kingdom3.78 Mordu's Legion Command3.17 The InterBus3.09 The Society of Conscious Thought1.98 ORE1.33 Jove Empire0.92 Ammatar Mandate0.53
All together, I've done each epic arc about 12 times so far. (Some timers I skipped because I was lazy and then I used SoE to boost lowest faction, usually the one I skipped)
Also, my two other toons have pretty much similar or better standings, one of them didn't take any hits on ammatar so its at 5.0 with them (this toon usually takes standings hits from Epic Arc targets, but lately I just tank them and don't shoot them at all.)
The Incursion Guild
Epic Arc Guide
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
52157
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Posted - 2015.11.15 23:36:46 -
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erg cz wrote:I am pretty sure you can repeat tutorial agents several (2?) times a year. They give good faction standing increase with very little impact of opposite faction standings. Each race has 3 schools so you have plenty of opportunities. Ahhh, I believe you're referring to the Career Agents and yes, as level 1 agents they do indeed give good faction standing increase.
Unfortunately, the Career Agents can only be completed once in the life of the character. Luckily there's 3 sets of Career Agents per Faction
DMC
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