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Helen
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.01.09 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher With regards STK...
They told ASCN they had spent weeks setting themselves in place for their attack on Fountain.
Then they got killzored in y-2 the very same week they said that.
Then they said they would be pulling back to assist with AZN.
Then the very same week we killzored azn.
Then they said... actually I have no clue what they said but I'm sure it was something along the lines of "eeek, ruuuuuun".
Which they did!
dbp
While your timeline is a little off, I can confirm we had planned a large scale invasion of Fountain which called for many objectives to be pulled off not least the rallying of local anti bob corps. Initially it worked great achieving gangs of 60+ in size however when it came to the crunch we couldn't rely on certain key factors so the invasion couldn't be achieved.
We lost 3 dreads in Y-2ANO no biggie they were easily replacable however at the same time CYVOK's titan was lost which precipated a morale loss alliance wide, naturally when our very first outpost came under attack we felt it pertinant to return home.
Our return meant a 12 dread attack on a Evol? pos in RIT while bubbles were placed along the AZN>RIT route this tactic slowed down the angry BoB gang for awhile sadly the guys doing it logged off and in that event the dreads had to come out of siege mode to get away, another 5mins and that pos would of been in reinforced.
We had spent weeks setting up in Fountain the logistics involved weren't easy for a typically 15 man crew also the complete scouting of Fountain was achieved too with every pos mapped and analysied.
Losing AZN and having only 15 men in gang proved that ASCN was no longer a functioning alliance when your fellow alliance mates decide that your home is no longer worth trying to defend its over. We didn't get any offers to relocate to other parts of Feyth so decided to setup in Stain (last bastion of the damned).
So yeah DB when you lose your outposts and you have no alliance support you have to relocate but I'm pretty sure none of us said eeek, ruuuun because if we said that sort of thing we probably would never have tried to defend AZN after all. You also didn't get AZN for xmas but I'm sure your not too sad about that.
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Fi T'Zeh
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.09 10:45:00 -
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Edited by: Fi T''Zeh on 09/01/2007 10:45:29 ú$%ú$^ú$$&*(%^&%^ Forums. ....
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Rift Scorn
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.09 10:46:00 -
[273]
Originally by: Red Six Oh and log on during US timezone hours again so I can harass you over TS been entirely to long friend.
New year. New Job. New Basement to move into. No more all-nighters for this monkey for a little while.
oh yeah, and err ... stuff about things to stay on topic ......
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Fi T'Zeh
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.09 10:49:00 -
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I got an electric tooth brush for Christmas, and so far I've found it more useful than AZN. ....
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.09 10:50:00 -
[275]
Originally by: Helen Too little , too late stuff
Going to fountain gazillion jumps away from your homeland to claim silly ganks = Bad. Trying to seige pos that wont hurt the enemy in the slightest and losing your cap ships = Very bad. Arriving very late to AZN after it has fallen to enemy hands and you have no more capital system = Game over.
You dealt a bad hand and you got royaly flushed for it , learn from it and stop trying to make it sound better. "Lord Samaiel, Rise "
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Helen
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.01.09 11:02:00 -
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Edited by: Helen on 09/01/2007 11:02:59 Actually if you check your own killboards you'll see STK has had a hand in trying to defend AZN from when you put a pos in system.
Nothing about trying to sound better I'm giving factual information regarding the timeline. After all this is what people will refer to in future for information on what happened.
Also we never sieged a pos in Y-2ANO when we lost the dreads it was us jumping in dreads to try and take out an Xelas dread that was attacking ours! Please don't comment unless you were there.
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.09 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Helen Edited by: Helen on 09/01/2007 11:02:59 Please don't comment unless you were there.
I wasnt ?
Yeah right i was prob busy mining veld in empire , get a clue ffs. "Lord Samaiel, Rise "
BNC Vs CELES Video
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Proxay
Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.09 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Helen Edited by: Helen on 09/01/2007 11:02:59 Actually if you check your own killboards you'll see STK has had a hand in trying to defend AZN from when you put a pos in system.
Nothing about trying to sound better I'm giving factual information regarding the timeline. After all this is what people will refer to in future for information on what happened.
Also we never sieged a pos in Y-2ANO when we lost the dreads it was us jumping in dreads to try and take out an Xelas dread that was attacking ours! Please don't comment unless you were there.
tbh general XS view was good that ASCN was in fountain, we saw it as 'ok we'll live with em, but it just means that ASCN is 1 corp short down south to effectively defend themselves, which we saw as a tactical dis-advantage when going head on with bob.
No doubts looking back that ASCN's invasion on fountain was by far and away a horrible move, for only one day in the war did a small portion of bob come to fountain to deal with it (as far as i know), which really says a lot about the effectiveness or planning behind the operations as a whole.
Had some good fights, standout moment for me was 1v1 gallentious in a 4/10 and killed his t2 fitted stabber with my enyo...was very lol.
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.09 11:17:00 -
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Edited by: LUKEC on 09/01/2007 11:16:34
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Our return meant a 12 dread attack on a Evol? pos in RIT while bubbles were placed along the AZN>RIT route this tactic slowed down the angry BoB gang for awhile sadly the guys doing it logged off and in that event the dreads had to come out of siege mode to get away, another 5mins and that pos would of been in reinforced.
Yes you failed to reinforce pos that was 20 or so jumps away from any bigger BoB force. 5 more minutes and all your dreads would be self destructing. Also reinforcing pos doesn't really equal killing it. You would have to fight when pos would come out of reinforced mode and we all know how good that went for you.
Also your gang didn't logoff but they pulled standard 101 ascn trick ... run for your (frig) lives again and left the gate. So our gang just run through your camp for your dreads. Sadly you managed to cyno them out. Most of them.
It was ok plan... on paper. -------- The BoB model is bad for business. Incidently the BoB model is more suited for a game such as WoW where as the ASCN model more suited for Eve.
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Helen
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.01.09 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
Originally by: Helen Edited by: Helen on 09/01/2007 11:02:59 Please don't comment unless you were there.
I wasnt ?
Yeah right i was prob busy mining veld in empire , get a clue ffs.
Oh I'm sorry just when you say stuff like we were sieging a pos when infact we were attacking a Xelas dread attacking our pos then I got the impression you were no where near the place because if you were there attacking those dreads you might of been wondering why the hell the pos was shooting you.
Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 09/01/2007 11:16:34
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Our return meant a 12 dread attack on a Evol? pos in RIT while bubbles were placed along the AZN>RIT route this tactic slowed down the angry BoB gang for awhile sadly the guys doing it logged off and in that event the dreads had to come out of siege mode to get away, another 5mins and that pos would of been in reinforced.
Yes you failed to reinforce pos that was 20 or so jumps away from any bigger BoB force. 5 more minutes and all your dreads would be self destructing. Also reinforcing pos doesn't really equal killing it. You would have to fight when pos would come out of reinforced mode and we all know how good that went for you.
Also your gang didn't logoff but they pulled standard 101 ascn trick ... run for your (frig) lives again and left the gate. So our gang just run through your camp for your dreads. Sadly you managed to cyno them out. Most of them.
It was ok plan... on paper.
Which is kinda why ASCN failed wasn't it in the end if we can't pop poses when they come out of reinforced there was no hope. And I believe I never said that reinforcing a pos equals killing it. It does however tend to make you guys go very reactive which frees up other places.
As for you Proxay I'm glad you managed to kill Gallentious but how much damage did he alone inflict on your entire alliance?
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.09 11:46:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 09/01/2007 11:42:44
Originally by: Helen So yeah DB when you lose your outposts and you have no alliance support you have to relocate but I'm pretty sure none of us said eeek, ruuuun because if we said that sort of thing we probably would never have tried to defend AZN after all. You also didn't get AZN for xmas but I'm sure your not too sad about that.
Hey, I did say I had no clue what you said and was guessing (also I was very drunk when I wrote that post last night) ;p
I was sad that I didn't get AZN for xmas because it meant I missed the end of ASCN coz I was on holiday :,<
STK had a bit of a plan to get stuff done in Fountain but you made some key mistakes in achieving it.
Firstly, anything you took in Fountain, we would have ignored until we could take it back.
At no point would it have slowed down our invasion of Feth, instead it actually gave our attack more venom because as players we had lots of stuff to do. The way we set up RKK was so that we could deal with an attack on multiple regions and truth be told, I actually prefer to be under attack constantly all over the place rather than sieging in one place.
This meant that although STK had heady goals to start with, nothing that occurred in Fountain would have affected us at all. We can happily see the long term plan. What happens if we lose a station for 2 weeks? Absolutely nothing.
PNQ should have shown you the problem with attacking fountain. We ignored it because we knew you could not hold it.
If you are in a war, the last thing you do is stretch your logistical line so far that it's impossible to get new ships.
Secondly, when STK did stay in fountain, I said very quickly that we only needed to kill STK once. I was pretty sure that if you lost your dread fleet that you would pull out regardless of what was happening elsewhere because if you lot them once, you would know that you could lose them again.
I know that dreads are easy to replace in today's game but that doesn't mean that people are happy to do it everyday for no real gain.
Thirdly, we have experience of what you were doing from before. During the GNW, while the rest of PA were fighting on the frontlines in BKG, two corps - CE and KIA, who the PA looked to be some of their best fighters, were off fighting c0d and Fade Union. They were getting loads of kills against the npc'ers and miners of those alliances but this did nothing but cause internal strife within the PA. We were certain this would start to happen with STK as well... and it did. The general populace of ASCN started questioning what STK was actually achieving in Fountain. Although you answered well, you merely delayed the inevitable.
I'm afraid I'm not going to sit and tell you what you should have done, that is for you to try and work out.
Truth be told, STK had some spunk but without the experience, backing and a few other things that I won't mention, you never had a chance.
Either way, at least you aren't bitter like various other corp leaders who we have fought against.
Take STK from here and do something fun with it.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Confessor
Lynx Frontier Inc. Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.09 11:47:00 -
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Let's actually sum this up from the ASCN FC point of view during the last weeks. only a few carriers participated, and 1 man flew 5 dread accounts to put a pos in reinforced in c9n. Meanwhile, the plex *****s ARE raping the plexes 23/7 making isk for themselves and thier "capital support" corps that of course never materialized on the home front. I dont want to hear anymore bullsh1t from the ascn corps that claimed to be supporting us fools ont he front line fighting tooth and nail for your full retreat while hearing "we'll be right there boys, just one more day, hold tight, fight to the end"
Daskintiger, tasha yor, and a select few others that stepped up with me to fc, You have my best reguards.
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Proxay
Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.09 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Helen
As for you Proxay I'm glad you managed to kill Gallentious but how much damage did he alone inflict on your entire alliance?
oh wasn't bragging, just saying that was fun.
Yeah, that was a mean stabber, good fights, and some skilled pvpers in STK (god tremerlyn needs to turn on his guns when he gets shot) for the most part, certainly an agressive and bold move, especially pnq, but essentially as dbp just outlined, it was fruitless.
Good luck in the future though of course.
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.09 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: welsh wizard Helen, honestly mate, don't bother. Sense and reason aren't welcome in here.
I take it you didnt actually bother to read my post then
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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welsh wizard
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.01.09 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: welsh wizard Helen, honestly mate, don't bother. Sense and reason aren't welcome in here.
I take it you didnt actually bother to read my post then
dbp
Your post was great, I'm referring to the usual suspects.
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Fuglife
TOUAREGS
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Posted - 2007.01.09 12:20:00 -
[286]
Originally by: welsh wizard Helen, honestly mate, don't bother. Sense and reason aren't welcome in here.
BACK TO YOUR BRIDGE TROLL!!!!
And as for you helen, why wont you return my calls _____
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.09 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: welsh wizard
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: welsh wizard Helen, honestly mate, don't bother. Sense and reason aren't welcome in here.
I take it you didnt actually bother to read my post then
dbp
Your post was great, I'm referring to the usual suspects.
Let you off then
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Helen
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.01.09 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: Fuglife
Originally by: welsh wizard Helen, honestly mate, don't bother. Sense and reason aren't welcome in here.
BACK TO YOUR BRIDGE TROLL!!!!
And as for you helen, why wont you return my calls
Probably because you left me after new years eve feeling alone and used... why didn't you call me sooner.
Also Welsh yeah I know sense and reason get left at the door in this place usually but doesn't mean I like getting kicked around.
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Faramir.
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.01.09 12:28:00 -
[289]
It would seem my timing is off.
Better luck next war
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Fi T'Zeh
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.09 12:31:00 -
[290]
Originally by: Faramir. It would seem my timing is off.
Better luck next war
ZOMG IT LIIIIIIIIIVES ....
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WETRAIN
Minmatar ROMANIA Renegades
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Posted - 2007.01.09 12:42:00 -
[291]
Originally by: Faramir. It would seem my timing is off.
Better luck next war
Holy Moses ... Faramir .. the name brings pain into my heart sincer the GNW ----------------------------------------- When People are Ready the Master will come. - Original by Anihilus - -----------------------------------------
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Nomore Telindus
Gallente Wings of Turul Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.09 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Helen Our return meant a 12 dread attack on a Evol? pos in RIT while bubbles were placed along the AZN>RIT route this tactic slowed down the angry BoB gang for awhile sadly the guys doing it logged off and in that event the dreads had to come out of siege mode to get away, another 5mins and that pos would of been in reinforced.
For the record: I made the bubbles and we didn't logged off. The BoB gang killed our little force at the gate, that is why we disappeared from the local.
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.09 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Nomore Telindus
Originally by: Helen Our return meant a 12 dread attack on a Evol? pos in RIT while bubbles were placed along the AZN>RIT route this tactic slowed down the angry BoB gang for awhile sadly the guys doing it logged off and in that event the dreads had to come out of siege mode to get away, another 5mins and that pos would of been in reinforced.
For the record: I made the bubbles and we didn't logged off. The BoB gang killed our little force at the gate, that is why we disappeared from the local.
Actually, if the 100 man fleet that ran to AZN had just thrown theirselves infront of us, that would have given you the time to actually put the pos into reinforced.
We were actually split up between that fleet but we outmanouvered them, got together then they legged it back to AZN letting us steamroll down to the pos.
Nothing is more exciting than being in a mob of BoB chasing down a target :D
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Helen
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.01.09 13:15:00 -
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I was told the guys doing it had to log off due to RL mate didn't realise you guys got popped, oh well.
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Ian Novarider
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2007.01.09 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Confessor Meanwhile, the plex *****s ARE raping the plexes 23/7 making isk for themselves and thier "capital support" corps that of course never materialized on the home front. I dont want to hear anymore bullsh1t from the ascn corps that claimed to be supporting us fools ont he front line fighting tooth and nail for your full retreat while hearing "we'll be right there boys, just one more day, hold tight, fight to the end"
Greetings, Confessor
would you care to name those people or corps you believe to have "raped the plexes 23/7 making isk for themselves " ?
I can only speak about the team doing the 10/10 plex in D-F. They did not run the plex for themselves. If you want to know where the money from that plex has been used : check killboards for number of EDF and VAF ships (including several capital ships) having been destroyed defending ASCN space (many ! - most ASCN gangs had a high number of EDF pilots). Not to forget the cost for POS parts and POS fuel. Add to that capital ship jump fuel expenses. Add again the amount of money needed for mineral compression in Empire, to make cheap ship replacements programs possible. Plus a certain amount of cash for the Titan building coming from plex revenues. The money did NOT go into the wallets of the individual pilots running the plex.
It is possible that some plexes have been run by certain people or certain corps for their own profit during the war. If this is so, please mention their names and which plex has been abused in your opinion.
At present I think you are making a general statement which is not true.
Have fun
Ian
Quote: Know thy enemy and know thyself and thou will be victorious in all thy battles.
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Kirja
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Posted - 2007.01.09 16:20:00 -
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Edited by: Kirja on 09/01/2007 16:23:51
Originally by: Ariel Durant "A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within." .
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Kirja
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Posted - 2007.01.09 16:20:00 -
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Edited by: Kirja on 09/01/2007 16:23:51
Originally by: Ariel Durant "A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within." .
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Castryon Merk
Minmatar SUBLIME L.L.C. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.09 16:35:00 -
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Yeah, GF all... even though it was like taking 10 people with machine guns into a fight with 40 people with knives...
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SARPIDON
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2007.01.09 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Riddlock
Originally by: Zarin
Originally by: Ikvar
Originally by: Rennard
This is very important what they will do. ASCN pvpers who lost, they didnt quit game, their skills still exists, their experience grow a lot more.
What will they do?
Join BOB?
We know how hard it is to make a bunch of carebears fight, how hard is it to make someone without a sense of honour, loyal to the Horde. I mean, if you build an alliance from fallen enemies, how quickly will they change sides next time?
If bob gets the pvp'ers from ascn , wich tbh are not that many , bob will only get stronger , I personally think that will be very very very very very nice to fly in gangs with ppl who know how to fit a ship , have the isk to fit those pesky tech 2 items and actually perform the complicated things such as align, warp the fk off, activate f1-f8 on primary .
/me trains for dice forum warrioring skill
You seem to have some brown stuff on your nose and face, would you like a tissue? Oh and if you need to get any higher up that hole, Im sure you know a few guys with ladders...
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Rift Scorn
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.09 22:02:00 -
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Edited by: Rift Scorn on 09/01/2007 22:01:17
Originally by: SARPIDON
Originally by: Riddlock
Originally by: Zarin
Originally by: Ikvar
Originally by: Rennard
This is very important what they will do. ASCN pvpers who lost, they didnt quit game, their skills still exists, their experience grow a lot more.
What will they do?
Join BOB?
We know how hard it is to make a bunch of carebears fight, how hard is it to make someone without a sense of honour, loyal to the Horde. I mean, if you build an alliance from fallen enemies, how quickly will they change sides next time?
If bob gets the pvp'ers from ascn , wich tbh are not that many , bob will only get stronger , I personally think that will be very very very very very nice to fly in gangs with ppl who know how to fit a ship , have the isk to fit those pesky tech 2 items and actually perform the complicated things such as align, warp the fk off, activate f1-f8 on primary .
/me trains for dice forum warrioring skill
You seem to have some brown stuff on your nose and face, would you like a tissue? Oh and if you need to get any higher up that hole, Im sure you know a few guys with ladders...
Riddlock accused of brown nosing BoB!
There's a first! I see you don't know your ex-Alliance mates very well, he was in lower Delve almost constantly through this war in all fairness.
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