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Serret
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ma'kai
What I'm saying is where do you draw the line? The stuff BoB posted from ASCN's private forums was just that, private. If BoB got Cyvok's real life email password, would you guys view his private email?
If we got CYVOK's email password, we might look at it.
However, since there is no such thing as a person named CYVOK in real life, I very much doubt that will ever happen. --
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Obidios
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.01.05 21:41:00 -
[122]
Welll done BOB, very well done and quicker than most would suspect. Had fun in that war while I was in BOB, not a classic but one of the better ones. -----------------
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DoctorGonzo
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Orree Huh?
ATUK was in The Five at the time...how is that BoB? Serious question. I remember fighting ATUK and Shinra...with incursions from Imperium corps and Burn Eden spending some time. Rarely if ever was there a BoB corp in Fountain when (I feel) we (FA) really died.
Maybe The Five and BoB were one-in-the-same, but I have never seen it officially said to be so.
BoB was formed during the GNW and comprised of ATUK, BNC, EVOL, m0o and RKK. We (all the BoB corps) always considered ATUK part of BoB even when they were doing TheFive thing. I'm suprised this is news as we've always said and maintained this position.
If I remember correctly at the time of the ATUK invasion, ShinRa had taken Paragon Soul and RKK & BNC were taking Delve while fighting FIX in Querious.
Hope that's cleared that up
Originally by: Blacklight I think Madeye and CRYVOK have delusions of adequacy!
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2007.01.05 21:44:00 -
[124]
You can love these guys or you can hate em.
But you gotta respect em.
They're smart and dedicated.
It shows in everything they do, including their writing.
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Ma'kai
Two Brothers Mining Corp.
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Posted - 2007.01.05 21:47:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Vince Draken
Originally by: Ma'kai
Originally by: Resipsa Loquitor
Originally by: Ma'kai Whats even funnier is watching all the /respect from BoB after Gungkiller posted the surrender. Why say one thing when your actions during the war were completely the opposite?
Easy: because there is no more war.
I liken it to boxing: During the build up and the fight, you try to kill one another and destroy completely. You threaten, you nash teeth, you spit, you pose. The fight occurs and all out hell follows. After the fight, there is no reason to feel or act that way anymore. It is over. The most important aspect that, even though there is a victor selected, is that both sides worked very hard to get there and shared a common experience and emotion for the game. That's why you'll see most of the fighters congratulating each other, even after one takes a crushing loss.
It's the difference between being a professional and not. The war is (mostly) concluded. We are professional. We pay and paid our respects when deserved.
Plus, really, what does it gain at this point? Nothing. Professionals don't waste effort.
If I remember, there are rules in boxing. What you did would be considered hitting below the belt.
Heres an appropiate analogy. Last week I played someone in a card game for money. He got up and went to the bathroom in the middle of a hand. Now, a good sportsman wouldn't have picked up his cards and looked at them, even if they were now "available public knowledge". Even if you did pick them up, you then proceeded to announce what a poor hand he had to everyone in the room. Like what you did on eve-o. Thats poor sportsmanship.
Can you please step down off your pedistil? Your HC went to great lengths to insult bob on your forums. The same HC who ran the forums did such a poor job of policing them you had as many readers as the E-O forums. How do you expect the lies and insults that your HC spewed at BOB not to see the light of day? Your own HC alsop claimed multiple times to have their own bob spies. So please, give it a rest.
Yes, i'm done. From what I gathered, there is no limit on how far BoB will go if given the chance. Thats all I wanted to hear.
And you know what I ment when I said Cyvok's real life email. Unfortunately I do not know his real name, so thats how i refer to him. But you answered my question by stating you would look at his email, thank you.
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Orree
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.05 21:48:00 -
[126]
Originally by: DoctorGonzo
Originally by: Orree Huh?
ATUK was in The Five at the time...how is that BoB? Serious question. I remember fighting ATUK and Shinra...with incursions from Imperium corps and Burn Eden spending some time. Rarely if ever was there a BoB corp in Fountain when (I feel) we (FA) really died.
Maybe The Five and BoB were one-in-the-same, but I have never seen it officially said to be so.
BoB was formed during the GNW and comprised of ATUK, BNC, EVOL, m0o and RKK. We (all the BoB corps) always considered ATUK part of BoB even when they were doing TheFive thing. I'm suprised this is news as we've always said and maintained this position.
If I remember correctly at the time of the ATUK invasion, ShinRa had taken Paragon Soul and RKK & BNC were taking Delve while fighting FIX in Querious.
Hope that's cleared that up
Perhaps is was common knowledge...lol...just not to me.
I always knew that you may as well have been one in the same because you would never fight each other, always seemed to be on the same page, etc. I still viewed you as two seperate entities, though. Five was Five...BoB was BoB. That's why I said what I said.
Thanks for the edification.
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Comstr
Technology Acquisition Collective Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.05 21:52:00 -
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I respect thier militry capabilities. It involves risk, judgement and skill.
Offlineing POS's with a spy has none of these things, and has no honor either. BoB gained no honor from it, no self-profesed enjoyment from combat and only gained shame for doing it. As you well knew then and now, you don't need to do that to win, but you have, and will surly continue to do so in the future.
BoB is one of the few alliences that can CHOOSE to fight with Honor, bravery and skill, and be assured they will come out on top. The face that they do not choose to do so, but prefer to win some fights in easymode, is a shame that will haunt thier victories and glory forever.
Thier victory is a mighty one.
It is also a stained one, not all covered in glittering glory.
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Serret
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 21:52:00 -
[128]
Edited by: Serret on 05/01/2007 21:54:30
Originally by: Ma'kai
And you know what I ment when I said Cyvok's real life email. Unfortunately I do not know his real name, so thats how i refer to him. But you answered my question by stating you would look at his email, thank you.
And for proving that you are one of the lemmings who insist on conflating real life with a game where no such ambiguity exists, thank you.
Quote: I just wanted to know what it would take to fight BoB on an even level.
You don't have it. --
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Resipsa Loquitor
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ma'kai poker analogy
Just so no one misunderstands, I am a peon and speak for no one besides myself. This is my own interpretation. You can interpret that statement however you see fit û I can't control what you think.
Hardly appropriate and poorly chosen for your original topic. I selected my analogy for the point in answering your question regarding how we can "rip your soul out" and then "congratulate" you when it is done for the efforts made. However, if we want to shift the analogy for your new topic, ok.
Boxing has something that Eve does not in 0.0 warfare: referees. True, there are GMs, but usually they're floating around solving technical issues - they are not there to ensure one side wins or not (even though some claim they do - tin foil hat please [and why do people say 'tin foil' - it's really aluminum, but I digress])!
There is no ref in 0.0. There is no one to save you if you do something wrong. No one is there to save you when the fighter is on the other side of the gate and you're not ready for the fight. Even if you are ready, you might not win. I've done some very dumb things and I was the one that had to pay for them. My good friend Herculite has told me that when you die you should ask yourself "What did I do wrong?" Sometimes the answer is to fight. Sometimes the answer is to run.
As for the poker player analogy, he's an idiot if he left the table with real money. Sorry, but you don't leave the table once a hand is dealt and in play. You fold if you have to go take a dump or put on some man diapers and "upload to the network" there. The cards are your responsibility once they're dealt. If you let them sit there and someone else looks at them, that's your fault for not managing them. It's your money. Why would you trust someone that is trying to take money from you? True, it takes an affirmative act on the part of the other player, but is it against the rules? Maybe or maybe not û depends on what you agreed to. Why risk it? Would it be unsportsman like to look at the cards? Definitely. And you still lose.
ASCN risked it and left their cards on the table constantly. Expansionist and unrestricted recruiting. Poor TS password management. Pathetic forums management. Best of all: they lied to their members and got caught by the enemy doing so. Wishing something didn't happen doesn't take it away. They did this all to themselves by not taking care of their own business. They have no one to blame except themselves. I don't recall anyone agreeing not to spy on the other. And to expect others to act as "honorable gentlemen", dress up in snazzy red uniforms, and get into lines to shoot one another, this is the wrong game. Do you think people don't try to spy on BoB or D2 or any other forums? Please.
Ethics? Morals? There are no ethics in this game. This is a WAR game - you are allowed to kill. Eve is not poker. Go leave a can of megacyte in Jita and tell everyone in local "Hey, I'm going afk for 5 û I'll get that can in a minute" and see if it's really left there. Not doing it proves my point inherently. Back to your poker analogy, the hand you are dealt is the one that you're fitted with when the overview goes from clear to yellow to red. The only morals are not to betray the vision of the well-fought battle and the path to reach it û to celebrate not only the pinnacle but also the journey to it. The only tactics that are shunned by all (or should be) are technical exploits.
There is one thing that is definitely alive and well in Eve though: Loyalty. Loyalty to your self, your mates, your corporation, and your alliance. The fanacism of BoB members is an expression of this loyalty to each other; it is an extreme loyalty built on a shared vision. As a newer member, even I'm awed by it. --- John McCreedy and EDF never paid their complex runners for the 100s of billions gathered in the name of EDF and ASCN. Who's the slave master now, McGreedy? Where's the money? Pay ARC! |
Ma'kai
Two Brothers Mining Corp.
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Posted - 2007.01.05 21:54:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Serret Edited by: Serret on 05/01/2007 21:53:13
Originally by: Ma'kai
And you know what I ment when I said Cyvok's real life email. Unfortunately I do not know his real name, so thats how i refer to him. But you answered my question by stating you would look at his email, thank you.
And for proving that you are one of the lemmings who insist on conflating real life with a game where no such ambiguity exists, thank you.
Quote: I just wanted to know what it would take to fight BoB on an even level.
You don't have it.
at least I haven't resorted to name calling.
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Kcel Chim
Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five
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Posted - 2007.01.05 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Orree Edited by: Orree on 05/01/2007 21:50:11
Originally by: DoctorGonzo
Originally by: Orree Huh?
ATUK was in The Five at the time...how is that BoB? Serious question. I remember fighting ATUK and Shinra...with incursions from Imperium corps and Burn Eden spending some time. Rarely if ever was there a BoB corp in Fountain when (I feel) we (FA) really died.
Maybe The Five and BoB were one-in-the-same, but I have never seen it officially said to be so.
BoB was formed during the GNW and comprised of ATUK, BNC, EVOL, m0o and RKK. We (all the BoB corps) always considered ATUK part of BoB even when they were doing TheFive thing. I'm suprised this is news as we've always said and maintained this position.
If I remember correctly at the time of the ATUK invasion, ShinRa had taken Paragon Soul and RKK & BNC were taking Delve while fighting FIX in Querious.
Hope that's cleared that up
Perhaps is was common knowledge...lol...just not to me.
I always knew that you may as well have been one in the same because you would never fight each other, always seemed to be on the same page, etc. I still viewed you as two seperate entities, though. Five was Five...BoB was BoB. That's why I said what I said.
BTW..I think it was Period Basis for Shinra....and yes, BoB took Delve without a fight, too...heheh.
Thanks for the edification.
Atuk wasnt Five at the time we invaded FA. Five was found after we left Fountain and moved back to Curse/Catch. At that time we were in no alliance. Despite all ingame Alliance tickers we were always part of bob since the GNW till Atuk moathballed and our plays went officially with Dice into the BoB iga.
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Roller
Syn-Packet Security
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Posted - 2007.01.05 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: SirMolle
Soon, the Pendulum will swing again. Tick Tock.
Any soverign Alliance (non-pet) that is foolish enough to work with BoB again has been warned.
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Ma'kai
Two Brothers Mining Corp.
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Posted - 2007.01.05 22:13:00 -
[133]
Edited by: Ma''kai on 05/01/2007 22:13:14
Originally by: Resipsa Loquitor
Originally by: Ma'kai poker analogy
The only tactics that are shunned by all (or should be) are technical exploits.
Good Point. This is where I misunderstood. I've hijacked your thread long enough. Thanks for clearing things up Resispa. Grats to BoB on your victory against ASCN. I'm anxious to see what happens in your next war.
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Drake Mezcal
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.01.05 22:16:00 -
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Molle
Now the war is over, can i ask your feelings towards ex-members of ASCN.
I was just hoping, after such a victory would it be possible to show a little respect, maybe remove any offencive sigs etc. No need for the anti-ASCN propaganda anymore. A lot of people have moved on, myself included but we still belive in the dream that was once ASCN, and it would be nice to remember it positivly, rather than offensivly.
Also, you havent commented on CYVOK leaving, just wondering your opinion on the guy. Personally i believe yes he had his faults, but he did his best to run a sucsessfull alliance, but was too easy going, this lead to us being unprepared. That aside, i thought he was an excellent leader and will certainly learn from his mistake.
If your gonna shoot me/us down with insults and critizims, please dont respond, just looking for a bit of sportsmanship.
Thank You Drake
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.05 22:18:00 -
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Over? What do you mean over, its barely got started has it!
C'mon guys who is with me? Lets go!!!!!!11
/me looks around to see half a dozen people running off into the distance.
/me runs off into the distance.
It could have been great but it ended up being mostly boring and crap.
Oh well. On the next adventure.
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Buzzmong
Gallente Raptus Regaliter Pride - Honor - Duty
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Posted - 2007.01.05 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: Buzzmong on 05/01/2007 22:20:03 Have to admit, the fall of ASCN has been impressive, albeit for the wrong reasons.
--------------------------------- Member of Raptus Regaliter
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Tabaldak
Caldari eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.05 22:21:00 -
[137]
Hmm, sportsmanship from bob...please. I've found out many things from the bobbits;
The bobbits are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them. They cannot be made to feel remorse. For some reason, bobbits do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility. When you try to reason with a bobbit, he wins. When you insult a bobbit, he wins. When you scream at a bobbit, he wins. The only thing that bobbits can't handle is being ignored."
The only way to deal with bobbits is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to bobs.
p.s. insert "troll" wherever it says bobbit and you get a cookie.
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Orree
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.05 22:22:00 -
[138]
(stopping thw quote chain because it was getting ridiculous...lol)
Thanks, Kcel...it was also my recollection that ATUK was not in an alliance at the time the invasion began, I just couldn't remember for sure.
I definitely appreciate the clarification.
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SirMolle
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 22:22:00 -
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Edited by: SirMolle on 05/01/2007 22:23:15 meh, forum ate my post.
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Robert Dobbs
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Mezcal No need for the anti-ASCN propaganda anymore.
The "propaganda" wasn't there to help us win the war. The sigs were made for our amusement. I'm afraid n0rab will feature in my sig for a long time to come, because his act of cowardice deserved it. I don't speak for Molle, but if you are looking for a resolution, some acknowledgement of our mutual respect as enemy alliances, some condoling words to soothe the pain, I doubt you'll find them here. Respect is earned.
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.05 22:32:00 -
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Edited by: Fitz Chivalry on 05/01/2007 22:29:19
Originally by: Robert Dobbs I'm afraid n0rab will feature in my sig for a long time to come, because his act of cowardice deserved it.
Why was it an act of cowardice to deny you the loot and the satisfaction of the kill?
p.s. that was a quick poo, i bet u never washed your hands.
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Drake Mezcal
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.01.05 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Dobbs
Originally by: Drake Mezcal No need for the anti-ASCN propaganda anymore.
The "propaganda" wasn't there to help us win the war. The sigs were made for our amusement. I'm afraid n0rab will feature in my sig for a long time to come, because his act of cowardice deserved it. I don't speak for Molle, but if you are looking for a resolution, some acknowledgement of our mutual respect as enemy alliances, some condoling words to soothe the pain, I doubt you'll find them here. Respect is earned.
Thanks for that, Gf
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CamMan
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: God
Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius
Originally by: SirMolle ... We claim, and no one can dispute, a full and complete victory ...
... is it de ja vu? ....
No, you just arent very smart
Arent privateers the biggest nublets in game! For the not so intelligent privateers i must say that yes in the big wide spaces of 0.0 where there is no concord to protect you, alliances can be killed and wars can be won. Perhaps you should stick to empire, 0.0 is far too scary a place for the likes of you empire griefing muppets. Also note how no current or ex-ASCN member is disputing the facts that Molle has said? If you dont know what you are talking about you should STFU and learn.
Again props to the ASCN members who stood up and engaged us in PvP, special note to Zungen who singlehandedly wouldnt give up the fight, even when he ws flying solo towards the end cause his mates wouldnt undock.
Whilst as Molle says there were few epic battles, there was one, maybe it was epic because of the odds against us but any battle where on average a ship dies every 15 seconds, and the fight lasts for over an hour, and ends with wrecks spread out over a 500km battlefield, i think that counts as epic. So props to those pilots who tried to take our AZN-D2 POS. That battle sure was a lot of fun.
Cheers Cam
Originally by: Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
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ItakeItDeep
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Posted - 2007.01.05 22:40:00 -
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Edited by: ItakeItDeep on 05/01/2007 22:40:36
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NAFnist
Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.05 22:41:00 -
[145]
BOB is evil - Regards NAFnist |
CamMan
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 22:43:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Comstr I respect thier militry capabilities. It involves risk, judgement and skill.
Offlineing POS's with a spy has none of these things, and has no honor either. BoB gained no honor from it
OMG i knew that ASCN ate those HC stories like cheese cake, I honstely believed that the rest of the EVE community were smart enough to form an educated opinion.
Let me just catagorically say No BoB's spy has ever turned off an ASCN POS, that whole spin was the ASCN HC's way of saying we dont know what happened so we will blame everyone but ourselves.
Cheers CamMan
Originally by: Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
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Jakkul
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.01.05 22:52:00 -
[147]
Well, it was fun... I'll take my hat off to bob, they rocked from day one and wasn't an entirely unpleasant experience See you round sometime
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HC MasiEEE
V I R I I Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2007.01.05 22:56:00 -
[148]
Nice stats there
Curious whose next tho ________________________ HC MasiEEE - V I R I I
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CamMan
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Will Fireblade
Hopefully for someone who is worth it not some mining alliance with a few fighters in it.. So yeah if you ask me no big accomplisment there anyone with the logistics and firepower you have could do that. In the end like you said it was another POS war.
I believe you have your facts all about face. ASCN was considered the biggest and strongest alliance before the war, many people honestly believed that ASCN could beat BoB. It was rumoured that ASCN had more BS's in stock then most alliances (except Goonies of course) had frigates. Just because they lost there is no reason to tarnish what they once were.
And you say it broke down to a POS war, in saying that you have clearly proven that you do not know what a POS war is. I will clarify for you. A POS war is when both sides spam POS's like no tomorrow and try to take sovereignty through shear number of POS's in system, and not because they actually kill the enemies POS's. As Molle said we deployed the absolute minimum of POS's and instead killed all the ASCN POS's so that our 1 or 2 POS's held sovereignty. This is POS bashing, not a POS war.
Hopefully that clears up your misconceptions.
Cheers CamMan
Originally by: Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
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Dominixa
Shadows of the Dead Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.05 23:04:00 -
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Gjob guys! 200 ships a day is alot of pew pew!
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