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HostageTaker
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.06 03:04:00 -
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Just wanna say thanks to ASCN, Cyvok and McCreedy.
If it wasn't for the "content" that you provided me with, the StarWars sigs wouldn't be featured in a recent 5 page magazine spread concerning the ASCN - BoB war.
Really enjoyed seeing my sigs in a magazine.
P.S. (3 of the 35+ sigs made throughout the campaign were shown)
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Feawina
Ducks of DooM
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Posted - 2007.01.06 03:05:00 -
[182]
litle note to some: Eventually all empires shall fall like trees... we are the lumberjacks!!
makes you wonder if any BoB fc¦s ever felt the urge to utter in local: We are the borg...
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iceyreloaded
Amarr Sha Kharn Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.06 03:07:00 -
[183]
Congrats on crushing victory Bob. I know our corp enjoyed plenty of great skirmishes with you all. There were many frustrating times for us as a Corp. It's been said before, lack of leadership, communication, co-ordination. I'm just repeating so I'll go no further. Personally I felt the turning point moral-wise for ASCN was when CYVOK quit. I was stunned. Now I'll just clarify this is not a personal slight on CYVOK, because I liked the guy from the convo's in TS I had personally, however, the last thing IMO a leader should do is quit when things go wrong. Biggest mistake ever.
Anyway it's all over now, live and learn everyone :) Cya in space o/
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Brunswick2
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.06 03:10:00 -
[184]
See you in fountain!
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Amthrianius
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.06 03:12:00 -
[185]
Originally by: DeadDuck You destroyed ASCN and what have your earn with that, besides fun - and please donÆt say that you could only have fun with ASCN -?
We took on what we believed from the onset was the most competent enemy that could give us the hardest fight/challenge. At the time D2 was a non-factor really, severely weakened by the beating they took of a few t1 frigs ganking all their dread fleets over and over. We dont really like picking on weak/decapitated targets and wanted something more of a challenge. God knows how fast D2 would have gone back then. Less stations, less members, less well, everything really.
Considering D2's state back then if we had gone for you we would have been accused of picking on the weak. If we went and picked a side in the Coalition vs RA thing we would have been accused of bandwaggoning and blobbing, and the lag wouldnt have been as much fun. And well the rest of eve, pfft we would just be accused of playing on easy mode :p
Damned if you do and Damned if you don't.
/me starts building Hadrian Wall. ---------------
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Smoking Mirror
Secret Interests Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.06 03:28:00 -
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Originally by: DeadDuck
Your biggest victory is also your biggest defeat. The "aura" is lost forever, people now know that BOB are not trusty and are capable of twist sides with a single "NAP RESET". Is not easy to keep friends when you use people like you use. You have reached your zenith and in the horizon the first clouds of a big storm are already showing...I will take the words of the Topic Starter and will say:
The higher you are the bigger the fall
Time will tell if you were right and I was wrong. Good luck BOB, I think you will need it.
I'm submitting this for the 2007 Internet Awards in the category, "Unintended Irony".
D2, complaining about NAP resets?
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Metal Dude
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.06 03:29:00 -
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Edited by: Metal Dude on 06/01/2007 03:30:19
Everyone in BoB can only dreams of massive Titan battles for every single POS that comes out of reinforcement in BoBs space. If we get destroyed, so be it. It will take the whole EVE to do it. Corps in BoB will move on to other, better things. No one will be canceling our subscriptions, thatÆs for sure and most will be looking for targets and Payback (I love that movie). Count on that.
The truth will set you free
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Kcel Chim
Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five
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Posted - 2007.01.06 03:44:00 -
[188]
Originally by: DeadDuck It was a nice offensive and very well executed, unfortunately ASCN didnÆt hold as much as I was expecting, the quality gap between BOB and ASCN leaderships was to big, BUT in my personal opinion you just hit the wrong target, you choose to destroy what could have been your biggest ally, an ally that according with todayÆs events would have been very handy, like it was in the past.
Ascn were never really great allies to start with. Ascn lied, backstabbed and only cared for itself in the past be it in 5. days or now as in the Tribal Souls conflict. Tho i guess for you (d2?) a nap with a bad ally is more important then a good fight and some destruction on the horizon.
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You destroyed ASCN and what have your earn with that, besides fun - and please donÆt say that you could only have fun with ASCN -?
Ascn provided or was supposed to provide the best competition. Afterall they were labeled as one of the titans of eve. Fun and prestige were to be earned by BoB. I understand that might once again be not that important compared to a solid nap with a bad ally to you (d2?).
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You have destroyed ASCN and with them AXE pulled back, incapable of dealing alone with AAA. You have now AAA as a neighbour. DonÆt know why but I have the feeling that it wasnÆt a good swap ... Even if you put new friendly alliances in the new regions, they will always be weak and will always trust at their landlordÆs strength and not at their own strength, we can take as example the Fountain situation.
Please dont compare a npc region with an outpost region, 2 different pairs of shoes. AAA are competent but havent declared a war yet, unless u wanna enlighten us ?
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Your biggest victory is also your biggest defeat. The "aura" is lost forever, people now know that BOB are not trusty and are capable of twist sides with a single "NAP RESET". Is not easy to keep friends when you use people like you use. You have reached your zenith and in the horizon the first clouds of a big storm are already showing...I will take the words of the Topic Starter and will say:
The higher you are the bigger the fall
Time will tell if you were right and I was wrong. Good luck BOB, I think you will need it.
I think you made a good point at the end of your post, D2 is known for its naps, BoB is known for crushing ppl and honouring agreements. Agreements which can be canceled if they arent beneficial anymore to BoB. Sounds smart and better then a stagnant "nap city". Each to their own i guess.
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Eskalin
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.06 03:44:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Robert Dobbs I'm off for a poo.
thats hot like carl, anyone up for space docking?
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Trich Anosis
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.06 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Originally by: Davlin Lotze Credit is due obviously. Displacing ASCN from Feyth wasn't something that alot thought would be as easy as you made it seem. Well played.
But what I don't get still is why you cheapen your efforts and accomplishments with the Burn Eden-eqse forum spying and the other forms of out-of-game inflitration??? It just makes you look "low rent."
And with the rot from within that was the case with ASCN, the out of game stuff was even more unnecessary. Hell, just find any number of disgruntled current or former ASCN at the outset of this operation and utilize them.
The point here is two-fold, one to congratulate real accomplishment and two, to ask why turnaround and cheap it with stuff that's unnecessary? Wouldn't you come off as even more of a "eve juggernaut" if you eschewed the out of game crap and not inflitrate official alliance forums, TS, etc?
You think it cheapened the war, I claim otherwise. The spying was not necessary to win battles, but it allowed us to show EVE a massive discrepancy between ASCN's public and private personas. In private, BoB was the devil. In public, false respects and various other forms of pandering were shown.
Had ASCN refrained from making such posts in private, we would not have felt the need to expose and refute them in public. Had they not become so upset over the concept of spying, and accused its legitimacy in EVE, we would not have felt the need to continue doing it.
In the end, it was entertainment at their expense. Didn't have to be that way, but that will be a lesson to inherit.
x about 1,000,000^2
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Shardrael
Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.01.06 03:55:00 -
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well planned and executed
for what its worth most of the best fights in my eve career thus far were from this war and I am thankful for that experience
regardless of how much I may dislike some of your forum/out of game tactics you have your **** together and not many would dispute that.
heres a toast to whats coming
Originally by: Stamm Some people might have been convinced by the official announcement posted by Steelrat, but not me, I wasn't convinced until some random alt posts a brand new thread.
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Arenis Xemdal
Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.06 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: DeadDuck
Your biggest victory is also your biggest defeat. The "aura" is lost forever, people now know that BOB are not trusty and are capable of twist sides with a single "NAP RESET". Is not easy to keep friends when you use people like you use. You have reached your zenith and in the horizon the first clouds of a big storm are already showing...I will take the words of the Topic Starter and will say:
Your argument is severely flawed, DeadDuck. Treachery in EVE is when you attack an ally or plot against them under a guise of friendship. There is no treachery in resetting standings when its done the proper way and at the proper time.
Everyone has done it at some point or another. Standings are not the equivalent of friendships. You cannot love or hate thy neighbour based on the color of his ship in space alone. Individuals who take it so literally are the same type to cry when they discover their "allies" are not willing to sacrifice everything. Becoming neutral with ASCN yielded as many benefits to them as it did to us. At the time, it appeared as if the northern alliances would attack in a massive coalition. This would have given ASCN the option of participating or opting out and ignoring any requests for assistance. From that moment in history to the start of ASCN war planning and declaration of hostilities lies many months. Either you are conveniently overlooking this fact, or you have not been in D2 long enough to know details.
Not to derail this wonderful thread, which has absolutely nothing to do with D2.. but your history with ISS and how the change in standings came about to be is closer to "treachery" than anything BoB has ever done. Its quite obvious when your leadership needs to justify this war by claiming ISS is the cashcow of BoB & LV. By all means, destroy them. Our cashcow is in your back yard.
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Scared Mofo
Minmatar Diamonds inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.06 05:11:00 -
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Originally by: DeadDuck It was a nice offensive and very well executed, unfortunately ASCN didnÆt hold as much as I was expecting, the quality gap between BOB and ASCN leaderships was to big, BUT in my personal opinion you just hit the wrong target, you choose to destroy what could have been your biggest ally, an ally that according with todayÆs events would have been very handy, like it was in the past.
You destroyed ASCN and what have your earn with that, besides fun - and please donÆt say that you could only have fun with ASCN -?
You have destroyed ASCN and with them AXE pulled back, incapable of dealing alone with AAA. You have now AAA as a neighbour. DonÆt know why but I have the feeling that it wasnÆt a good swap ... Even if you put new friendly alliances in the new regions, they will always be weak and will always trust at their landlordÆs strength and not at their own strength, we can take as example the Fountain situation.
Your biggest victory is also your biggest defeat. The "aura" is lost forever, people now know that BOB are not trusty and are capable of twist sides with a single "NAP RESET". Is not easy to keep friends when you use people like you use. You have reached your zenith and in the horizon the first clouds of a big storm are already showing...I will take the words of the Topic Starter and will say:
The higher you are the bigger the fall
Time will tell if you were right and I was wrong. Good luck BOB, I think you will need it.
Err well, about those thingies that could hurt BoB, I pretty much think that the moment is gone and you were waving and smiling as it passed by. Now ASCN will assist in killing you again; not as an ASCN entity, but as bigger BoB entity ;) Have fun in D3 perhaps...
Nah I'm just rambling nonsense, of course they'll not come after D2. BoB will stop their "Ascendance" now that they had the best fun and when they are blood thirsty, i'm sure they will settle down in feith and have children with the conquered ex-ASCN population and mine to feed their children. Keep chillin' and take it easy
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File
Gallente eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.06 05:42:00 -
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ASCN vs BoB has been my first real PvP experience - and certainly a very interesting one.
I have to admit, that by the end of the war I held far more respect for BoB than I did for most of ASCN. Yeah BoB are arrogant, often unpleasant - but they're also fun to kill and they don't log out of bubbles (which sadly is a lot more than can be said about many other alliances).
It's been a great learning experience overall, and I feel that I am now far better off. Freed from ASCN I went roaming and had more fun in one night than I did during most of my time in ASCN. I think many ex-ASCN PvP focused people and corps will enjoy eve more now that they can do their own thing. I cannot speak for the industrials - my industrial character exists to fund my PvP chars; ASCN as an alliance was the exact opposite.
My only regret is that we didn't get a "last stand in RIT" - I really was looking forward to it. Yeah we'd have lost - horribly so, but you guys just took too long and we tired of waiting.
On a final note; it's been fun seeing more TAOSP in local than ASCN, and I'll certainly miss the TAOSP capital camps. You guys are by far some of the most professional and courteous players I've encountered - I look forward to shooting, and this time actually killing you, again.
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BlackSabbath
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.06 06:34:00 -
[195]
molle keep reaching for the " BoB matters" crowd ================================ "i am only here to **** you off" |
WETRAIN
Minmatar ROMANIA Renegades
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Posted - 2007.01.06 07:30:00 -
[196]
Edited by: WETRAIN on 06/01/2007 07:27:25 Yes indeed good Job BoB.
Just for all you poster up, do you think that ASCN or any other Alliance that BoB destroyed was because they ran out of money or because they didnt have people to fight, i`l tell you guys a secret, when you are a leader ( a lone one) lets say you are a alliance leader and you got 3 ppl that you can count on and 10 fc`s in your alliance... thats 14 people running 4k ppl... stress gets in ... leaders "warp out" , the lack of leaders always kills a alliance quick and swift ----------------------------------------- When People are Ready the Master will come. - Original by Anihilus - -----------------------------------------
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Vince Draken
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.06 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: DeadDuck It was a nice offensive and very well executed, unfortunately ASCN didnÆt hold as much as I was expecting, the quality gap between BOB and ASCN leaderships was to big, BUT in my personal opinion you just hit the wrong target, you choose to destroy what could have been your biggest ally, an ally that according with todayÆs events would have been very handy, like it was in the past.
You destroyed ASCN and what have your earn with that, besides fun - and please donÆt say that you could only have fun with ASCN -?
You have destroyed ASCN and with them AXE pulled back, incapable of dealing alone with AAA. You have now AAA as a neighbour. DonÆt know why but I have the feeling that it wasnÆt a good swap ... Even if you put new friendly alliances in the new regions, they will always be weak and will always trust at their landlordÆs strength and not at their own strength, we can take as example the Fountain situation.
Your biggest victory is also your biggest defeat. The "aura" is lost forever, people now know that BOB are not trusty and are capable of twist sides with a single "NAP RESET". Is not easy to keep friends when you use people like you use. You have reached your zenith and in the horizon the first clouds of a big storm are already showing...I will take the words of the Topic Starter and will say:
The higher you are the bigger the fall
Time will tell if you were right and I was wrong. Good luck BOB, I think you will need it.
That about sums up d2, thank you.
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Vince Draken
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.06 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: File ASCN vs BoB has been my first real PvP experience - and certainly a very interesting one.
I have to admit, that by the end of the war I held far more respect for BoB than I did for most of ASCN. Yeah BoB are arrogant, often unpleasant - but they're also fun to kill and they don't log out of bubbles (which sadly is a lot more than can be said about many other alliances).
It's been a great learning experience overall, and I feel that I am now far better off. Freed from ASCN I went roaming and had more fun in one night than I did during most of my time in ASCN. I think many ex-ASCN PvP focused people and corps will enjoy eve more now that they can do their own thing. I cannot speak for the industrials - my industrial character exists to fund my PvP chars; ASCN as an alliance was the exact opposite.
My only regret is that we didn't get a "last stand in RIT" - I really was looking forward to it. Yeah we'd have lost - horribly so, but you guys just took too long and we tired of waiting.
On a final note; it's been fun seeing more TAOSP in local than ASCN, and I'll certainly miss the TAOSP capital camps. You guys are by far some of the most professional and courteous players I've encountered - I look forward to shooting, and this time actually killing you, again.
Very good post indeed.
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.06 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: DeadDuck It was a nice offensive and very well executed, unfortunately ASCN didnÆt hold as much as I was expecting, the quality gap between BOB and ASCN leaderships was to big, BUT in my personal opinion you just hit the wrong target, you choose to destroy what could have been your biggest ally, an ally that according with todayÆs events would have been very handy, like it was in the past.
You destroyed ASCN and what have your earn with that, besides fun - and please donÆt say that you could only have fun with ASCN -?
You have destroyed ASCN and with them AXE pulled back, incapable of dealing alone with AAA. You have now AAA as a neighbour. DonÆt know why but I have the feeling that it wasnÆt a good swap ... Even if you put new friendly alliances in the new regions, they will always be weak and will always trust at their landlordÆs strength and not at their own strength, we can take as example the Fountain situation.
Your biggest victory is also your biggest defeat. The "aura" is lost forever, people now know that BOB are not trusty and are capable of twist sides with a single "NAP RESET". Is not easy to keep friends when you use people like you use. You have reached your zenith and in the horizon the first clouds of a big storm are already showing...I will take the words of the Topic Starter and will say:
The higher you are the bigger the fall
Time will tell if you were right and I was wrong. Good luck BOB, I think you will need it.
Just bookmarking this for further date. -------- The BoB model is bad for business. Incidently the BoB model is more suited for a game such as WoW where as the ASCN model more suited for Eve.
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King Fury
Caldari New Justice Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2007.01.06 11:03:00 -
[200]
So have BoB officially beaten ASCN? What happened to the few corps that were making a last stand?
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Sionn Klorgh
Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.01.06 11:05:00 -
[201]
Quote: BUT in my personal opinion you just hit the wrong target, you choose to destroy what could have been your biggest ally, an ally that according with todayÆs events would have been very handy
and the war is not over for many of us.
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Melkinor T'sbanion
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.01.06 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ma'kai
No alliance in 0.0 has a right to hide behind the "don't attack us, were industrial and you'll look bad" bull****. Just like that badger, if you can't defend yourself out in 0.0, why the heck are you out there in the first place? ASCN knew BoB was coming. The war should of been about superior numbers vs superior tactics. However, because of poor leadership and communication on ASCN's side, they weren't able to put up any real resistance. BoB won the war because they were the better alliance, plan and simple.
Read Moostangs post upthread. QFT. We tried to bring our advantage (numbers) to the fight. Lag (for me) and node crashes prevented us from blobbing Bob. Sure we had a some poor leadership, but for chrissakes, it is a game, not a freakin' job. (Perhaps BoB+Dev tinfoil habidashery are true and it IS their job to play, but I digress ... )
I was excited to fight, but soon got tired of dying due to lag. Then there were many nights sitting at POS hoping we could cajole other alliance members into joining the gang. Sorry I could not be on for hours on end, waiting for a chance at action. I have a life.
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ArcticFox
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.06 12:30:00 -
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Edited by: ArcticFox on 06/01/2007 12:27:34 ASCN destroyed itself, BoB was just a step in that process. Any large PvP alliance with sufficient dedication would have done.
This isn't the fault of everyone in ASCN (I know there were plenty of good people and corps left in there), nor is it the fault of only a few people, but the fact is that well before the BoB attack, it was not the alliance it once had been.
Had ASCN still been even the same alliance that fought G, IRON, and RAZOR in AZN for two months, I beleive you would have gotten your 8-12 month war, and I beleive it would have cost you a fair number of capital ships.
Sadly, the ideals and the shared experience that founded the alliance faded into the background, and ASCN became something else. I beleive the most accurate description I've heard was Xetic 2.0. -------------------------- There is only one +6 sword of WTFPWN in Eve, and only the lag is allowed to equip it. |
Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.06 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: ArcticFox I beleive the most accurate description I've heard was Xetic 2.0.
No, that is not correct. In Xetic the problem was no-one was willing to fight outside of a handful of corps/players.
In ASCN, save for right at the very end, we could always get people willing to fight its just that we were badly outclassed in terms of average pvp skill/experience levels, so that we couldnt find a way to do anything with the numbers to make them count.
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Deidranna
SteelVipers YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.01.06 12:56:00 -
[205]
Originally by: HostageTaker Just wanna say thanks to ASCN, Cyvok and McCreedy.
If it wasn't for the "content" that you provided me with, the StarWars sigs wouldn't be featured in a recent 5 page magazine spread concerning the ASCN - BoB war.
Really enjoyed seeing my sigs in a magazine.
P.S. (3 of the 35+ sigs made throughout the campaign were shown)
any scans or other links?
GM Eldini > Hi, behaving are we?
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Pehova Mindtriq
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.01.06 13:00:00 -
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Did you ever salvaged the titan wreck?
Celes/Toxin vs BOB |
ArcticFox
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.06 13:07:00 -
[207]
Edited by: ArcticFox on 06/01/2007 13:04:33
Originally by: Fitz Chivalry
Originally by: ArcticFox I beleive the most accurate description I've heard was Xetic 2.0.
No, that is not correct. In Xetic the problem was no-one was willing to fight outside of a handful of corps/players.
In ASCN, save for right at the very end, we could always get people willing to fight its just that we were badly outclassed in terms of average pvp skill/experience levels, so that we couldnt find a way to do anything with the numbers to make them count.
I was actually not intending to refer to how ASCN fought. I know it was different from Xetic (hence the 2.0 ), but nonetheless it became (or was rapidly becoming) a bloated industrial alliance, which overextended itself (putting a portion of the capital fleet in Fountain comes to mind, including a number of carriers, which are really the staple for killing enemy dreads these days).
In the G/IRON/RAZOR war we learned a fair few things about stonewalling systems to make the enemy pump as much isk into it as possible before sovreignty even budged, and that was back when sov was daily, by downtime, and small towers counted every bit as much as large in a system with 60 moons. Granted the situation was considerably different by the time the BoB war rolled around, but from the outside it looked like ASCN had decided to neatly forget all of those things. -------------------------- There is only one +6 sword of WTFPWN in Eve, and only the lag is allowed to equip it. |
Lacero Callrisian
Minmatar Solar Storm Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.06 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Fitz Chivalry
Originally by: ArcticFox I beleive the most accurate description I've heard was Xetic 2.0.
No, that is not correct. In Xetic the problem was no-one was willing to fight outside of a handful of corps/players.
In ASCN, save for right at the very end, we could always get people willing to fight its just that we were badly outclassed in terms of average pvp skill/experience levels, so that we couldnt find a way to do anything with the numbers to make them count.
Wouldn't Xetic have had that problem too if people had fought? If so ASCN solved the first problem of Xetic and found the second, Xetic 2.0
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JA RULER
Caldari Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.06 13:54:00 -
[209]
Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq Did you ever salvaged the titan wreck?
Actually i would like to know that also. Was there any Loot from it also?
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Becham
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Posted - 2007.01.06 15:23:00 -
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Edited by: Becham on 06/01/2007 15:19:36 nice
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