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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2015.11.13 07:49:25 -
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TMC: https://www.themittani.com/news/ccp-games-raises-30m-investment-vr-content Press release: https://www.ccpgames.com/news/2015/ccp-games-raises-30-million-to-bolster-virtual-reality-development-efforts/
Press release wrote:12 Nov 2015 GÇô Reykjavik, Iceland GÇô Privately held CCP Games, the leader in virtual reality immersive technology, today announced that it has raised $30 million to bolster the development of virtual reality (VR) content. New Enterprise Associates led the investment, with participation from private equity firm Novator Partners LLP.
The investment will be used to further position the company to drive innovation in VR as the technology begins to transform the entertainment industry.
Harry Weller, General Partner at NEA, has joined CCPGÇÖs Board of Directors and Andrew Schoen, also of NEA, will be joining as Deputy Director.(...)
So CCP convinced their n-¦ 1 investor and new partners to invest in CCP's VR projects, whereas new partners will get 2 seats at CCP's director board.
What this means:
- CCP's future VR projects are interesting to investors - CCP is investing heavily on said VR projects
What this DOES NOT mean:
- CCP's VR projects are not Valkyrie or Gunjack sicne they're already done, but probably something based on the propotype tech shown at Fanfest - EVE is not getting any of that money, it's new money for new projects
The deeper reading:
- Hilmar is very, very, like extremely, interested on virtual worlds. So probably CCP's top brass feel like now they are going to do the real deal, what they as a company always dreamed of. It can be interesting to know where does this path take, since after all CCP and Oculus and Samsung and everybody else are taking a bet on VR as entertainment technology, the same as Microsoft is taking a bet on augmented reality.
- EVE is really going to find a new place in CCP's hearts if Consumer VR 2.0 succeeds and CCP gets right their investment and efforts on it.
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Black Hydra Consortium.
2070
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Posted - 2015.11.13 08:11:17 -
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So is the packaging to be sold theory still alive?
Founder of Violet Squadron, a small gang NPSI community! Mail me for more information.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie's Space Mediation Service!
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Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
437
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Posted - 2015.11.13 08:27:45 -
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This is like watching a train wreck with nuclear material on board. |
Hal Morsh
Hmmzor. Battlecruisin' Space Goats
437
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Posted - 2015.11.13 12:24:01 -
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As long as they get it done before we all have holodecks in our houses.
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Orgah
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.11.13 12:41:06 -
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Kuronaga wrote:This is like watching a train wreck with nuclear material on board. . It would be cool of the train didn't have a hundred thousand dedicated players on board.
CCP's dogged infatuation with VR devices makes me want to facedesk every time I hear about them pouring more money into it. |
Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
704
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Posted - 2015.11.13 12:54:36 -
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Remember what happened to the attention and quality of the game we are currently playing when they dropped millions into tragic vampire romance games?
This won't end well for us, the Eve user.
CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.
40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6935
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Posted - 2015.11.13 13:42:56 -
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EVE is basically dead anyway. Onward new ventures!
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1864
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Posted - 2015.11.13 13:51:40 -
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Yes! It makes sense! After you locked your last game into a dead platform (PS3) you go for the stillborn platform (some proprietary VR ****) next!
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12921
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Posted - 2015.11.13 14:24:53 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:EVE is basically dead anyway. Onward new ventures!
It was always dead for you, it's simply taken you this long to realize it. For those of us who actually like EVE and fit in with the game, it's as alive as ever. My killboard filled with Imperious Bees is evidence. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6935
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Posted - 2015.11.13 15:20:21 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:EVE is basically dead anyway. Onward new ventures! It was always dead for you, it's simply taken you this long to realize it. For those of us who actually like EVE and fit in with the game, it's as alive as ever. My killboard filled with Imperious Bees is evidence. Strike!
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
704
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Posted - 2015.11.13 15:22:12 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:EVE is basically dead anyway. Onward new ventures! It was always dead for you, it's simply taken you this long to realize it. For those of us who actually like EVE and fit in with the game, it's as alive as ever. My killboard filled with Imperious Bees is evidence.
Thank you for speaking for the thousands of players you THINK you represent. From now on, you shall be known as Ambassador Hubris and Optimism.
CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.
40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12921
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Posted - 2015.11.13 15:26:29 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:EVE is basically dead anyway. Onward new ventures! It was always dead for you, it's simply taken you this long to realize it. For those of us who actually like EVE and fit in with the game, it's as alive as ever. My killboard filled with Imperious Bees is evidence. Thank you for speaking for the thousands of players you THINK you represent. From now on, you shall be known as Ambassador Hubris and Optimism.
Birds of a feather you two anti-EVe types are. Amazingly, both Market McSelling Alt and Lucas Kell have declared Elite the better product....but here they still are. |
Seven Koskanaiken
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
1696
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Posted - 2015.11.13 15:28:25 -
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Thanks. I'll add it to the pile of CCP products I'll never use because it's not on PC. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6935
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Posted - 2015.11.13 15:36:48 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Birds of a feather you two anti-EVe types are. Amazingly, both Market McSelling Alt and Lucas Kell have declared Elite the better product....but here they still are. We are honest with our opinions. Meanwhile you continue to flag wave while the ship sinks. Truthfully, the fact that so many forum members are so quick to bite on obvious bait is the main reason I'm still here. When I run out of plex (or die of age related illness which is more likely) I'll disappear. Or you know, when they can EVE because it's an old failing product.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12924
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Posted - 2015.11.13 15:49:42 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Birds of a feather you two anti-EVe types are. Amazingly, both Market McSelling Alt and Lucas Kell have declared Elite the better product....but here they still are. We are honest with our opinions. Meanwhile you continue to flag wave while the ship sinks. Truthfully, the fact that so many forum members are so quick to bite on obvious bait is the main reason I'm still here. When I run out of plex (or die of age related illness which is more likely) I'll disappear. Or you know, when they can EVE because it's an old failing product.
You ever take any time to look at your self? You are a (supposedly) grown man who can find nothing better to do with his time than to troll (see above highlighted words) on the forums of a game you don't like made by a company you can't stand.
I'd rather be the guy flag waving for a sinking ship than be anything like what you've become as a person. |
SKINE DMZ
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
497
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Posted - 2015.11.13 15:55:38 -
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I have to say definitely points for Jenn here, lucas just sounds sad.
I disagree
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Otso Bakarti
Filial Pariahs
459
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Posted - 2015.11.13 15:58:14 -
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Heh. Only thirty mill? Not a lot of money these days. It's a good start.
Giving up board seats for this sum? Ummm...
Paranoia strikes deep....
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6935
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Posted - 2015.11.13 15:58:42 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:You ever take any time to look at your self? You are a (supposedly) grown man who can find nothing better to do with his time than to troll (see above highlighted words) on the forums of a game you don't like made by a company you can't stand.
I'd rather be the guy flag waving for a sinking ship than be anything like what you've become as a person. And I'd rather be the guy that has a casual laugh than the guy who feels the need to psychoanalyse and insult everyone that disagrees with him on the internet. Each to their own I suppose.
At no point have I ever said that I don't like EVE or that I can't stand CCP, that's your inability to see any middleground between love and hate. EVE isn't as good as it has been and CCP have made a lot of mistakes and lost a lot of good staff and a lot of good players. Without players giving honest feedback, they'll have a hard time improving. *shrug*
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12924
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Posted - 2015.11.13 16:16:19 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:You ever take any time to look at your self? You are a (supposedly) grown man who can find nothing better to do with his time than to troll (see above highlighted words) on the forums of a game you don't like made by a company you can't stand.
I'd rather be the guy flag waving for a sinking ship than be anything like what you've become as a person. And I'd rather be the guy that has a casual laugh than the guy who feels the need to psychoanalyse and insult everyone that disagrees with him on the internet. Each to their own I suppose. At no point have I ever said that I don't like EVE or that I can't stand CCP, that's your inability to see any middleground between love and hate. EVE isn't as good as it has been and CCP have made a lot of mistakes and lost a lot of good staff and a lot of good players. Without players giving honest feedback, they'll have a hard time improving. *shrug*
You wouldn't know honesty if it bit you in the exhaust port of your Drake {insert name of some Elite:Dangerous spaceship here}. CCP gets honest feedback, from people who actually like and understand their game and can recognize when they make mistakes. "Honest Feedback" is not possible from people who start from a point of disliking core aspects of EVE and who wish to see it be something completely different from the get go.
You can call it psychoanalyzing if you want, but deep down you know there is something wrong with someone that is this interested in the fortunes of a game they don't totally like.
EVE attracts people you can't stand (CODE and Goons), yet here you still are, it has gameplay you think is shallow and not meeting it's potential, yet here you are. You think poorly of CCP and their stewardship of EVE and have stated so numerous times, yet here you still are. By your own words, You think another existing product (Elite) is more interesting and more fun...
... yet here you are. I've come to the conclusion that somehow you enjoy being disappointing in things. You and Market, I honestly have never once seen a post from you guys that seemed in the least bit joyful about something having to do with EVE. |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12924
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Posted - 2015.11.13 16:20:27 -
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Otso Bakarti wrote:Heh. Only thirty mill? Not a lot of money these days. It's a good start. Giving up board seats for this sum? Ummm...
That could be one of the very best things to happen to CCP. Accountability to something more than the old stakeholders could be the kick in the pants CCP needs.
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Nick Bete
The Scope Gallente Federation
370
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Posted - 2015.11.13 16:22:50 -
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Jenn is one of the worst bittervet trolls, status quo fanbois on these forums. Best to just block his ignorant ramblings as I've done than to waste your time trying to engage in a rational conversation. |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12924
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Posted - 2015.11.13 16:30:20 -
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Nick Bete wrote: bittervet trolls, status quo fanbois
So actually liking the video game entertainment software I'm paying for is bad? Man, am I out of touch with this current angsty generation.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
705
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Posted - 2015.11.13 16:30:55 -
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Nick Bete wrote:Jenn is one of the worst bittervet trolls, status quo fanbois on these forums. Best to just block his ignorant ramblings as I've done than to waste your time trying to engage in a rational conversation.
Jenn is pretty simple really. The entire premise of his arguments here is that Eve is perfectly fine and the best game ever as long as we are hurr hurring Code, Ganking, High-sec nerfs and tears.
The second something happens that gives anyone joy in this game and doesn't involve the direct extraction of tears, Jenn thinks the entire game needs to be changed to suit his needs and desires.
The Irony is, that while Jenn has called for sweeping changes to this game, and expressed great displeasure at all things High-Sec, he claims to love the game and tells people who want changes to leave.
It is actually quite comical because of the round-robin style of logic and the constant ad-hominem retorts.
CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.
40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6937
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Posted - 2015.11.13 16:36:49 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:You wouldn't know honesty if it bit you in the exhaust port of your Drake {insert name of some Elite:Dangerous spaceship here}. Calm down son.
Jenn aSide wrote:CCP gets honest feedback, from people who actually like and understand their game and can recognize when they make mistakes. "Honest Feedback" is not possible from people who start from a point of disliking core aspects of EVE and who wish to see it be something completely different from the get go. Honest feedback comes in a lot of forms. I love how because I don't like what you like though, I automatically disliked "core aspects of EVE". See the thing is, we just have different opinions on what the core of EVE is. I don't like that there's ridiculously easy gameplay that gets excused because the person benefitting has to shoot a handful of noobs to do it, thus making it PvP and therefore exempt from balance discussions.
Jenn aSide wrote:You can call it psychoanalyzing if you want, but deep down you know there is something wrong with someone that is this interested in the fortunes of a game they don't totally like. No, I don't. deep down I know that I play games for entertainment and different games entertain me in different amounts at different times and therefore get different amounts of my attention. There was a time when EVE dominated my attention and that time has passed as they've neglected gameplay elements to cater to an ever more toxic community.
Jenn aSide wrote:By your own words, You think another existing product (Elite) is more interesting and more fun...
... yet here you are. Again demonstrating your inability to see anything between two extremes. I like another game more, therefore I should never play EVE at all, that's your opinion. Right now I like Fallout 4 more than any other game so that get's the vast majority of my attention. When I've destroyed that I'll undoubtedly go back to Uncharted, Elite and little EVE on the side. See, unlike you I have more than one interest. Your interest is only in EVE and moreover only in your playstyle of EVE, and that's why you're biased. Quite why you feel the need to launch into personal attacks with almost every post I'm not sure.
Jenn aSide wrote:You and Market, I honestly have never once seen a post from you guys that seemed in the least bit joyful about something having to do with EVE. That doesn't surprise me, since you seem to pay more attention to the other types of post, so just like the moonwalking bear, they go unnoticed. That doesn't mean they aren't there though, just means you aren't paying enough attention.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12924
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Posted - 2015.11.13 16:39:59 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote: tells people who want changes to leave.
I've never told anyone to leave. I question their sanity at staying with something they don't like (and crapping up the forums with all their suggested 'changes' that are, at best, misguided attempts to attack people they don't like rather than jsut standing up to them in the game), but how they spend their time is up to them. And pointing out that combat pve income (an income I've explotied for years) is out of whack (and not just in high sec, FW is worse) isn't asking for change, it's pointing out a flaw, CCP is the group that changes things, I'm not CCP.
Tell me this (asking honestly) if you (like Lucas) have so many problems with so many things having to do with EVE, why do you stay (again, this is not asking you to leave, it wa syou who said you were waiting for your sub to expire so you could be done with the game)? Is my theory correct, do you actually enjoy disappointment?
And before you tell me it's not my business again, I'll remind you, it was you who posted about you're leaving, I didn't make you do that, so you opened the door. |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12927
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Posted - 2015.11.13 16:51:48 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Calm down son.
I am not your son, I am undoubtedly older than you, so you calm done, child.
Quote: I don't like that there's ridiculously easy gameplay that gets excused because the person benefitting has to shoot a handful of noobs to do it, thus making it PvP and therefore exempt from balance discussions.
Nothing is exempt, but this is your "white night" personality type over-reacting to the idea that someone is being abused. They aren't, they chose to play EVE and are old enough to make that choice.
The thing to do is not feel sorry for the noob, it's to teach the noob to survive and eventually strike back. You and people like you (in game and in real life) always think you are helping by feeling sorry for people, you aren't. Especially in a video game.
Quote: No, I don't. deep down I know that I play games for entertainment and different games entertain me in different amounts at different times and therefore get different amounts of my attention. There was a time when EVE dominated my attention and that time has passed as they've neglected gameplay elements to cater to an ever more toxic community.
This is probably the big thing here. CCP has made mistakes, but EVE is still good. It was YOU who changed, you got older, probably your tastes changed, yet you blamed it on EVE. A lot of people do that. It's no different than in real life when people (as they age) increasingly think the world is going to crap, when in actuality nothing much really changed...except for the fact that they got older.
Quote:Again demonstrating your inability to see anything between two extremes. I like another game more, therefore I should never play EVE at all, that's your opinion. Right now I like Fallout 4 more than any other game so that get's the vast majority of my attention. When I've destroyed that I'll undoubtedly go back to Uncharted, Elite and little EVE on the side. See, unlike you I have more than one interest. Your interest is only in EVE and moreover only in your playstyle of EVE, and that's why you're biased. Quite why you feel the need to launch into personal attacks with almost every post I'm not sure.
Child, i haven't attacked you. That you feel attacked demonstrates that somewhere in that brain you know I'm doing nothing but telling you the truth.
I'm interested in more than EVE, that's not the issue. the real issue if your inability to appreciate the idea that a problem might not be some external thing (the state of EVE), but rather an internal thing (an incompatible worldview, prejudice against people you consider 'toxic' etc).
EVE is not dying. it is not a sinking ship. And no, it's not supposed to change because you don't fit with it, YOU are supposed to change to fit it OR choose to do something you actually enjoy. Most of the rest of the MMO world is WoW clone crap, can we have at least one good game without the Kells and Alts of the world lobbying for it's destruction?
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6937
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Posted - 2015.11.13 17:24:03 -
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If I were any calmer I'd be in a coma. Seriously though, you should chill out before you give yourself a heart attack or something.
Jenn aSide wrote:Nothing is exempt, but this is your "white night" personality type over-reacting to the idea that someone is being abused. They aren't, they chose to play EVE and are old enough to make that choice.
The thing to do is not feel sorry for the noob, it's to teach the noob to survive and eventually strike back. You and people like you (in game and in real life) always think you are helping by feeling sorry for people, you aren't. Especially in a video game. Of course it is. Anything you don't think should be changed is exempt to you, which is why when anyone tries to discuss it you come running in insulting them. I don't have a "white knight" personality, I just think the game should be fun and rewarding for all players, which it isn't, and that's a core part of the problem that destroys new player retention. New players join, get roflstomped with ease by veterans, then we're supposed to be surprised that they don't stick around?
Jenn aSide wrote:This is probably the big thing here. CCP has made mistakes, but EVE is still good. ... in your opinion. In mine, it's "OK".
Jenn aSide wrote:It was YOU who changed, you got older, probably your tastes changed, yet you blamed it on EVE. I'm sure part of it is that, if anything I'm less of a PvE crazy carebear than I was though. But now I see how insanely easy it is to gank randoms and think "where's the challenge here?". It certainly doesn't mean that it's only me that has changed.
Jenn aSide wrote:Child, i haven't attacked you. That you feel attacked demonstrates that somewhere in that brain you know I'm doing nothing but telling you the truth. You attack everyone that disagrees with you. It's one of the certainties of life, that if I see posts with your name responding to something you disagree with, it will be riddled with insults and attacks on their character.
Jenn aSide wrote:I'm interested in more than EVE, that's not the issue. the real issue if your inability to appreciate the idea that a problem might not be some external thing (the state of EVE), but rather an internal thing (an incompatible worldview, prejudice against people you consider 'toxic' etc).
EVE is not dying. it is not a sinking ship. And no, it's not supposed to change because you don't fit with it, YOU are supposed to change to fit it OR choose to do something you actually enjoy. Most of the rest of the MMO world is WoW clone crap, can we have at least one good game without the Kells and Alts of the world lobbying for it's destruction? You're not though, you've made it clear to me before that your game of choice is EVE, and that's why you feel your opinion is more valid. You can't see past your bias to appreciate why other people like or dislike EVE or it's competitors.
It kinda looks like a sinking ship. Decent developers being laid off, smaller developments being made more frequent to mask the fact that large developments are taking significantly longer, drastically reducing playerbase, microtransactions to make up for lost sub revenue. Even this thread itself is around signs that CCP are pushing more into VR, and EVE isn't part of that.
And mate, I've been here since 2005 and spent a significant amount of my life playing EVE and attending EVE events. It's a bit rich you telling me what I'm allowed to choose to play because I don't particularly like where EVE is heading and disagree with you that it's all sunshine and rainbows.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1866
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Posted - 2015.11.13 17:39:52 -
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In Eve, blocking Lucas Kell is something you do right after you configured your overview
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12934
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Posted - 2015.11.13 17:41:51 -
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Quote: I don't have a "white knight" personality, I just think the game should be fun and rewarding for all players, which it isn't, and that's a core part of the problem that destroys new player retention. New players join, get roflstomped with ease by veterans, then we're supposed to be surprised that they don't stick around?
Who said anyting about being surprised. What you descibe is EVE working as intended. If a person is so weak minded that they can't get past what you descibe, quitting is actually the mature option. You would create a world where weakness is celebrated. If you were a movie director, not only would Han hav ento shot first, he wouldn't even have enetered the Cantina because he was too busy that day building huts for Habitat for Tatooiners or somehting.
Quote:... in your opinion. In mine, it's "OK".
So you wates your time with something that is just OK. Your time to waste.
Look at the rest of your reply and your previous replies. "its too easy to gank", "Toxic community", "noobs being pushed out" ect. This is what I mean by incompatible world view. You focus on external things, on what other people are doing, on some weird idea that somehow things are unfair for someone. That's your problem. I see the people you call 'toxic' as at best Content, and at worst a mild distraction. I see noobs as people who need to prove themselves (to themselves) or take the smart route and play something they actually like.
Your percpetions color your opinion, and frankly I think that what you think its way more irritating and just plain wrong than any number of Goons, CODE, Gankers, Scammers and isboxers.
I never said EVE was all sunshine, I've been critical of CCP when they deserved it. But you, Lucas Kell, come off in your posts as a neurotic hater just looking for something else to hate when you could be filling your life with things you actually enjoy. Why one would waist the only thing any of us actually have (time on this earth) doing what you do is unfathomable to me, but to each his own I guess. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6937
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Posted - 2015.11.13 17:57:46 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:In Eve, blocking Lucas Kell is something you do right after you configured your overview See! Even less of a challenge. Default overview is the hardcore way to play.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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