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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2349
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Posted - 2015.11.18 21:20:44 -
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Arrendis wrote: How often did the Empress put herself on the front lines in the 'warzone'?
Once was enough.
Yonis Ardishapur for Emperor
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1625
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Posted - 2015.11.18 21:22:42 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Arrendis wrote: How often did the Empress put herself on the front lines in the 'warzone'? Once was enough.
She wasn't Empress when she opposed the Elder Fleet, and she wasn't on the front lines in the lowsec warzone when the Drifters destroyed TES Seraph. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2227
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Posted - 2015.11.19 03:47:04 -
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Vikarion wrote: How interesting. I certainly would like to know who these unnamed Caldari loyalists whom you work with are. Last I checked, you have denounced everyone from I-RED, to Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd., to PYRE, to independent loyalist pilots. But this is, of course, of little interest, because I don't mind you having friends, seeing as none of them appear to be as...on uneasy ground with relation to reality...as yourself.
Oh, maybe because I-RED was making allies with Federal militia and fighting against Caldari loyalists? Maybe because Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. is run by a dishonored lying scammer? And maybe because Pyre... Ergh, well. Who now doesn't know about Pyre?
You are funny. Truly you show your lack of understanding of loyalty and Caldari people, collecting all the scum and trying to put them under Caldari label. Well, maybe you will feel better yourself with other scum, but I will prefer to stay with loyal Caldari.
Have you heard about the Bloc, about Hecon, about Templis?.. You can keep barking with spitting around yourself, but you will never understand the State and Caldari people, until you will learn to shut up, listen and look around.
Vikarion wrote: I must admit, I had no idea that living in Origin was "forsaking my State citizenship". Certainly, there's no rule or law in the State that requires on not to live in a wormhole. Perhaps this is only the rule of Diana Kim, and functions as the announcement of her ambition to be the next State Executor? Perhaps.
Because you are working not on the State, not for the State aligned corporation and not even on corporation allied to ally of the State... You are working on an outworld semi-criminal organization ran by a couple of demented minmatar. Probably indeed a best place for you to keep such rotten elements outside of State borders. Good luck, or whatever.
Vikarion wrote: But I won't accuse you of treason, because you were just wrong. As you are still wrong. As you will probably, in your stubborness and blindness to reason, continue to be wrong.
An outworld dismerited scum yelping at Caldari officer that she is wrong? How cute.
Vikarion wrote: This is the probably the last time I will address your claims to this matter seriously, as an equal. Do it again, and I will engage you on your level of conversation, rather than my own.
Oh, and now this low life creature considers a Caldari Officer an equal... You are disgusting and repugnant trash of society. I don't consider you equal and I wipe soles of my jackboots on your kind.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1454
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Posted - 2015.11.19 10:40:17 -
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I do not think that the Empress or any empire leader in New Eden has actually the time to devote to what their commanders are paid to do...
We are not speaking about capsuleer warbands in nullsec... |
Utari Onzo
Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance
813
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Posted - 2015.11.19 11:04:24 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:I do not think that the Empress or any empire leader in New Eden has actually the time to devote to what their commanders are paid to do...
We are not speaking about capsuleer warbands in nullsec... Couldn't have put it better myself.
"Face the enemy as a solid wall
For faith is your armor
And through it, the enemy will find no breach
Wrap your arms around the enemy
For faith is your fire
And with it, burn away his evil"
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Cain Aloga
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc The 11th Hour Alliance
152
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Posted - 2015.11.19 14:51:19 -
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How many of the empires leaders have actual combat experiance? The Sanmatar is one, and I'm not sure of the Gallantean President.
While our warriors fight for our people's freedom, we in turn should fight for our people's prosperity.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2229
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Posted - 2015.11.19 15:23:42 -
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Tibus Heth was participating himself in ground combat on Caldari Prime when he was de-facto leader of the whole state. He was fighting among regular soldier just like one of regular soldiers.
And even if he has fallen two years ago, his spirit will live with us forever. He was and still our "empire" leader, as we don't have a leader after him.
Besides that he was participating in combat operations before he became Executor. He was the real Hero and Patriot.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1634
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Posted - 2015.11.19 15:47:33 -
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Utari Onzo wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:I do not think that the Empress or any empire leader in New Eden has actually the time to devote to what their commanders are paid to do...
We are not speaking about capsuleer warbands in nullsec... Couldn't have put it better myself. Infact I did a cursary search on Goonswarm's own CEO, and found his combat record rather barren. That's not to say he's not busy, just like any leader, he allows his Commanders to do the fighting while he does the organising.
And you'll have found that in both our educational campaigns in the last three months, he participated, as has almost all of our Directorate (thus my statement about the Big 8 - it wasn't all about Mittens, you see).
But no, I quite agree, we're not talking about the capsuleer nations in the regions the 'empires' can't control. We're talking about the futile, wasteful, utterly meaningless loss of life in CONCORD-sanctioned 'warzones' that are nothing of the sort. You're not prosecuting a war, Utari... you're gladiators in an arena. You're not there to actually hold that space - neither side's leadership gives a damn about that space. You're there to die for their amusement. |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2349
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Posted - 2015.11.19 15:57:39 -
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Arrendis wrote:Utari Onzo wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:I do not think that the Empress or any empire leader in New Eden has actually the time to devote to what their commanders are paid to do...
We are not speaking about capsuleer warbands in nullsec... Couldn't have put it better myself. Infact I did a cursary search on Goonswarm's own CEO, and found his combat record rather barren. That's not to say he's not busy, just like any leader, he allows his Commanders to do the fighting while he does the organising. And you'll have found that in both our educational campaigns in the last three months, he participated, as has almost all of our Directorate (thus my statement about the Big 8 - it wasn't all about Mittens, you see). But no, I quite agree, we're not talking about the capsuleer nations in the regions the 'empires' can't control. We're talking about the futile, wasteful, utterly meaningless loss of life in CONCORD-sanctioned 'warzones' that are nothing of the sort. You're not prosecuting a war, Utari... you're gladiators in an arena. You're not there to actually hold that space - neither side's leadership gives a damn about that space. You're there to die for their amusement.
Because of course, the Goons would never kill for amusement.
*cough* Burn Jita *cough*
But what does all of this have to do with the Succession Trials anyway?
Yonis Ardishapur for Emperor
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1634
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Posted - 2015.11.19 16:19:46 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Arrendis wrote:You're not prosecuting a war, Utari... you're gladiators in an arena. You're not there to actually hold that space - neither side's leadership gives a damn about that space. You're there to die for their amusement. Because of course, the Goons would never kill for amusement. *cough* Burn Jita *cough* But what does all of this have to do with the Succession Trials anyway?
Because, of course, no-one in High-sec would engage in such activities.
*cough*CODE*cough*PIRAT*cough*countless individual gankers in every Empire*cough*
Now, if we're through with the silliness? If you'll look, milord Blake, you'll see that the crux of my argument was the broad categorization of capsuleers in nullsec as all placing no value on human life, and that my point was, in fact, that we have the same percentages of sociopathic bastards as everywhere else - which also means the same percentage of 'not the sociopathic bastards'.
I will say, though, that there is a difference between sociopathic bastards who kill for their own amusement, and pilots who tell themselves they're pursuing a noble endeavour, but are actually simply fighting, killing, and dying for the entertainment of their lords and masters. The latter group is a decidedly better breed of human being - sacrificing for a cause they believe is just.
The former, though, is clearly more willing to be honest with themselves.
As for what all of this has to do with the Succession Trials... welcome to the nature of human discourse? Topics drift. People address the things one another say. Life doesn't fit into neatly segmented little boxes. |
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Armatas Dahma
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2015.11.19 19:49:30 -
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As a native citizen of the Kor-Azor region, I cannot be displeased with the preliminary results of these Succession Trials, and look to God with credence in His plan for our Holy Empire. My sincere respects to the champions of His Highness and Her Grace for their just service. Inspirational.
Yet, it is eerie to watch the exemplars of our people face their quietus, an end of a life sacrificed for but a pale chance to serve God in stewardship of His mortal children. Truly, the faith of the Heirs lifts and emboldens our spirits in these times of trouble. May we together strive to emulate such devotion in the coming days.
This pod pilot operates independently and in accordance with Holy Imperial law. Public comments made above do not reflect the attitudes or beliefs of the Dahma family, Comedahm Apparatus, or Euxif HM.
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1458
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Posted - 2015.11.20 19:14:37 -
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Arrendis wrote:Utari Onzo wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:I do not think that the Empress or any empire leader in New Eden has actually the time to devote to what their commanders are paid to do...
We are not speaking about capsuleer warbands in nullsec... Couldn't have put it better myself. Infact I did a cursary search on Goonswarm's own CEO, and found his combat record rather barren. That's not to say he's not busy, just like any leader, he allows his Commanders to do the fighting while he does the organising. And you'll have found that in both our educational campaigns in the last three months, he participated, as has almost all of our Directorate (thus my statement about the Big 8 - it wasn't all about Mittens, you see). But no, I quite agree, we're not talking about the capsuleer nations in the regions the 'empires' can't control. We're talking about the futile, wasteful, utterly meaningless loss of life in CONCORD-sanctioned 'warzones' that are nothing of the sort. You're not prosecuting a war, Utari... you're gladiators in an arena. You're not there to actually hold that space - neither side's leadership gives a damn about that space. You're there to die for their amusement.
What are nullsec warbands actually, mind you, if not gladiators paying CONCORD to hold partial sovereignty over a few chunks of resources available to capsuleers? |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1637
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Posted - 2015.11.20 19:44:30 -
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To call us gladiators, Ms. Farel, implies that there is a greater power at whose behest we fight. |
Cain Aloga
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc The 11th Hour Alliance
153
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Posted - 2015.11.20 19:52:16 -
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Arrendis wrote:To call us gladiators, Ms. Farel, implies that there is a greater power at whose behest we fight.
While you may not fight at the behest of some higher power, one could argue that the Null Sec powers serve the empires and benifits them indirectly. Could you imagine if all the residents of Null sec decided to live in empire space and become a political block of their own?
While our warriors fight for our people's freedom, we in turn should fight for our people's prosperity.
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1458
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Posted - 2015.11.20 19:54:42 -
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Arrendis wrote:To call us gladiators, Ms. Farel, implies that there is a greater power at whose behest we fight.
Yes.
CONCORD and the Empire signatories. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1638
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Posted - 2015.11.20 20:37:55 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Arrendis wrote:To call us gladiators, Ms. Farel, implies that there is a greater power at whose behest we fight. Yes. CONCORD and the Empire signatories.
Nonsense. The Empires certainly don't direct our conflicts, and CONCORD abhors the sheer level of organization and capability we already possess. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1638
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Posted - 2015.11.20 20:39:10 -
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Cain Aloga wrote:Arrendis wrote:To call us gladiators, Ms. Farel, implies that there is a greater power at whose behest we fight. While you may not fight at the behest of some higher power, one could argue that the Null Sec powers serve the empires and benifits them indirectly. Could you imagine if all the residents of Null sec decided to live in empire space and become a political block of their own?
Yes, I can. We would have far less capacity for self-determination, as well as far less military capability. For one thing, we wouldn't have a few hundred titans of our own. |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1222
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Posted - 2015.11.20 20:46:27 -
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Nobody cares about Goonswarm. |
Alizabeth Vea
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
635
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Posted - 2015.11.20 21:37:02 -
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I can safely say that GSF made me the combat pilot I am today.
Forged in the fires of the forth Delve war, I've been to hell, and I'm back for more, so cap the gas and push back the door, turn fuel to fire, let the monster roar.
Retainer of House Sarum
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1638
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Posted - 2015.11.20 23:15:46 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:I can safely say that GSF made me the combat pilot I am today.
And it was always a pleasure flying with you as my anchor. Don't let these guys **** on your past achievements too much. |
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1462
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Posted - 2015.11.20 23:40:22 -
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Arrendis wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:Arrendis wrote:To call us gladiators, Ms. Farel, implies that there is a greater power at whose behest we fight. Yes. CONCORD and the Empire signatories. Nonsense. The Empires certainly don't direct our conflicts, and CONCORD abhors the sheer level of organization and capability we already possess.
Every single one of your conflicts plays directly into their hand. Like for every capsuleer business, nullsec is no exception, and is even magnified tenfold. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1638
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Posted - 2015.11.21 00:49:28 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Every single one of your conflicts plays directly into their hand. Like for every capsuleer business, nullsec is no exception, and is even magnified tenfold.
And your supporting evidence for this assertion is...? |
Deitra Vess
Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute
767
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Posted - 2015.11.21 01:01:37 -
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It keeps a large number of us from slaughtering them...
my proof being to look at the vast majority of capsuleers, if they weren't shooting each other, who's left to shoot at? |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1638
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Posted - 2015.11.21 02:49:52 -
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Quite likely, we'd be shooting one another in Empire space.
Even so, that's hardly playing directly into their hands. It is, at best, an indirect benefit... that could be made completely unnecessary by simply restricting access to clone and pod technology. |
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1467
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Posted - 2015.11.21 15:37:28 -
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Arrendis wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:Every single one of your conflicts plays directly into their hand. Like for every capsuleer business, nullsec is no exception, and is even magnified tenfold. And your supporting evidence for this assertion is...?
Every tax, every control you relinquish to them (every capsuleer), the cleaning of pirate elements in lawless regions, the sovereignty costs, the economic prospects and war casualties and ensuing material requirements that will eventually get back to the empire fold, stargate control and invulnerability, the fact that you still obey to what they let you interact with and nothing else, that you still have to pay for your license like everyone else, that they can shut you down any time they want, rules regulating infrastructure deployment...
I can continue... I thought all of this was more or less obvious... |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1639
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Posted - 2015.11.21 19:44:43 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Arrendis wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:Every single one of your conflicts plays directly into their hand. Like for every capsuleer business, nullsec is no exception, and is even magnified tenfold. And your supporting evidence for this assertion is...? Every tax, every control you relinquish to them (every capsuleer), the cleaning of pirate elements in lawless regions, the sovereignty costs, the economic prospects and war casualties and ensuing material requirements that will eventually get back to the empire fold, stargate control and invulnerability, the fact that you still obey to what they let you interact with and nothing else, that you still have to pay for your license like everyone else, that they can shut you down any time they want, rules regulating infrastructure deployment... I can continue... I thought all of this was more or less obvious...
As I said: those are indirect. I'm still waiting to hear how we directly play into their hands. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1105
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Posted - 2015.11.22 09:08:39 -
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As a Righteous believer in one of the True Faiths, I have this to say about the Trials:
God Wills It.
That is All.
Well, also some Polite Applause.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1469
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Posted - 2015.11.22 09:59:56 -
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Arrendis wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:Arrendis wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:Every single one of your conflicts plays directly into their hand. Like for every capsuleer business, nullsec is no exception, and is even magnified tenfold. And your supporting evidence for this assertion is...? Every tax, every control you relinquish to them (every capsuleer), the cleaning of pirate elements in lawless regions, the sovereignty costs, the economic prospects and war casualties and ensuing material requirements that will eventually get back to the empire fold, stargate control and invulnerability, the fact that you still obey to what they let you interact with and nothing else, that you still have to pay for your license like everyone else, that they can shut you down any time they want, rules regulating infrastructure deployment... I can continue... I thought all of this was more or less obvious... As I said: those are indirect. I'm still waiting to hear how we directly play into their hands.
I find them pretty direct myself...
You really seem to show a willingness to play on words for a lack of better arguments, if I may say so. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1639
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Posted - 2015.11.22 13:56:23 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:I find them pretty direct myself...
You really seem to show a willingness to play on words for a lack of better arguments, if I may say so.
Not really. I'm not saying our activities aren't indirectly benefiting CONCORD and the Great Empires, or that CONCORD isn't still able to limit where our supercapital fleets go. But you've said every one of our conflicts directly plays into the Empires' and CONCORD's hands, and I'm still not seeing it. Other than as what can only be a drop-in-the-economic bucket, I don't see how a few billion ISK is directly playing into their hands - especially since it's not like CONCORD gets paid every time a system changes hands.
I don't see the direct benefit to the Empires that was derived Darkness' reconquista of Querious earlier this year, or of their loss of Delve two months before that. That's what I'm saying: that while sure, there are all sorts of indirect benefits, if you're going to claim "Every single one of [our] conflicts plays directly into their hand" then you have to show how each of these conflicts directly advances their agenda.
Because otherwise, if we're only talking about indirect economic benefits from Sov bills, or the destruction of a few thousand pirate ships every month, or that starbases require a moon's gravity well (which is a technical limitation, not a CONCORD ordinance), then I'm really not seeing how your statement lines up with the reality of capsuleers in null who have the economic power to move directly and noticeably manipulate commodity prices cluster-wide, or the military power to inflict trillions of ISK in losses in a few short days in high-sec while rendering CONCORD completely impotent in any attempts to stop them. |
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1470
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Posted - 2015.11.22 17:09:58 -
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I already showed that, but it seems that no matter what I say, you will deny it, or not see it the same way.
I do not mind. Small truths I guess. |
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