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Calanthas
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Posted - 2015.11.16 19:31:54 -
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The changes to Capitals and the Citadels are a little bizarre. AOE and a giant beam that sweeps the area causing damage, looks too much like what you would find in a theme park MMO. What's next, a Fedo Unicorn that we can ride in station?
I'm curious how CCP comes up with these ideas, and who makes the final decision regarding what to use or not use.
Of course i'm not in any position to be directly affected, just curious who is it that decides what to work on I guess. Does CSM have a say in the matter? |
Tanthos
Minmatar Death Squad
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Posted - 2015.11.16 19:38:30 -
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Should have known better than to click expecting an actual question, rather than another stupid rant.
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Tank Murdock Jnr
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Posted - 2015.11.16 19:42:14 -
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Lock, I am in before.
When a person is insane, as you clearly are, do you know that you're insane? Maybe you're just sitting around, reading 'Guns and Ammo', masturbating in your own faeces...do you just stop and go, 'Wow! It is amazing how f*cking crazy I really am!'?
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Calanthas
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Posted - 2015.11.16 19:45:43 -
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It's actually a valid question. I pay for the subscription to play this game. Then CCP makes changes that suggests giving EVE the same appearance of a different game. |
Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
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Posted - 2015.11.16 19:47:23 -
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Calanthas wrote:... a Fedo Unicorn that we can ride in station? ... Even that, if it meant I would be able to ride it in station.
Oh, I beg your pardon, this wasn't a stealth WIS thread?
Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format.
Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
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Calanthas
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Posted - 2015.11.16 19:49:44 -
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Esrevid Nekkeg wrote:Oh, I beg your pardon, this wasn't a stealth WIS thread?
Stealth sarcasm directed at WIS. |
Mike Azariah
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.16 20:49:07 -
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Calanthas wrote:
I'm curious how CCP comes up with these ideas, and who makes the final decision regarding what to use or not use.
Of course i'm not in any position to be directly affected, just curious who is it that decides what to work on I guess. Does CSM have a say in the matter?
How they come up with ideas? They have these people that call Developers. Teams of them, as a matter of fact.
Does CSM have a say? Yes and no. We see some things before you do an give our reactions to them, some positively and some negatively. Whether they choose to listen is up to CCP. Me? I like the AOE weapons and the 'backhand of God'.
Not in favour of the ridable Fedo, though. Have you SEEN those things?
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Calanthas
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Posted - 2015.11.16 20:59:35 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:
How they come up with ideas? They have these people that call Developers. Teams of them, as a matter of fact.
I'm thinking the Devs are between the Game designer and CSM/Forums? I don't fly Capitals, no need to, can't imagine anybody having a reason for an AOE, or "lightsaber". So very curious right now where/how these people get their ideas.
Mike Azariah wrote:Not in favour of the ridable Fedo, though. Have you SEEN those things?
I DON'T want to see people riding Fedos out in space with oxygen packs strapped to their backs..... |
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.11.16 21:08:01 -
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I was expecting discussion as well. Skillshot AOE is fastinating. Makes doomsday a doomsday weapon of fear. Loss of DD aoe was sad, but needed.
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Mike Azariah
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.16 21:48:05 -
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Markus Reese wrote:I was expecting discussion as well. Skillshot AOE is fastinating. Makes doomsday a doomsday weapon of fear. Loss of DD aoe was sad, but needed.
Exactly. This is not F1 and watch everything die. Use the Pike or the Scythe incorrectly and you will have a lot of your own fleet mad at you (well, the survivors, anyways)
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Omnarius Ziltoid
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.16 21:56:07 -
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Trying to piece together the logic of a laser beam slicing being a themepark feature. Gave me a headache. |
Calanthas
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Posted - 2015.11.16 22:01:37 -
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Omnarius Ziltoid wrote:Trying to piece together the logic of a laser beam slicing being a theme-park feature. Gave me a headache.
AOE and a beam slicing - at same time. Why? What was the problem to solve, or what is desired result? Resembles a theme-park because of all the options you find in a theme-park to keep your attention instead of watching you wander away to a different theme-park. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2015.11.16 22:15:15 -
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Calanthas wrote:Omnarius Ziltoid wrote:Trying to piece together the logic of a laser beam slicing being a theme-park feature. Gave me a headache. AOE and a beam slicing - at same time. Why? What was the problem to solve, or what is desired result? Resembles a theme-park because of all the options you find in a theme-park to keep your attention instead of watching you wander away to a different theme-park. More interesting gameplay for titans?
A role for titans other than just bridging?
A way to nerf titans EHP and damage, but increase their utility?
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.11.16 22:34:43 -
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* wants a Fedo unicorn to ride in station |
Cidanel Afuran
Static-Noise Upholders
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Posted - 2015.11.16 22:39:41 -
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Calanthas wrote:AOE and a beam slicing - at same time. Why? What was the problem to solve, or what is desired result? Resembles a theme-park because of all the options you find in a theme-park to keep your attention instead of watching you wander away to a different theme-park.
I'm not 100% sure you know what a themepark MMO is.... |
Calanthas
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Posted - 2015.11.16 23:31:43 -
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Cidanel Afuran wrote:I'm not 100% sure you know what a themepark MMO is....
Grouping ideas together (along with carrier changes, and citadels) suggests a new ride rather than more options/tools (a decent sized "group" of ideas rather than options/tools) - theme-park mmo versus sandbox. It looks really weird. I guess it makes sense though with all the new ships, and players asking for more. |
Cidanel Afuran
Static-Noise Upholders
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Posted - 2015.11.16 23:40:28 -
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Calanthas wrote:Grouping ideas together (along with carrier changes, and citadels) suggests a new ride rather than more options/tools (a decent sized "group" of ideas rather than options/tools) - theme-park mmo versus sandbox. It looks really weird. I guess it makes sense though with all the new ships, and players asking for more.
OK, so you don't know what a themepark game is then. Themepark games force you to follow specific paths. They don't give you the option to deviate from whatever path the developers intended. Giving the option of a new DD for titans in no way forces you to do anything with it in game.
If EVE were a themepark game, I would be forced to use AOE DD's to be successful in the game, as the developers would be forcing me down that path. Given my current training plan will keep me from even flying ANY capital ship for a solid few years (at minimum), this is not a themepark.
The devs are literally just giving more tools to us in game. No one is forced to use them by any means. |
Calanthas
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Posted - 2015.11.16 23:50:30 -
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Cidanel Afuran wrote:The devs are literally just giving more tools to us in game. No one is forced to use them by any means.
Yes. Giving and forcing are different. Im curious who has a say what the devs decide to "give us". Sandbox and theme-park are different - but when devs decide to lump a bunch of new features, I decided to ask about them - because in my opinion, it is starting to look like a theme-park mmo. Sort of a "thank God CCP doesn't do what those other people are doing....but then, why are they making the decisions they are......"
So once again, who has a say in the matter, the CSM - because FYI that is basically what I am trying to ask. |
Calanthas
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Posted - 2015.11.17 00:27:26 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwqIGV53BrQ So @ 7:48 is the reason WHY I am asking. Used to watch that video every day - that was before EVE was nerfed/buffed to what it is today........ the game is still awesome, just asking. That video was a lot better, and more clear, before the video was nerfed due to copyrights. Eve being what it is, almost tempted to find out how much it would take to return the video to what it was with the audio it had.
But yea, the new stuff coming out, and the way they're doing it, makes me wonder who has a say in the matter besides the DEVs drawing from a hat. |
Calanthas
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Posted - 2015.11.17 01:50:53 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:
How they come up with ideas? They have these people that call Developers. Teams of them, as a matter of fact.
Apparently on the forums there's this thing called the Council of Stellar Management with lots of people having discussions sort of like mine. I think I will check that out a little more thoroughly from now on, instead of waiting for signs of intelligent life in GD. |
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Matrea D
Maggie's Magical Miners Maggie's Magical Malliance
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Posted - 2015.11.17 13:36:58 -
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Calanthas wrote: I...can't imagine anybody having a reason for...
Your problem. The limits of your imagination and/or ability to reason is thankfully not a factor. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2015.11.17 13:51:44 -
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I don't have the words to express what a gigantic moron you have to be to equate AOE weapons with themepark MMOs. I'm pretty sure the OP is just throwing out the word "themepark" as a buzzword here. |
Calanthas
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Posted - 2015.11.17 13:53:48 -
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Matrea D wrote:Your problem. The limits of your imagination and/or ability to reason is thankfully not a factor.
Imagination, and "ability to reason" are basic fundamentals learned when playing Eve. Im questioning why the Devs decided to drop in "products" of that process. |
Calanthas
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Posted - 2015.11.17 14:01:10 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:I don't have the words to express what a gigantic moron you have to be to equate AOE weapons with themepark MMOs. I'm pretty sure the OP is just throwing out the word "themepark" as a buzzword here.
As an example, one-shotting versus hitting a button, before focus fire. The changes next spring suggest removing the intricacies involved, in order to accomplish a goal - hence "theme-park". |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.11.17 14:04:16 -
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Omnarius Ziltoid wrote:Trying to piece together the logic of a laser beam slicing being a themepark feature. Gave me a headache. It's the impression a lot of people have over these new doomsdays. They are reminiscent of the "GET OUT OF THE GLOWING CIRCLES" mechanics when fighting bosses in games like WoW. They don't really fit well in EVE.
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Azda Ja
BUMP POW
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Posted - 2015.11.17 14:40:52 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:I don't have the words to express what a gigantic moron you have to be to equate AOE weapons with themepark MMOs. I'm pretty sure the OP is just throwing out the word "themepark" as a buzzword here. This.
Grrr.
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Calanthas
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Posted - 2015.11.17 15:18:12 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Omnarius Ziltoid wrote:Trying to piece together the logic of a laser beam slicing being a themepark feature. Gave me a headache. It's the impression a lot of people have over these new doomsdays. They are reminiscent of the "GET OUT OF THE GLOWING CIRCLES" mechanics when fighting bosses in games like WoW. They don't really fit well in EVE.
I personally don't want to have anything to do with theme-park MMOs. The thought of AOE "flying through space" doesn't make sense when looking at what other people are using in the theme-park MMOs.
However I can see how a DD may cause AOE. The Valkyrie video shows that to us: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ4gpjwJa08 (@ 3:05). Placing any kind of AOE type weapon on a ship, proactively for that reason, suggests the theme-park mentality. In my opinion it is a fine line that needs to be looked at - like Eve players do. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2015.11.17 15:22:15 -
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Calanthas wrote:It's actually a valid question. I pay for the subscription to play this game. Then CCP makes changes that suggests giving EVE the same appearance of a different game.
so? everyone else pays for it too why should your opinion matter more?
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2015.11.17 15:35:03 -
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Doomsdays used to have AOEs. Bombs have AOEs and so do smartbombs, ECM bursts and projected ECM bursts. How on earth is adding AOE capabilities back to ships that already had them in a game where many ships already have AOE weapons "suggest a themepark mentality"?
Shouldn't you be complaining about Tributes AKA daily quests instead? Since those are actually a thing directly inspired by themepark MMOs. |
Calanthas
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Posted - 2015.11.17 15:36:22 -
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Lan Wang wrote:so? everyone else pays for it too why should your opinion matter more?
Are you challenging my right to have an opinion? That would be an example of a theme-park MMO. |
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