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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.01.08 20:10:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 08/01/2007 20:09:49 Rigs: all Purger Lows: all PDU (PDS, whatever) Mids: 2x Invul (or EM+invul), rest LSE Highs: LASERS (yes, lasers), preferably small beam, but medium pulse works fine too, even mixes of them ** optionally, shield harmonizing link on one of two such Myrmidons Cargo: assorted lenses as needed (if needed) Drones: all Wasps (kinetic damage, high shield, decent speed)
Drones deal kinetic damage (and insane shield tank, best of any drones, easiest to pull back undamaged if it gets hairy), your weapons deal EM/thermal damage, all in all you have a decent damage spread.
Should solo-tank without problems just about any 0.0 spawn, and should also be able to solo-kill just about any spawn short some of officer/commander spawns... worst case scenario, you need two of them in a team.
Has no problems with capacitor recharge, even has too much of it (depending on lasers used), so you might even swap out a few PDUs for some heat sinks.
This ship should be able to stay in space indefinetely if you don't get the misfortune of a disconnect (and subsequent loss of drones), and the whole setup should be cheap enough to be completely expendable in case of gankage (and if you do the logoffsky properly, you shouldn't even GET ganked at all). _ My skills | Mod/Rig stacknerfing explained |
CrayC
Gallente CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.08 20:20:00 -
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I see a few problems with this...
1. Cargospace. Even though you do not use anything special on the crystals, where are you going to place the phat lewt you get from killing deep space rats?
2. Hitpoints. Not that many of them on a battlecruiser compared to a battleship. If you're in deep space, you are more likely to encounter big rats and they can pretty easily kill a BC, regardless of tank. With a BS you can fit cruiser-size lasers for better damage and still not worry about cap. Bigger guns, more damage, decent against frigs that your drones don't take care of...
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Constantine Arcanum
Gallente IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.
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Posted - 2007.01.08 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: CrayC I see a few problems with this...
1. Cargospace. Even though you do not use anything special on the crystals, where are you going to place the phat lewt you get from killing deep space rats?
2. Hitpoints. Not that many of them on a battlecruiser compared to a battleship. If you're in deep space, you are more likely to encounter big rats and they can pretty easily kill a BC, regardless of tank. With a BS you can fit cruiser-size lasers for better damage and still not worry about cap. Bigger guns, more damage, decent against frigs that your drones don't take care of...
BC can easily tank 0.0 BS 3 at a time.
I helped - Cortes What a shiny and lovely place here - Eshtir Well lets make it a party atleast :D -Xorus RAWWWR!11!!1!2 SIG HIJACK!!11!1 I found it first, get orrrfff moiiii laaannnd - Cortes |
Constantine Arcanum
Gallente IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.
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Posted - 2007.01.08 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T (and if you do the logoffsky properly, you shouldn't even GET ganked at all).
I suddenly decided I hate you. I helped - Cortes What a shiny and lovely place here - Eshtir Well lets make it a party atleast :D -Xorus RAWWWR!11!!1!2 SIG HIJACK!!11!1 I found it first, get orrrfff moiiii laaannnd - Cortes |
Beef Hardslab
The 5 Amigo's LLC.
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Posted - 2007.01.08 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: CrayC 2. Hitpoints. Not that many of them on a battlecruiser compared to a battleship. If you're in deep space, you are more likely to encounter big rats and they can pretty easily kill a BC, regardless of tank. With a BS you can fit cruiser-size lasers for better damage and still not worry about cap. Bigger guns, more damage, decent against frigs that your drones don't take care of...
I dunno much about the Myrmidon, but having flown both the Raven and the Drake, you can get one HELL of a tank on a Drake, much better IMO than what you can get on a Raven.
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MrTripps
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.08 20:42:00 -
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Why shield tank a ship that has an armor bonus?
Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so. - Bertrand Russell |
CrayC
Gallente CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.08 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: MrTripps Why shield tank a ship that has an armor bonus?
Free regeneration... Shield regens, armor does not...
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2007.01.08 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T (and if you do the logoffsky properly, you shouldn't even GET ganked at all).
. . . just gtfo Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin
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Segmentor
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.08 20:48:00 -
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Edited by: Segmentor on 08/01/2007 20:46:51
Originally by: Akita T Drones: all Wasps (kinetic damage, high shield, decent speed)
Will still prefer my pretty Ogre IIs for anything.
Originally by: Akita T This ship should be able to stay in space indefinetely
First, what will you do with all the loot? Ratting just for bounties is stupid, you can get stuff worth 10x the bouty. And dont forget to salvage those wrecks.
Also, you will still need to dock to repair your armor, and get som fresh crystals for your lasers, if you use t2.
So generally, the idea of never docking sucks, and a Drake is multiple times better at what you want to do with this ship. Myrmidons have a bonus for armor tanking ffs!
Originally by: Akita T (and if you do the logoffsky properly, you shouldn't even GET ganked at all).
Die. -----
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M00dy
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.01.08 21:48:00 -
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Scooping loot and salvaging ftl.
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PCX339
Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2007.01.08 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: MrTripps Why shield tank a ship that has an armor bonus?
Originally by: MrTripps Why shield tank a ship that has an armor bonus?
Go play with shield tank numbers for a while. I am pure Gallente spec so I hate it, but shield tanking is better in every way now. With the T2 boost amps active shield tanking is more cap efficient, and some of the passive shield tanks regen faster than even a Myr armor reps with its bonus. The rigs for passive tanking (which the OP is using here) are crazy, they stack and effectively double the tank regen. Armor tanking can't get near it.
Two friends of mine have left the game disgusted they aren't Caldari since Revelations.. fortunately they gave me their stuff (true story!)
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StinkFinger
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.01.08 22:02:00 -
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If you want to rat in deep-space with minimal to no docking, then flying anything other then Amarr is dumb.
Originally by: Tuxford Needy needy people
I'll try to make some stuff up
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M00dy
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.01.08 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: StinkFinger If you want to rat in deep-space with minimal to no docking, then flying anything other then Amarr is dumb.
Well that's fine if all you want to do in this game is kill NPC rats. Unfortunately that's really boring.
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.01.08 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: M00dy
Originally by: StinkFinger If you want to rat in deep-space with minimal to no docking, then flying anything other then Amarr is dumb.
Well that's fine if all you want to do in this game is kill NPC rats. Unfortunately that's really boring.
I wouldnt solo-pvp in deep space unless there is a pos, station near (near = 15 jumps away max.) Or you are in a vagabond, but that needs ammo aswell...
The guy is talking about a npc setup. But i have a minor problem
shieldtanking a myrmidom is for gheylords & logtactics are even more ghey.
Ive put the perfect myrmidom setup together for you:
high: all nos medium: sensorboosters + shieldtank low: warpcorestabs
dronebay: EM drones, just because they are ghey aswell.
The setup i used in 0.0 and which i killed 3* 10 mil bs and factions cruisers in is:
vexor:
4X medium anode beam (4*multi/micro) 1X small E5 NOS
10mn ab 2 x5 web eutetic caprecharger
medium armor rep 2 1600mm rolled thungsten rat specific hardener rat specific hardener
5* hammerhead 2 2* backup hammerhead 2
worked fine _________________________________________________ Breetime
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Kyden
Gallente Path of Light Hell Hounds
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Posted - 2007.01.09 01:35:00 -
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Edited by: Kyden on 09/01/2007 01:33:24 Edited by: Kyden on 09/01/2007 01:32:33
Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: M00dy
Originally by: StinkFinger If you want to rat in deep-space with minimal to no docking, then flying anything other then Amarr is dumb.
Well that's fine if all you want to do in this game is kill NPC rats. Unfortunately that's really boring.
I wouldnt solo-pvp in deep space unless there is a pos, station near (near = 15 jumps away max.) Or you are in a vagabond, but that needs ammo aswell...
The guy is talking about a npc setup. But i have a minor problem
shieldtanking a myrmidom is for gheylords & logtactics are even more ghey.
Ive put the perfect myrmidom setup together for you:
high: all nos medium: sensorboosters + shieldtank low: warpcorestabs
dronebay: EM drones, just because they are ghey aswell.
The setup i used in 0.0 and which i killed 3* 10 mil bs and factions cruisers in is:
vexor:
4X medium anode beam (4*multi/micro) 1X small E5 NOS
10mn ab 2 x5 web eutetic caprecharger
medium armor rep 2 1600mm rolled thungsten rat specific hardener rat specific hardener
5* hammerhead 2 2* backup hammerhead 2
worked fine
I rat successfully in 0.0 in a thorax, can tank bs spawns all day.
Highs: 5 duel 150 scout rails med: 10mnwd, webber, cap booster lows: x4 rat specific t2 energized plating(not 4 of the same, but 2 for the 2 types of main damage, t2 repper
5 hammerheads
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Samirol
Turbulent
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Posted - 2007.01.09 01:41:00 -
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i refuse to help a logoffskier Tier 2 BS Lotto
Contact mach'ett3 for all your sig needs
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Trind2222
Amarr Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.01.09 04:38:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 08/01/2007 20:09:49 Rigs: all Purger Lows: all PDU (PDS, whatever) Mids: 2x Invul (or EM+invul), rest LSE Highs: LASERS (yes, lasers), preferably small beam, but medium pulse works fine too, even mixes of them ** optionally, shield harmonizing link on one of two such Myrmidons Cargo: assorted lenses as needed (if needed) Drones: all Wasps (kinetic damage, high shield, decent speed)
Drones deal kinetic damage (and insane shield tank, best of any drones, easiest to pull back undamaged if it gets hairy), your weapons deal EM/thermal damage, all in all you have a decent damage spread.
Should solo-tank without problems just about any 0.0 spawn, and should also be able to solo-kill just about any spawn short some of officer/commander spawns... worst case scenario, you need two of them in a team.
Has no problems with capacitor recharge, even has too much of it (depending on lasers used), so you might even swap out a few PDUs for some heat sinks.
This ship should be able to stay in space indefinetely if you don't get the misfortune of a disconnect (and subsequent loss of drones), and the whole setup should be cheap enough to be completely expendable in case of gankage (and if you do the logoffsky properly, you shouldn't even GET ganked at all).
1.Your setup sux
2.If you gona det some respekt in eve don't log off.
3.I if you don't like to lose a isk play a another game, eve is a ffa pvp game.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.01.09 14:29:00 -
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First of, you got to love it when people just go ahead and assume that one DOES indeed use "logoffsky" tactics just because he mentioned them in the first place.
For your information, I never logged off intentionally during any combat, ever. That doesn't change the fact some people WILL logoff when feeling threatened. You don't have to be a "user" of a certain tactic to ascertain its "usefulness".
And again, you can whine as much as possible against it, but you WON'T get much better results by armor-tanking the Myrmidon, compared to passive shield-tanking it, quite the opposite actually, if you factor in "leftover" capacitor and such. Of course, those people that don't know how to run the numbers or prefer to stick their necks in the sand, while chanting the "not true, not true" mantra, yeah, go ahead, armor-tank it, I don't mind your existance.
The Wasps, lasers and optional shield harmonizing link (if working in a team) are only the next logical step up... you WILL have plenty of excess capacitor, you will deal most of your damage from drones, can pick either thermal for best overall damage or kinetic for best drone survivability, only no-ammo used and coincidentally also pretty decent raw DPS comes from lasers in EM/thermal flavors, so picking Wasps is a no-brainer... and if you're in a team, the link can not hurt.
Now, one would argue that you need to pick up every little loot piece and salvage every wreck... well, you COULD do that, but then again you'd need a "truck" with you to pick up a full load every couple of hours or so... truth is, in most cases, especially solo and in space with no nearby friendly stations, you're better off just not picking up anything that's NOT very valuable... so just cherry-pick your loot. _ My skills | Mod/Rig stacknerfing explained |
The Shin
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Posted - 2007.01.09 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: CrayC I see a few problems with this...
2. Hitpoints. Not that many of them on a battlecruiser compared to a battleship. If you're in deep space, you are more likely to encounter big rats and they can pretty easily kill a BC, regardless of tank. With a BS you can fit cruiser-size lasers for better damage and still not worry about cap. Bigger guns, more damage, decent against frigs that your drones don't take care of...
LOL
PLz. tell that to all my BCs.. I even had a little nimble ferox that tanked 3x 2.5 mil rats for a looong time. though it did take me ahile to kill them. but tank awsnt an issue (and if you got 5x warrior II with you. no rat frig will survive)
Still. you must have used wronf resists or non at all when maing these assuptions.
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.01.09 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: The Shin
Originally by: CrayC I see a few problems with this...
2. Hitpoints. Not that many of them on a battlecruiser compared to a battleship. If you're in deep space, you are more likely to encounter big rats and they can pretty easily kill a BC, regardless of tank. With a BS you can fit cruiser-size lasers for better damage and still not worry about cap. Bigger guns, more damage, decent against frigs that your drones don't take care of...
LOL
PLz. tell that to all my BCs.. I even had a little nimble ferox that tanked 3x 2.5 mil rats for a looong time. though it did take me ahile to kill them. but tank awsnt an issue (and if you got 5x warrior II with you. no rat frig will survive)
Still. you must have used wronf resists or non at all when maing these assuptions.
If im beltratting in something bigger than a cruiser i prefer melting the rats instead of tanking em. far cooler to fit a good gank setup+mwd and just lay on the hurt. think ill have the same ammount of shield left on my armor tanking brutix as on your shieldtanking ferox than ^^. goes a lot faster aswell. _________________________________________________ Breetime
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NAP
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Posted - 2007.01.09 15:25:00 -
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"(and if you do the logoffsky properly, you shouldn't even GET ganked at all)"
This statement, and your interminable math-laden posts about your noob Drake setup have compromised your credibility forever.
Deletion and a reroll is your only option.
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Redback911
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Posted - 2007.01.09 15:27:00 -
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Get a small group of you into a dead end constellation with a carrier (cloak fitted). Rat, loot salvage all you want. It's what carriers were made for.
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Spanker
Genco
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Posted - 2007.01.09 15:39:00 -
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First of all. Giving a nice ratting setup for a Myrmidon doesn't mean to say he thinks the Myrmidon necessarily is the best ratting ship out there. It's just a nice ratting setup for a Myrmidon, that's all. And it was a rather good one at that, thanks.
Secondly. Log off tactics are used by so many at this point you'd practically be at a disadvantage if you're stubborn enough not to use it. Be it morally correct or not. It's common practice, face it. And besides, although it might sound a bit rich, the fact is the more people use it the greater the chance is the people at CCP will try and fix it. It's like selling GTC's, as long as it's legal game mechanics wise you can't blame people for taking advantage of it. You can even go so far as to say that without people using these outrageous exploits EVE wouldn't evolve as it has done over the years. So just bite the bullet.
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Steppa
Gallente Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2007.01.09 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: CrayC I see a few problems with this...
1. Cargospace. Even though you do not use anything special on the crystals, where are you going to place the phat lewt you get from killing deep space rats?
2. Hitpoints. Not that many of them on a battlecruiser compared to a battleship. If you're in deep space, you are more likely to encounter big rats and they can pretty easily kill a BC, regardless of tank. With a BS you can fit cruiser-size lasers for better damage and still not worry about cap. Bigger guns, more damage, decent against frigs that your drones don't take care of...
You've never heard of a hunt dump in 0.0?
If you can afford it, an Ishtar is far better at this role, although I like the Myrmidon for infinite hunt/salvage.
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Bardi MecAuldnis
Amarr Pirates of Destruction Union
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Posted - 2007.01.09 16:17:00 -
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Edited by: Bardi MecAuldnis on 09/01/2007 16:15:05 If you're looking for turrets and a shield tank, why not just use a laser mounted ferox? Your shields should be much harder, ne?
Edit: I'm not quite awake, I forgot about the Myrm drpwnage... oops.. --- Hey hey let's go kenka suru! Taisetsuna mono protect my balls! Boku ga warui so lets fighting! LET'S FIGHTING LOVE!!! |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.01.10 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: Spanker It's just a nice ratting setup for a Myrmidon, that's all. And it was a rather good one at that, thanks.
Log off tactics are used by so many at this point you'd practically be at a disadvantage if you're stubborn enough not to use it. [...] although it might sound a bit rich, the fact is the more people use it the greater the chance is the people at CCP will try and fix it.
Couldn't have said it better myself, thanks for the rephrasing _ My skills | Mod/Rig stacknerfing explained |
Davis McCall
Love and Rockets
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Posted - 2007.01.10 01:06:00 -
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What in the name of god is logoffsking?
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2007.01.10 01:20:00 -
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What are the lasers doing on this setup?
I mean small beam lasers or medium pulse lasers? You dont have a propulsion mod, how do you hit things? ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew" |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.01.10 01:36:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 10/01/2007 01:33:54
Originally by: Goumindong What are the lasers doing on this setup? I mean small beam lasers or medium pulse lasers? You dont have a propulsion mod, how do you hit things?
Completely opposed to "regular" ship setups where your guns are the main damage source, this ship setup has its vast majority of damage concentrated in drones... and with heavy drones only, you're lacking a decent anti-NPC-frigate damage dealer... and those guns are "it". And of course, you can always "assist" your drones by shooting larger things that like to stay in those gun's range for some obscure reason Besides, you do have a max/top speed of about 181, usually enough to slowly close on those other pesky NPC targets, no ? _ My skills | Mod/Rig stacknerfing explained |
Gamesguy
Amarr E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.10 02:01:00 -
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So what do you do when your drones are 40km off dealing with some npc bs, and a hostile comes into local. You recall your drones but it'll take them far too long to get back to you, so you ss.
The red guy warps to the belt looking for you, sees your drones, pops them.
Now you have no drones and no way to resupply.
Conclusion? Use a raven, their disposable anyways, and you can always haul in a few tens of thousands of torps in a hauler and dump it in a sec can.
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