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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
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Posted - 2015.11.18 18:53:16 -
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A bit of more constructive news in the midst of all the recent devestation, it appears an interstellar consortium has been founded by Chemal Tech, Eifyr & Co, Intaki Bank, Mordu's Legion, Ytiri, and Zoar & Sons.
Given the participation of the Intaki Bank, Mordu's Legion, and Ytiri in this venture, I look forward to seeing where it progresses.
Ytiri is especially a curious case, I must note. While notionally independent and a corporation without initial patronage from the Big Eight, their stations bear KK livery. I can only assume that KK provided at least some amount of mezzanine funding, and so they enjoy a close relationship.
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2576
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Posted - 2015.11.18 19:07:42 -
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Because capsuleers really need even more dominance than they already have.
Greed runs the galaxy.
For whosoever shall lay his life down for his Lord
He shall be taken into the arms of God
And forever consecrated will he be.
-Amarr-Askura 2:3
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Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
32248
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Posted - 2015.11.18 19:17:42 -
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I'll take one.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Sahriah BloodStone
No.Mercy Triumvirate.
236
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Posted - 2015.11.18 19:25:29 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Because capsuleers really need even more dominance than they already have.
Greed runs the galaxy.
Capsuleer dominance will continue to rise regardless. Do you think that there wouldn't eventually be Capsuleers who were enterprising enough to step into the station market?
By taking steps to secure a regulated market now, they are at the very least ensuring some sort of empire oversight along with the ability to specify exact designs and security measures. All those baseliner lifeboats that we are blocked from targetting? You can bet Capsuleer-made stations would not hold the same restrictions.
Besides Ms. Kernher, God has already shown a preference for a more open-minded and economically strong empire. You should embrace these new ideals and have faith that all shall be well.
Sahriah Bloodstone
Praetor, No.Mercy
"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
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ValentinaDLM
Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute
818
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Posted - 2015.11.18 20:36:17 -
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I wish Eifyr & Co. the best of success in this project, it is good to see our Corporations participating as peers to such other esteemed names. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1625
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Posted - 2015.11.18 20:58:34 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Because capsuleers really need even more dominance than they already have.
Greed runs the galaxy.
Personally, I'm looking forward to infrastructure more directly suited to the needs of the capsuleer. If nothing else, it's likely that the primary control systems for that kind of infrastructure will be pod-based, reducing the number of baseliners put at risk. If they're sufficiently broad in the applications they explore, perhaps we can even break out of the self-reinforcing spiral that has so many capsuleers focus solely on destruction, because it's what so many tell them is all they're really good for.
Research, industrial development, and other fields are already dabbled in by capsuleer groups - dedicated facilities made to interface with the pod... they could prove incredibly beneficial to the entire cluster.
Also, I can neither confirm nor deny reports that certain entities near the Mordu's Legion home systems may or may not make significant investments in this new consortium. It's all scurrilous slander intended to discredit Upwell, I'm sure. |
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
284
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Posted - 2015.11.18 20:59:34 -
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This has made the graphs in my personal portfolio do funny things.
"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13
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Spero Ohmiras
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.11.18 21:33:41 -
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Arteu and the Legion in concert again, there's cause for acclaim. That Ytiri are a consort is gratifying, personally, as their agents have proved reliable partners over the years.
May Wind-of-the-West carry the vision. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
866
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Posted - 2015.11.19 03:39:19 -
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Arrendis wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:Because capsuleers really need even more dominance than they already have.
Greed runs the galaxy. Personally, I'm looking forward to infrastructure more directly suited to the needs of the capsuleer. If nothing else, it's likely that the primary control systems for that kind of infrastructure will be pod-based, reducing the number of baseliners put at risk. If they're sufficiently broad in the applications they explore, perhaps we can even break out of the self-reinforcing spiral that has so many capsuleers focus solely on destruction, because it's what so many tell them is all they're really good for. Research, industrial development, and other fields are already dabbled in by capsuleer groups - dedicated facilities made to interface with the pod... they could prove incredibly beneficial to the entire cluster. Also, I can neither confirm nor deny reports that certain entities near the Mordu's Legion home systems may or may not make significant investments in this new consortium. It's all scurrilous slander intended to discredit Upwell, I'm sure.
So, space stations whose administrators are capsuleers in pods.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1632
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Posted - 2015.11.19 04:21:22 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:So, space stations whose administrators are capsuleers in pods.
Administrators? Hardly the limits of what I'm thinking of. I'm thinking more of things like researchers who are directly hooked into the results and testing processes in real-time, unburdened by the limitations of the human body in how much time they can devote to the task. Ideally, multi-pod capacity to allow multiple, in effect, biological expert systems to monitor different aspects of every strain of research, every production line, to maximize effectiveness and results, to streamline the process, evaluate where improvements in the process or in the product can be made.
And again... just the beginning. The merest scratching of the surface of possibility.
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Neph
Operation Meatshield Plexodus
200
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Posted - 2015.11.19 06:15:48 -
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Hmm. Comparing the Consortium to Crielere? Seems hardly appropriate, all things considered...
Our peoples have stared extinction in the eye; but we have spat in that eye and stood to fight with valor and undying loyalty to our culture and our kin. Our struggle is as one, so let us struggle together.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1632
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Posted - 2015.11.19 06:31:57 -
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I don't know - as a joint effort between large corporate entities across multiple nationalities that's almost certainly going to annoy Rabbit... I'd say it's apt.
Let's hope that Mordu's Legion is up to the task of defending them against the pirates. Though, of course, we'd be more than happy to handle the security for any facilities in Pure Blind, Fade, Deklein, or parts north... for appropriate considerations. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
867
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Posted - 2015.11.19 08:52:42 -
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Arrendis wrote:I don't know - as a joint effort between large corporate entities across multiple nationalities that's almost certainly going to annoy Rabbit... I'd say it's apt.
Let's hope that Mordu's Legion is up to the task of defending them against the pirates. Though, of course, we'd be more than happy to handle the security for any facilities in Pure Blind, Fade, Deklein, or parts north... for appropriate considerations.
The general reputation of your employer might make that a tad difficult.
Mordu's Legion, supposedly, had a good track record.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Seraphim Risen
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
42
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Posted - 2015.11.19 12:24:30 -
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Anslo wrote:I'll take one.
Only one? You think too small. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1634
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Posted - 2015.11.19 15:39:30 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:The general reputation of your employer might make that a tad difficult.
Mordu's Legion, supposedly, had a good track record.
The general reputation of my employer includes being the single most persistent and effective enemies of the Guristas in all of New Eden. Put simply, there is no-one with more experience in keeping them from their objectives.
You'll notice, despite all the stupid things our pilots have done with their supercapitals, it wasn't one of our Wyverns that Rabbit's boys stole. |
Sahriah BloodStone
No.Mercy Triumvirate.
238
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Posted - 2015.11.19 19:22:20 -
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Arrendis wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:The general reputation of your employer might make that a tad difficult.
Mordu's Legion, supposedly, had a good track record. The general reputation of my employer includes being the single most persistent and effective enemies of the Guristas in all of New Eden. Put simply, there is no-one with more experience in keeping them from their objectives. You'll notice, despite all the stupid things our pilots have done with their supercapitals, it wasn't one of our Wyverns that Rabbit's boys stole.
I think the empires would favour a more trustworthy and..proven entity like Mordu's Legion. A persistent and effective force means little when its chance of turning on you for profit is high.
Sahriah Bloodstone
Praetor, No.Mercy
"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1635
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Posted - 2015.11.19 19:54:50 -
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Sahriah BloodStone wrote:I think the empires would favour a more trustworthy and..proven entity like Mordu's Legion. A persistent and effective force means little when its chance of turning on you for profit is high.
Please show me the last time we violated an agreement.
I'll wait. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
868
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Posted - 2015.11.20 07:02:55 -
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Arrendis wrote:Sahriah BloodStone wrote:I think the empires would favour a more trustworthy and..proven entity like Mordu's Legion. A persistent and effective force means little when its chance of turning on you for profit is high. Please show me the last time we violated an agreement. I'll wait.
But you can't deny that the name of 'Imperium' conjures all kinds of knee-jerk negative response in the capsuleer community, at least, anyone who isn't 'Imperium'. If an Empire employs the Imperium to do their bidding they risk a serious PR clusterfuck with reaction-ist capsuleers, of which there are many.
Then you will hear lots of accusations of 'sell out' or 'conspiracy' or tinfoil shenanigans and the usual 'Grr Goons' nonsense. A real darn troublesome crap any bureaucracy wouldn't enjoy navigating.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
287
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Posted - 2015.11.20 07:37:54 -
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The dear lady's request for an example of outright treachery and treaty breaking remains unanswered. Say what you will about the so called Imperium, but they have a history of operating with a sort of obscene honesty. When they are your friend, they treat you as a friend. When you stop being their friend they tell you before they kill you. And for everyone else they advertise clearly that it is a free for all.
Savage and sadistic? Yes. Dishonest. No, strictly speaking.
"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
868
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Posted - 2015.11.20 07:45:40 -
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Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:The dear lady's request for an example of outright treachery and treaty breaking remains unanswered. Say what you will about the so called Imperium, but they have a history of operating with a sort of obscene honesty. When they are your friend, they treat you as a friend. When you stop being their friend they tell you before they kill you. And for everyone else they advertise clearly that it is a free for all.
Savage and sadistic? Yes. Dishonest. No, strictly speaking.
I cannot answer that question because I have no evidence. Most I can speak of is perception on the Imperium. As you might know, capsuleers seem to enjoy creating or appointing a boogeyman, a villainous overlord or just plain someone to blame for everything that has gone wrong in their lives. Someone or someones to be their 'Molok'.
As for now, that entity is the Imperium, hence the possible outrage and all that nonsense drama that might follow if the Imperium is employed by any of the Big Four.
Point out that the Imperium has always fulfilled their words will only result with them either ignoring that fact or bringing up that the 'devil' or 'Molok' does not outright lie. You know that deal. Biases, truth being less power than perception and blah blah blah.
Hence why I mentioned it would be difficult for the Imperium to be chosen over Mordu's Legion, which didn't drag around that kind of baggage.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1635
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Posted - 2015.11.20 09:42:54 -
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First, I simply have to say:
Elmund Egivand wrote: If an Empire employs the Imperium to do their bidding they risk a serious PR clusterfuck
I see what you did there. Bravo, sir. As a sincere appreciator of clever wordplay, I could not let that go unacknowledged.
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote: Savage and sadistic? Yes. Dishonest. No, strictly speaking.
And yet again, I feel compelled to point out the same truth I spoke in the other thread: we have no more or less a percentage of the 'savage and sadistic' than any other group of capsuleers. Ours are simply more organized, and more visible because, well, there are a lot of us. And even our savages, we do try to ameliorate a bit - you'll note, please, that none of the Ministry of Love's focused campaigns (the so-called 'Burn Jita' and 'Burn Amarr' events) ever went unheralded. Advanced warning was given in every case - warning that any industrialist or freight-hauler could use to avoid any difficulty whatsoever by simply not hauling during the affected seventy-two hours.
Is it a perfect solution? No. Is it supposed to make it all ok? I wouldn't think so. But it should still be taken into account.
However, on to the crux of the issue:
Elmund Egivand wrote:Most I can speak of is perception on the Imperium. As you might know, capsuleers seem to enjoy creating or appointing a boogeyman, a villainous overlord or just plain someone to blame for everything that has gone wrong in their lives.
[. . .]
Hence why I mentioned it would be difficult for the Imperium to be chosen over Mordu's Legion, which didn't drag around that kind of baggage.
The sad fact is, if you mention Mordu's Legion to most of the capsuleers of New Eden, they'll be labelled 'pirates', because the Barghest, Orthrus, and Garmur are listed in Jita 4-4 under 'Pirate Faction' in the Battleship, Cruiser, and Frigate listings. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
869
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Posted - 2015.11.20 09:53:17 -
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Arrendis wrote:
The sad fact is, if you mention Mordu's Legion to most of the capsuleers of New Eden, they'll be labelled 'pirates', because the Barghest, Orthrus, and Garmur are listed in Jita 4-4 under 'Pirate Faction' in the Battleship, Cruiser, and Frigate listings.
But the boogeymen would be the pilots of the ships and the ships themselves rather than the Legion proper. Also, lesser evil and other nonsense.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1637
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Posted - 2015.11.20 17:27:19 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Arrendis wrote:
The sad fact is, if you mention Mordu's Legion to most of the capsuleers of New Eden, they'll be labelled 'pirates', because the Barghest, Orthrus, and Garmur are listed in Jita 4-4 under 'Pirate Faction' in the Battleship, Cruiser, and Frigate listings.
But the boogeymen would be the pilots of the ships and the ships themselves rather than the Legion proper. Also, lesser evil and other nonsense.
Listing the Legion's designs under 'pirate' has the effect, for most capsuleers, of rendering them exactly the same kind of boogeymen as the Guristas, Blood Raiders, or Serpentis. For those people, 'The Legion proper'... would be who, if not the individuals who designed and originally flew those hulls?
Like I said, it's sad, but to most people, 'Mordu's Legion' == 'pirates'. Heck, most of them probably can't tell the difference between Mordu's Legion and the Guristas, other than maybe ship types. The existence of Mordu's Angels, who are pirates, doesn't help.
Also, when you're looking for experts and ways to develop infrastructure for deep space that's intended to stand up to the rigors of being shot at (and if it's in space, it needs to stand up to being shot at), why would you ever settle for the lesser of two evils? Go for the gold standard. Who else can really put whatever Upwell designs through its paces the way we can? |
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
291
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Posted - 2015.11.20 20:27:39 -
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Arrendis wrote:And yet again, I feel compelled to point out the same truth I spoke in the other thread: we have no more or less a percentage of the 'savage and sadistic' than any other group of capsuleers. Ours are simply more organized, and more visible because, well, there are a lot of us. And even our savages, we do try to ameliorate a bit - you'll note, please, that none of the Ministry of Love's focused campaigns (the so-called 'Burn Jita' and 'Burn Amarr' events) ever went unheralded. Advanced warning was given in every case - warning that any industrialist or freight-hauler could use to avoid any difficulty whatsoever by simply not hauling during the affected seventy-two hours.
Is it a perfect solution? No. Is it supposed to make it all ok? I wouldn't think so. But it should still be taken into account.
Pointing out that others are violent does not excuse, lessen, or in anyway change the violence of your own cohorts.
"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1638
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Posted - 2015.11.20 21:06:54 -
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Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:Pointing out that others are violent does not excuse, lessen, or in anyway change the violence of your own cohorts.
Nor should it be seen as an attempt to excuse, lessen, or in any way change it. However, if others who are, proportionately, no different from us are going to call us 'savages', then pointing out their hypocrisy is entirely appropriate. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
872
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Posted - 2015.11.22 03:49:12 -
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Arrendis, you are avoiding the crux of the topic that is Imperium having a worse reputation for supervillain douchebaggery compared to the Mordu's Legion.
First and foremost, the pirate factions do not make teeth-gnashing headlines the same scale as the Imperium, once known as the CFC. Every so often, they steal a Titan, a Supercarrier, make really powerful ships and the like that causes other capsuleers to go, "Oh. Okay. It happened." On the other hand, the Imperium does things like, "Burn Jita", interdictions, the sort of thing that does, in fact, more visibly directly impact the routines of capsuleers, resulting in them gnashing their teeth and going all "Grr Goons" every time the name 'Imperium' or 'CFC' shows up for any reason.
If you really want to **** someone off, go touch their property. The Imperium has touched many capsuleer properties, much more visibly. The pirate factions haven't really done that much, they are more focused on riling up the feathers of the Big 4. The most that angers capsuleers about the Mordu's Legion will be when they lost their ships to another capsuleer that's flying a Garmur ("That kitey bastard!"). The Imperium? "Grr Goons interdicting Jita, killing my Hulk, blob me to death, kick me out of null, etc".
Considering that capsuleers are a big part of the greasing of engines of space-based whatever, and the shenanigans of the Imperium inspires the great gnashing of teeth in the capsuleer community, I don't think the Big 4 and Concord are particularly keen about hiring the Imperium and cause the capsuleers to froth over their mouth and then shoot the Jita statue or some other silly thing that would probably amount to 'A strike by those dudes with the really big guns and cargo holds'.
So in all likelihood, they would hire Mordu's Legion, who is the next best thing that doesn't cause waves of 'Grr Legion' the same scale as the Imperium does.
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Ayallah
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
454
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Posted - 2015.11.22 06:22:24 -
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Is there ever a thread on the IGS that is not derailed by page two?
Until she returns
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1639
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Posted - 2015.11.22 06:23:34 -
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Oh, I'm not avoiding it at all. I'm simply saying that if you want to use an inferior service, then the inferior results are completely deserved. And if you want to build and design infrastructure for capsuleer use, then villifying the single largest bloc of your potential customers is probably far more foolish than having a few ignorant reactionaries who never venture into territory where they might have reason to buy capsuleer infrastructure decide they're annoyed at you for who you associate with.
Also, Ayallah, since the discussion is in the larger context of Imperium involvement with the Upwell Consortium, I'm not really sure how you call it a derail. |
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