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Terminal Insanity
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Posted - 2015.11.19 21:31:31 -
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seriously ccp, when the **** are you going to fix this ****?
why is the grid on this station undock only 60km long?
Do you have any plans to fix this or is this working as intended?
"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.11.19 21:34:15 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:seriously ccp, when the **** are you going to fix this ****?
why is the grid on this station undock only 60km long?
Do you have any plans to fix this or is this working as intended?
dont worry, i dont actually expect any ccp replies. I dont think any highsec players have an issue with this stuff so who cares, right? Go to SiSi.
Grids there are currently 25,000 km.
There's been lots of news on this lately.
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Rawketsled
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Posted - 2015.11.19 21:34:29 -
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What does this post achieve?
Other than giving the local trolls a new thread to play in, not much. HTFU. |
Terminal Insanity
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Posted - 2015.11.19 21:40:34 -
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Rawketsled wrote:What does this post achieve?
Other than giving the local trolls a new thread to play in, not much. HTFU.
right. so players can manipulate the grid to the point where the grid is smaller than my locking range, and i need to just HTFU. lmfao Its a glaring bug that has existed for LITERALLY over a decade. The fact its not been fixed is obscene. And the mouthbreather mentality of defending CCP for being deliberately ignorant about the exploit for literally a decade, also explains why theres so many ******* problems in the real world as well
"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
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Rawketsled
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Posted - 2015.11.19 21:44:45 -
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GD is not the place to cry about it.
File a petition or something. |
Terminal Insanity
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Posted - 2015.11.19 21:45:41 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Go check out what's happening with grids on SiSi.
Grids there are currently about 25,000 km wide and CCP are playing with the figures due to issues that huge grids are creating, so they can release them to TQ. Bigger grids are needed when Citadels are released as the XL Citadel is larger than the current grid size. So work on this very issue is currently underway.
Even with the new grids, grid foo will still be possible (so working as intended), but much less likely.
There's been lots of news on this lately.
in other words, they dont actually care that theres a major exploit/bug active in their game for decades, the only reason they're going to do anything about it is the new selling feature on their next expansion might have problems with it. lol.
"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
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Scipio Artelius
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Posted - 2015.11.19 21:46:08 -
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All this over the loss of a Noctis?
Yeah maybe HTFU is appropriate.
Grid Fu is not an exploit. It never has been.
Here is the list of known and declared exploits:
https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/204873262-Known-Declared-Exploits?flash_digest=7ee08de0463507ab789f2fc2cc71a5f0534081b1
Grid Manipulation is specifically a non-exploit.
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Terminal Insanity
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Posted - 2015.11.19 21:49:48 -
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Rawketsled wrote:GD is not the place to cry about it.
File a petition or something.
what is a petition going to accomplish? "logs show nothing"
I dont even care about the loss. 80mil to me is the equivalent of a 5k isk shuttle. What pisses me off is this exploit still exists and ccp honestly doesnt give a ****.
maybe if we're lucky, fozzie will introduce some timers to the grid mechanics?
"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
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Terminal Insanity
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Posted - 2015.11.19 21:53:00 -
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exactly, ccp doesnt even give a ****.
It IS an exploit. are you telling me this is an intended game mechanic? or is this a bug in the grid mechanics that players are exploiting, and ccp simply doesnt give a ****, and never bothered listing it as an exploit?
"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.11.19 21:55:57 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:It IS an exploit. are you telling me this is an intended game mechanic? Read the list of non-exploits.
Second one in the list: Grid Manipulation
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Chainsaw Plankton
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Posted - 2015.11.19 22:16:27 -
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why should it be an exploit?
also umm let me tell you about this nifty feature called d-scan
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Terminal Insanity
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Posted - 2015.11.19 22:16:45 -
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Okay so what is the lore explaination for this?
If this isnt a "bug" with the "mechanics", then certainly there is a lore explaination?
Otherwise, CCP claiming this isn't an exploit just means CCP has no idea what the definition of "exploit" is.
"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
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Chainsaw Plankton
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Posted - 2015.11.19 22:19:49 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:no idea what the definition of "exploit" is.
so what is an "exploit"
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Terminal Insanity
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Posted - 2015.11.19 22:20:04 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:why should it be an exploit?
also umm let me tell you about this nifty feature called d-scan
If i could do this in any other videogame, it would easily be called an exploit. If i could limit your vision in Battlefield, Team Fortress or whatever else you play to just a few feet infront of you, you'd just HTFU and deal with it right? If while you played Fallout4 supermutants just appeared directly infront of you, and no, they dont have any stealthboy, you'd just HTFU and deal with it, right?
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.11.19 22:21:04 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:Okay so what is the lore explaination for this?
If this isnt a "bug" with the "mechanics", then certainly there is a lore explaination?
Otherwise, CCP claiming this isn't an exploit just means CCP has no idea what the definition of "exploit" is. Keep crying. This is quite enjoyable.
Why does there have to be a lore reason for exploits? Exploits aren't based on lore, they're based mostly on gameplay.
Not a single currently declared exploit or ruled non-exploit is lore based. They are all gameplay based.
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Terminal Insanity
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Posted - 2015.11.19 22:23:55 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:Okay so what is the lore explaination for this?
If this isnt a "bug" with the "mechanics", then certainly there is a lore explaination?
Otherwise, CCP claiming this isn't an exploit just means CCP has no idea what the definition of "exploit" is. Keep crying. This is quite enjoyable. Why does there have to be a lore reason for exploits? Exploits aren't based on lore, they're based mostly on gameplay.
I thought this wasnt an exploit? but now it is?
So, when its not convenient to fix the code, its not an exploit. But we dont want to bother with creating a lore reason for it ether, so it is an exploit! But we still dont want to fix the code, so its not an exploit but why would there be any lore explaination for an exploit!
"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.11.19 22:29:07 -
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Your tears are glorious.
It's not an exploit.
You are crying about a Noctis? Really?
Where was your insta undock?
Learn to eve, not cry.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Scipio Artelius
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Posted - 2015.11.19 22:29:08 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:I thought this wasnt an exploit? but now it is? What?
Did you even read the list?
Here, I'll even quote the start of it for you:
Common Misconceptions about Exploits
This passage contains common tactics and other player conduct that is often mistakenly reported as exploits but are in fact not.
Where did you suddenly jump to now it's an exploit?
Terminal Insanity wrote:So, when its not convenient to fix the code, its not an exploit. But we dont want to bother with creating a lore reason for it ether, so it is an exploit! But we still dont want to fix the code, so its not an exploit but why would there be any lore explaination for an exploit! No. When it's ruled not an exploit, it's not an exploit.
As to why would there be a lore explanation, yeah I'm still wondering. You asked what the lore explanation is for it not being an exploit, but lore doesn't have anything to do with any of the exploits. The lore, for the list of current exploits and non-exploits, is irrelevant.
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Austneal
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Posted - 2015.11.19 22:30:27 -
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It's not an exploit. It's a deliberate game mechanic.
Also comparing TF2 and Battlefield to Eve... |
Terminal Insanity
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Posted - 2015.11.19 22:32:10 -
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Austneal wrote:It's not an exploit. It's a deliberate game mechanic.
Also comparing TF2 and Battlefield to Eve...
This is literally hilarious.
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Terminal Insanity
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Posted - 2015.11.19 22:34:44 -
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What you perceive as "tears" is actually just disappointment.
The fact so many of you people actually defend the position of this being an "intended feature" is beyond moronic.
"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
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Austneal
Nero Fazione End of Life
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Posted - 2015.11.19 22:35:19 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:Austneal wrote:It's not an exploit. It's a deliberate game mechanic.
Also comparing TF2 and Battlefield to Eve... This is literally hilarious. Your losing a ship to widely known game mechanics, and then needlessly ranting about it on the forums is a bit humorous.
I'm just going to report this thread as a rant. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.11.19 22:38:18 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:The fact so many of you people actually defend the position of this being an "intended feature" is beyond moronic. There are very few things that are documented when it comes to how mechanics are suppossed to be. The mechanic in question is clearly documented as not an exploit. So who is the moron?
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.11.19 22:38:56 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:What you perceive as "tears" is actually just disappointment.
The fact so many of you people actually defend the position of this being an "intended feature" is beyond moronic. Who's defended it?
Everyone has just stated facts. It's not an exploit.
Why or why not from my view is kind of irrelevant, since my opinion means nothing more than anyone else's.
Doesn't change the facts though.
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Terminal Insanity
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Posted - 2015.11.19 22:39:41 -
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Austneal wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:Austneal wrote:It's not an exploit. It's a deliberate game mechanic.
Also comparing TF2 and Battlefield to Eve... This is literally hilarious. Your losing a ship to widely known game mechanics, and then needlessly ranting about it on the forums is a bit humorous.
*broken game mechanic
yes, i lost my ship to a *broken* game mechanic. If this is an intended mechanic, then what is the lore reason for it? is there a reason why my ship sensors are limited to 60km today and not yesterday?
Why would dropping a jetcan near the edge my my ship's sensor range suddenly increase my ship's sensor range? Why can another player slowly shrink my ship's sensor range by dropping jetcans? What does Emperess Jamyl have to say about this? Isnt the Amarrian army concerned with the ability of capsuleers to manipulate their ship's sensors with jetcans?
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.11.19 22:41:54 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote: What does Emperess Jamyl have to say about this? Probably not much. She's dead.
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Austneal
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Posted - 2015.11.19 22:42:31 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:Austneal wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:Austneal wrote:It's not an exploit. It's a deliberate game mechanic.
Also comparing TF2 and Battlefield to Eve... This is literally hilarious. Your losing a ship to widely known game mechanics, and then needlessly ranting about it on the forums is a bit humorous. *broken game mechanic yes, i lost my ship to a *broken* game mechanic. If this is an intended mechanic, then what is the lore reason for it? is there a reason why my ship sensors are limited to 60km today and not yesterday? Why would dropping a jetcan near the edge my my ship's sensor range suddenly increase my ship's sensor range? Why can another player slowly shrink my ship's sensor range by dropping jetcans? What does Emperess Jamyl have to say about this? Isnt the Amarrian army concerned with the ability of capsuleers to manipulate their ship's sensors with jetcans? How can I fly into a planet and not explode? How can I ram into a station at 3km/s and not explode? Because it's a video game with certain mechanics programmed in.
Also, one person losing a ship once because he didn't check d-scan and / or wasn't aligned doesn't make a mechanic broken.
I have a feeling you're taking this a bit too seriously. You might want to take a short break and then come back after you've cooled off a bit. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.11.19 22:43:14 -
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Heh, since you can't argue it's not an exploit any more you start going all RPtard.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Terminal Insanity
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Posted - 2015.11.19 22:43:36 -
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I think its more of a case of Stockholm Syndrome or something.
So i play this other game, Heroes&Generals. Sometimes assholes will glitch their way into a wall, so you cant see them or shoot them, but they can see and shoot you. All their developers need to do is create a list of "non-exploits" and label this a non-exploit, and everyone should just be happy and ignore it, right?
"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
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Austneal
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Posted - 2015.11.19 22:45:39 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:I think its more of a case of Stockholm Syndrome or something.
So i play this other game, Heroes&Generals. Sometimes assholes will glitch their way into a wall, so you cant see them or shoot them, but they can see and shoot you. All their developers need to do is create a list of "non-exploits" and label this a non-exploit, and everyone should just be happy and ignore it, right?
You're failing to realize the difference between a bug, and an intentional feature. The devs didn't just grunt really hard and pop out a video game... they sat down, planned it out, and intentionally put this into the game. |
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