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Red Khalmer
Minmatar Secret Service Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2015.11.21 13:48:18 -
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***STATE OF ALERT - WARZONE RISKANALYSIS*** ***SECURED TRANSMISSION UPLINK***
Hello Capsuleers. This comes as a security message for all people in following regions. The Bleak Lands Heimatar Devoid Sinq laison Metropolis
The Minmatar-Amarr Warzone has been under heavy fighting as of late as we the matari are pushing out the slavers system by system. But during this time we in the Secret service has noticed drastic changes just over the last month's in the Amarr militia.
We have now been able to spot multiple Blood Raider ships and Blood raider skins inside fleets we encounter against the Amarr. Their terminology has also changed. They no longer use the "Amarr Victor" to the extent they used before and we have noted some even saying "BLOOD FOR THE RED GOD" in local system communications. The majority of ones we have been able to identify flying these ships have been apart of the Alliance "Habitual Chaos". Those are also the main battleforce of the 24th with most often being half of the active slaver fleets.
On further looking at the people inside their Alliance we see that "Amarrian Battlemonks" is apart of the corporation lineup. Which we have identified them (along with others) to be an active Blood Raider entity. This whole ordeal was left unconfirmed until we got intel that some of the people in Habitual Chaos are indeed supporters of the blood cult. What we are suprised over is how fast the conversion over to the red faith has been. We can only speculate on what is the cause but from what it seems is that the influence of Edeity and his kin has converted some Amarrians into the red faith.
We now estimates that percentages to 15% up all the way up to 50% of the active Amarrian Pilots in the warzone are either Blood Raider supporters or active Blood Raiders. This does not bode well for those captured by Amarrian ships out in the warzone and I recommend if you are captured to fight to the last man rather than surrender to the slavers. As shackles might not be the only thing that can happen to those that do get captured. |
Foley Aberas Jones
Huogikku Corporation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
587
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Posted - 2015.11.21 13:53:17 -
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Dis gon be gud
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Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
556
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Posted - 2015.11.21 14:50:17 -
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The Golden Age, the age of the Amarr Empire, is coming to an end. A new Blood Age is beginning. This Habitual Chaos alliance is doubtless the vanguard of a new wave of Amarr-Blood Raider religious syncretism, syncretism that will culminate in the rise of a new Amarr Blood Raider-Empire Covenant before which all the cluster will be brought to heel.
May it come soon. Lead us to glory and victory, Habitual Chaos. Amen. Amarr Victor. |
Deitra Vess
Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute
767
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Posted - 2015.11.21 15:04:13 -
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If they were captured by proper Amarr combatants they would be more than likely enslaved. Which is worse? A life of servitude or death? I'm not saying death by Sani Sabik is a worthy death, I'm more so saying fighting to the last man should be a given no matter who the 24IC can scrape together.
If you don't mind me asking what's ROMSS' stance on groups such as Sanguis Inceptum, a Sani Sabik aligned corporation led by Kalo Askold, currently enlisted in the Matari Militia? While I can't say I don't know their corporation's inner workings I will say I have flown in combat numerous times and can attest to their loyalty to our cause. |
Deitra Vess
Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute
767
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Posted - 2015.11.21 15:05:34 -
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Nauplius wrote:The Golden Age, the age of the Amarr Empire, is coming to an end. A new Blood Age is beginning. This Habitual Chaos alliance is doubtless the vanguard of a new wave of Amarr-Blood Raider religious syncretism, syncretism that will culminate in the rise of a new Amarr Blood Raider-Empire Covenant before which all the cluster will be brought to heel. May it come soon. Lead us to glory and victory, Habitual Chaos. Amen. Amarr Victor. Haven't they shot at you along with PIE? |
Tamiroth
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
148
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Posted - 2015.11.21 18:36:55 -
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Nauplius wrote:The Golden Age, the age of the Amarr Empire, is coming to an end. A new Blood Age is beginning. This Habitual Chaos alliance is doubtless the vanguard of a new wave of Amarr-Blood Raider religious syncretism, syncretism that will culminate in the rise of a new Amarr Blood Raider-Empire Covenant before which all the cluster will be brought to heel. The rumors are that CONCORD has finally revoked Funk's capsuleer license for the untold numbers of crimes she committed.
Beware, Nauplius, instead of the coming of a "Blood Age", you may as well be the next in line.
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Mitara Newelle
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
273
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Posted - 2015.11.21 18:45:37 -
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You would do the cluster a favor by naming the heretics and listing their offenses. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1639
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Posted - 2015.11.21 19:49:26 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:If they were captured by proper Amarr combatants they would be more than likely enslaved. Which is worse? A life of servitude or death?
You can escape or be rescued from one of those.
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Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
556
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Posted - 2015.11.21 21:28:08 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Nauplius wrote:The Golden Age, the age of the Amarr Empire, is coming to an end. A new Blood Age is beginning. This Habitual Chaos alliance is doubtless the vanguard of a new wave of Amarr-Blood Raider religious syncretism, syncretism that will culminate in the rise of a new Amarr Blood Raider-Empire Covenant before which all the cluster will be brought to heel. May it come soon. Lead us to glory and victory, Habitual Chaos. Amen. Amarr Victor. Haven't they shot at you along with PIE?
The turning of the Age from the Golden Age to the Blood Age is a process not yet complete. In these confusing times, loyalties are in transition. |
Deitra Vess
Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute
767
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Posted - 2015.11.21 21:36:43 -
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Nauplius wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Nauplius wrote:The Golden Age, the age of the Amarr Empire, is coming to an end. A new Blood Age is beginning. This Habitual Chaos alliance is doubtless the vanguard of a new wave of Amarr-Blood Raider religious syncretism, syncretism that will culminate in the rise of a new Amarr Blood Raider-Empire Covenant before which all the cluster will be brought to heel. May it come soon. Lead us to glory and victory, Habitual Chaos. Amen. Amarr Victor. Haven't they shot at you along with PIE? The turning of the Age from the Golden Age to the Blood Age is a process not yet complete. In these confusing times, loyalties are in transition. Hmm.... Ya I guess that makes sense. |
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Deitra Vess
Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute
767
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Posted - 2015.11.21 21:38:02 -
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Arrendis wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:If they were captured by proper Amarr combatants they would be more than likely enslaved. Which is worse? A life of servitude or death? You can escape or be rescued from one of those. Escaping from Sani Sabik combatants is possible too. Both however are unlikely.... |
Red Khalmer
Minmatar Secret Service Ushra'Khan
59
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Posted - 2015.11.21 23:24:20 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:If they were captured by proper Amarr combatants they would be more than likely enslaved. Which is worse? A life of servitude or death? I'm not saying death by Sani Sabik is a worthy death, I'm more so saying fighting to the last man should be a given no matter who the 24IC can scrape together.
If you don't mind me asking what's ROMSS' stance on groups such as Sanguis Inceptum, a Sani Sabik aligned corporation led by Kalo Askold, currently enlisted in the Matari Militia? While I can't say I don't know their corporation's inner workings I will say I have flown in combat numerous times and can attest to their loyalty to our cause.
I agree and I would rather fight to my last breath than be captured by the 24IC. But not all matari are capsuleers, and not all the matari has the same resolve as you and I have.
We are well aware of Sanguis Inceptum and the Sani Sabik. They are less than >1% of the active pilots and have no real impact on the Tribal liberation force or our operations. From what we have seen they are passive in their faith and our kin are left unaffected by their presence. These people have also not grown in numbers for the past year. In their current form they pose no major threat to the Minmatar people or the TLF.
If necessary actions should ever be made against the Sani Sabik. Those discussions will be in private conversations and not here on IGS. |
Deitra Vess
Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute
767
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Posted - 2015.11.21 23:35:48 -
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Red Khalmer wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:If they were captured by proper Amarr combatants they would be more than likely enslaved. Which is worse? A life of servitude or death? I'm not saying death by Sani Sabik is a worthy death, I'm more so saying fighting to the last man should be a given no matter who the 24IC can scrape together.
If you don't mind me asking what's ROMSS' stance on groups such as Sanguis Inceptum, a Sani Sabik aligned corporation led by Kalo Askold, currently enlisted in the Matari Militia? While I can't say I don't know their corporation's inner workings I will say I have flown in combat numerous times and can attest to their loyalty to our cause. I agree and I would rather fight to my last breath than be captured by the 24IC. But not all matari are capsuleers, and not all the matari has the same resolve as you and I have. We are well aware of Sanguis Inceptum and the Sani Sabik. They are less than >1% of the active pilots and have no real impact on the Tribal liberation force or our operations. From what we have seen they are passive in their faith and our kin are left unaffected by their presence. These people have also not grown in numbers for the past year. In their current form they pose no major threat to the Minmatar people or the TLF. If necessary actions should ever be made against the Sani Sabik. Those discussions will be in private conversations and not here on IGS. I'm glad to hear they aren't getting any real negativity thrown at them. Like I said before, religious zealotry aside they do seem to fight for us instead of just for the blooders.
Matari Victor! |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1105
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Posted - 2015.11.22 09:04:49 -
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Long, cryptic post littered with Scripture quotes, that demonstrates why the Minmatar are Wrong, the 24 IC are Wrong, and the importance of distinguishing between Covenant and non-Covenant ships.
Short, humorous addendum, something something, Blood Raiders didn't seem to bother the Minmatar before, when they attacked Imperial planets, and the Republic made an alliance offer to them in return for Insorum, something something.
It's not like you people would have read it anyway.
SO THERE !
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2232
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Posted - 2015.11.22 12:29:37 -
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And I see Minmatar rhetoric hasn't changed.
Instead of attacking real slavers - Sansha Nation, who enslave to kill and turn into flesh puppets anyone they encounter, the Tribals attack peaceful Empire citizens, who enslave only criminals and prisoners of war.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1639
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Posted - 2015.11.22 13:59:51 -
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Diana Kim wrote:And I see Minmatar rhetoric hasn't changed.
Instead of attacking real slavers - Sansha Nation, who enslave to kill and turn into flesh puppets anyone they encounter, the Tribals attack peaceful Empire citizens, who enslave only criminals and prisoners of war.
And the innocent children of any slave, no matter how many generations back you have to go to find those 'criminals and prisoners of war'. |
Darkon Gatland
The Ashen Lion Syndicate
22
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Posted - 2015.11.22 14:57:57 -
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The Blood Raiders are heretics, their filth will be wiped away from our Empire. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2234
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Posted - 2015.11.22 15:22:24 -
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Arrendis wrote:Diana Kim wrote:And I see Minmatar rhetoric hasn't changed.
Instead of attacking real slavers - Sansha Nation, who enslave to kill and turn into flesh puppets anyone they encounter, the Tribals attack peaceful Empire citizens, who enslave only criminals and prisoners of war. And the innocent children of any slave, no matter how many generations back you have to go to find those 'criminals and prisoners of war'. Arrendis, you are really breaking all limits of stupidity. They were BORN slaves, not enslaved.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1641
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Posted - 2015.11.22 16:04:02 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Arrendis wrote:Diana Kim wrote:And I see Minmatar rhetoric hasn't changed.
Instead of attacking real slavers - Sansha Nation, who enslave to kill and turn into flesh puppets anyone they encounter, the Tribals attack peaceful Empire citizens, who enslave only criminals and prisoners of war. And the innocent children of any slave, no matter how many generations back you have to go to find those 'criminals and prisoners of war'. Arrendis, you are really breaking all limits of stupidity. They were BORN slaves, not enslaved.
No-one is born a slave. They are enslaved when the paperwork is processed. |
Cain Aloga
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc The 11th Hour Alliance
153
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Posted - 2015.11.22 16:06:32 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Arrendis wrote:Diana Kim wrote:And I see Minmatar rhetoric hasn't changed.
Instead of attacking real slavers - Sansha Nation, who enslave to kill and turn into flesh puppets anyone they encounter, the Tribals attack peaceful Empire citizens, who enslave only criminals and prisoners of war. And the innocent children of any slave, no matter how many generations back you have to go to find those 'criminals and prisoners of war'. Arrendis, you are really breaking all limits of stupidity. They were BORN slaves, not enslaved.
What will you do Miss Kim, when they come to enslave you?
While our warriors fight for our people's freedom, we in turn should fight for our people's prosperity.
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Deitra Vess
Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute
768
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Posted - 2015.11.22 16:14:51 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:Long, cryptic post littered with Scripture quotes, that demonstrates why the Minmatar are Wrong, the 24 IC are Wrong, and the importance of distinguishing between Covenant and non-Covenant ships.
Short, humorous addendum, something something, Blood Raiders didn't seem to bother the Minmatar before, when they attacked Imperial planets, and the Republic made an alliance offer to them in return for Insorum, something something.
It's not like you people would have read it anyway.
SO THERE ! Would it be bad if I said minus the annoying scripture quotes I would kinda like to read that? What can I say, I like hearing the "other sides" opinions. Perspective and all that.... |
Deitra Vess
Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute
768
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Posted - 2015.11.22 16:45:43 -
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Diana Kim wrote:And I see Minmatar rhetoric hasn't changed.
Instead of attacking real slavers - Sansha Nation, who enslave to kill and turn into flesh puppets anyone they encounter, the Tribals attack peaceful Empire citizens, who enslave only criminals and prisoners of war. And I see Kim's irrelevant opinion about Matari and/or Amarrian affairs still hasn't changed
Instead of seeing the glass for what it is, sees the world as part of it. It's not like we haven't joined forces against the "real enslavers" with our former enslavers before. DON'T BE SILLY!!!
Cain Aloga wrote: What will you do Miss Kim, when they come to enslave you? Or will you willing convert and forsake you allegiance to the Caldari, for ultimately that is your allies goal.
Spin it into "a brave fight in the caldari spirit" "Being adaptable to any situation is the mark of a true caldari," "Heth would approve of it," or "It would improve Caldari/Amarr relations if we all shared a religion." She would have some brave sounding spin on it to cover up their mistake in trusting the reclaiming empire.
Deitra Vess's Message to the Amarr Empire wrote: PLEASE Amarr!!! Not the rest of the caldari but just enslave Diana Kim!!!!!!! Please?? I'll convert myself peacefully for the greater good of all the Cluster if you just enslave her and stick her on a mining colony in the middle of nowhere. With or without: Vitoxin, Chip, or any other control device you can think of used on her. As long as she has no way to communicate anymore...
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2235
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Posted - 2015.11.22 16:48:32 -
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Cain Aloga wrote: What will you do Miss Kim, when they come to enslave you? Or will you willing convert and forsake you allegiance to the Caldari, for ultimately that is your allies goal.
How dare you assume me, a Caldari Officer, would be a criminal or would be fighting against our allies?! Your insolence is appaling and beyond any civility standards.
Shame on you.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5792
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Posted - 2015.11.22 19:14:20 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Cain Aloga wrote: What will you do Miss Kim, when they come to enslave you? Or will you willing convert and forsake you allegiance to the Caldari, for ultimately that is your allies goal.
How dare you assume me, a Caldari Officer, would be a criminal or would be fighting against our allies?! Your insolence is appaling and beyond any civility standards. Shame on you.
The man asked you what you would do if the Amarrians expanded the active part of the 24th Imperial Crusade to include Caldari space, Commander Kim. He asked what you would do if they started reclaiming Caldari citizens by force, instead of through soft power, as they do now.
I'd like to hear your answer to that question, too. It shouldn't be a difficult question to answer.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2235
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Posted - 2015.11.22 19:56:38 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote: The man asked you what you would do if the Amarrians expanded the active part of the 24th Imperial Crusade to include Caldari space, Commander Kim. He asked what you would do if they started reclaiming Caldari citizens by force, instead of through soft power, as they do now.
I'd like to hear your answer to that question, too. It shouldn't be a difficult question to answer.
They would get none.
We aren't weak minmatars, honorable Caldari prefers death to coward surrender to enemy to serve them as slaves. Have you noticed that between all four major nations only Caldari hasn't participated in slave relations?
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Goldfinch
Order of Jamyl
572
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Posted - 2015.11.22 23:37:04 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:The man asked you what you would do if the Amarrians expanded the active part of the 24th Imperial Crusade to include Caldari space, Commander Kim. He asked what you would do if they started reclaiming Caldari citizens by force, instead of through soft power, as they do now.
I'd like to hear your answer to that question, too. It shouldn't be a difficult question to answer.
We find it surprising that a true-to-form soldier such as yourself would resort to baseless speculation. Why, tell us more about the assumptions you'd like to make about Amarr today based on stories you've read in the history books.
Officer Kim respects her allies enough not to fall into that trap.
As for "soft power", if a man chooses to surrender to God of his own will that act should be taken in perspective. Amarr Holderships change their practices to profit from Caldari Corporate efficiencies. The Amarr adopt your clothing, consume your television shows, and drink your sodas. There is no nefarious game of "soft power" afoot. Two cultures joined together as allies do as friends do. They adopt each other's ways and at the same time they fight to keep their uniqueness and individuality.
It seems like a shame you have to paint this cultural exchange as a Caldari net loss or an Amarr net gain.
\J/
veiled and bound
my origin story (on eve-backstage)
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Cain Aloga
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc The 11th Hour Alliance
153
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Posted - 2015.11.23 01:58:14 -
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Goldfinch wrote: We find it surprising that a true-to-form soldier such as yourself would resort to baseless speculation. Why, tell us more about the assumptions you'd like to make about Amarr today based on stories you've read in the history books.
Officer Kim respects her allies enough not to fall into that trap.
As for "soft power", if a man chooses to surrender to God of his own will that act should be taken in perspective. Amarr Holderships change their practices to profit from Caldari Corporate efficiencies. The Amarr adopt your clothing, consume your television shows, and drink your sodas. There is no nefarious game of "soft power" afoot. Two cultures joined together as allies do as friends do. They adopt each other's ways and at the same time they fight to keep their uniqueness and individuality.
It seems like a shame you have to paint this cultural exchange as a Caldari net loss or an Amarr net gain.
Is the reclamation not a central tenant of your Faith? Were you not commanded by your god to bring all peoples to his faith? While the method of the reclamation may evolve over time and be subject to debate, The Amarr Empire has always held the reclamation as one its goals.
While our warriors fight for our people's freedom, we in turn should fight for our people's prosperity.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5797
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Posted - 2015.11.23 03:15:30 -
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Goldfinch wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:The man asked you what you would do if the Amarrians expanded the active part of the 24th Imperial Crusade to include Caldari space, Commander Kim. He asked what you would do if they started reclaiming Caldari citizens by force, instead of through soft power, as they do now.
I'd like to hear your answer to that question, too. It shouldn't be a difficult question to answer. We find it surprising that a true-to-form soldier such as yourself would resort to baseless speculation. Why, tell us more about the assumptions you'd like to make about Amarr today based on stories you've read in the history books. Officer Kim respects her allies enough not to fall into that trap.
It is axiomatic that a soldier should be polite, should be punctual and should have a plan to kill everyone he meets. Just because I believe that it is highly unlikely that the Empire will turn on the State any time soon, that doesn't mean that I believe it is impossible that they ever should do so. Commander Kim-haani and I are similar in that we have both served for lengthy periods on the Amarr warfront - I hope you would not weigh my desire to defend my home over concrete actions taken in the defence of your Empire?
Goldfinch wrote:As for "soft power", if a man chooses to surrender to God of his own will that act should be taken in perspective. Amarr Holderships change their practices to profit from Caldari Corporate efficiencies. The Amarr adopt your clothing, consume your television shows, and drink your sodas. There is no nefarious game of "soft power" afoot. Two cultures joined together as allies do as friends do. They adopt each other's ways and at the same time they fight to keep their uniqueness and individuality.
It seems like a shame you have to paint this cultural exchange as a Caldari net loss or an Amarr net gain.
You must excuse me, ma'am, but I have Amarrian friends and colleagues and I know that the Empire has the goal of converting all of humanity to their Faith. That goal is fundamentally and intrinsically apposite to The State's goal of protecting it's culture and remaining independent. If a Caldari citizen is convinced to surrender to God of his own will then that act is due to "soft power" and I do not hold the Empire in any way culpable for it - that is taking the act in the proper perspective. If the Empire were to invade, imprison and enslave Caldari and subject them to forced conversion through generational slavery then this would be through "hard power" and it would invoke a very dissimilar response.
Please understand, however, that just because I term the peaceful route as "soft power" it doesn't mean that I view it as a nefarious game. It is your faith. It is your culture. It is you being authentically you, so as to speak, and I do not hold your culture or your faith against you. In fact, should you convert the Caldari to your faith through that route, I would say that you simply came out best in the Marketplace of Ideas.
I was interested merely in Commander Kim's reaction and only because she seemed to misunderstand the question. She has now answered - that she would fight to the death. As would I. As would many, many Caldari.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Cain Aloga
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc The 11th Hour Alliance
154
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Posted - 2015.11.23 03:19:50 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
In fact, should you convert the Caldari to your faith through that route, I would say that you simply came out best in the Marketplace of Ideas.
This is perhaps, the most Caldari thing I have ever heard.
While our warriors fight for our people's freedom, we in turn should fight for our people's prosperity.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2235
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Posted - 2015.11.23 03:51:24 -
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Also, I would like to point out that questions like that are insinuations against honor of our allies, Amarr Empire. Unlike dishonorable Minmatar Republic and Gallente Federation, who were known to backstab multiple of times, the Amarr Empire is honorable ally, and discussing possibilities of their attack on us is an insult to their honor, as well as dishonoring those, who make such insinuations, since they are made on the basis of pure imagination and not facts, that would affect honor of our allies.
Asking questions like that is unbecoming to an honorable officer.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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