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Arista Erashaddon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.22 18:51:41 -
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Hullo
I just got started in the game and I've been doing the career missions for starters. I just finished them and went about earning some cash with mining and other noob business.
While flying through space I came upon someone with a red skull Icon. He just got destroyed by Concord I assume and was left in his tiny pod to the vastness of space. Overeager like the noob I am I figured I would finish Concord's job and blew him up....
I didn't really notice anything since he must have been an outlaw or something so i didn't get any apparent penalty or anything.
Until I came back to my Station owned by "Center for Advanced Studies" Faction. Now they loathe me with a -2.6 Standing for the Pod Kill. :(
Ok. Lesson learned.
The problem is it seems I will never be able to recover from that. I'm finished with all the career missions, the only other agents in that Faction seem to be Distribution ones, something I don't really fancy, and even the level 1 Agents are refusing to talk to me due to the hate. :( So is it impossible for me to ever get a nice standing with them again? I would have relly liked staying in their Systems for a while since the Standing-Bonus made it possible for me to reprocess stuff with profit and the system (Clellinon) offers a lot of nice centralised shopping opportunities for newbies.
Any tips on how to get out of this situation?
Thanks in Advance!
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Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
485
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Posted - 2015.11.22 19:04:57 -
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Get the skill Diplomacy and train it to level 3 or 4. You'll get a 4% boost per level in standings for factions that you have a negative reputation with. Level 3 should put you at or close to 0.0 modified standings, while level 4 should put you a little bit over.
Edit :: If you plan on doing a lot of missions, getting Diplomacy to 4 is a solid investment of your time. You'll eventually end up on a faction or corp's bad side, and Diplomacy helps to soften that blow greatly. Additionally, having a look at the skills in the Social tree would be a huge boon, as well, both for increasing your standings faster (Social, Fast Talk, Connections), getting better rewards (Negotionation, Job-Connections), and keeping yourself out of hot water with others (Diplomacy).
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
953
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Posted - 2015.11.22 19:32:51 -
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DMC will be by with his faction repair plan soon enough. For now I'll just say that you only need to be above -2 with them to be able to mission again.
I could have sworn that you can always do level 1 missions regardless of standing and that you needed to be above -2 for anything higher level but admittedly it's been years since I have missioned. |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
953
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Posted - 2015.11.22 19:43:12 -
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I am hoping that some of our black hat pirate types point out to you the many was that ignoring your standing can be a vaild and profitable playstyle choice as well.
A few more tips. You can always mission with someone else and have them share the benefits.
Also if you can mission for a faction that shares benefits that can help as well. So for caldari that could be Amarr or Mordu's Legion, for example. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2015.11.22 21:02:36 -
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Arista Erashaddon wrote:Until I came back to my Station owned by "Center for Advanced Studies" Faction. Now they loathe me with a -2.6 Standing for the Pod Kill. :(
Ok. Lesson learned. * There is no standing loss for podding valid targets. * You wouldn't lose standing for a non-legal target, rather you would lose security level. * If your safety was default green, you couldn't have destroyed a non-legal target. * Center for Advanced Studies is a corporation, not a faction. They are part of the Gallente faction.
Wild guess: you failed a mission, possibly by letting it expire (one week), or you declined a mission twice from the same agent within 4 hours (note that this affects agent standing).
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6174879#post6174879 |
Arista Erashaddon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.22 21:19:02 -
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Thanks for all the quick answers! I'm doing the diplomacy thing now and it's already working nicely. :)
Found the Standings recovery plan on the wiki too, will favourite it for later, it's a bit advanced for me at the moment. =P
Tau Cabalander wrote:[quote=Arista Erashaddon]Until I came back to my Station owned by "Center for Advanced Studies" Faction. Now they loathe me with a -2.6 Standing for the Pod Kill. :( * There is no standing loss for podding valid targets. * You wouldn't lose standing for a non-legal target, rather you would lose security level. * If your safety was default green, you couldn't have destroyed a non-legal target. * Center for Advanced Studies is a corporation, not a faction. They are part of the Gallente faction. Wild guess: you failed a mission, possibly by letting it expire (one week), or you declined a mission twice from the same agent within 4 hours (note that this affects agent standing). https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6174879#post6174879
Oh right, that was a typo, sorry. I fixed it. I did mean the CAS Corporation. =p If it's like you write then I maybe stumbled across a bug? Check out this screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/WthKHjJ.png
As you can see my security status is unchanged at 0.0. I generally fly on green safety right now as I'm exploring the game and don't want to get into too mucht trouble, however I engaged him with my drones so I wasn't 100% shure if the safety mechanism includes them too. Obviously he was valid though, since in 0.9 sec space Concord would have shredded me if it was an innocent dude and I would have gotten that huge security penalty. (-12?)
On the othere side you can clearly see the Pod Kill give me a huge penalty to the Corp. Standing. Interestingly Faction standing seems unaffected as well... So could it be a bug?
Edit: Concerning the overview thing, he was blinking red (skull), so a mean criminal! No regrets! |
Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
2079
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Posted - 2015.11.22 21:23:10 -
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1. lv1 agents should always be available. might be annoying to grind, but should get you back up to a slightly better level rather quickly. 2. CAS standings, do they really even matter? My gut says no 3. podding NPC corp members results in a large standings loss, as you learned. personally I think it is a rather useless mechanic, but it is what it is.
My advice. Move on and ignore that it ever happened. Individual NPC corp standings barely matter.
an interesting way to fix it would be to run missions somewhere near a CAS story line agent so you get CAS storylines. Combat storylines give big faction and even bigger corp standing boosts. Also if you are near one, but don't get the storyline agent you want just don't run the storyline from the agent you don't want and keep running missions eventually the one you want will offer a mission, go run that, and go back to running normal missions and you should keep getting the good storyline after that.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
5536
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Posted - 2015.11.22 21:29:30 -
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Arista Erashaddon wrote:On the othere side you can clearly see the Pod Kill give me a huge penalty to the Corp. Standing. Interestingly Faction standing seems unaffected as well... So could it be a bug? Edit: Concerning the overview thing, he was blinking red (skull), so a mean criminal! No regrets! Ummm.... the thing about EVE is that just when you think you know everything, you are fooling yourself. After over six years, I'm still learning. Of course, I might just be really dumb.
The target was in an NPC-corp, hence the standing loss. If the target was in a player-corp, there would have been no penalty.
i.e. you destroyed a corpmate in an NPC corp |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1704
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Posted - 2015.11.22 22:18:40 -
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FNA hates me too, after so many pod kills ...
Just mission for another nearby corp of the same faction, best to choose one of the trade hub owners, like Fed Navy in my case (Gallente, Dodixie), so you can build standing for less fees. Don't mission for NPC corps that can host player chars. Nevertheless lvl1 and the career agents should be always available.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
2079
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Posted - 2015.11.22 22:22:50 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:FNA hates me too, after so many pod kills ... Just mission for another nearby corp of the same faction, best to choose one of the trade hub owners, like Fed Navy in my case (Gallente, Dodixie), so you can build standing for less fees. Don't mission for NPC corps that can host player chars. Nevertheless lvl1 and the career agents should be always available. yeap, I'm -9.73 to state war academy
Although I think the career agents aren't available because the OP already ran them. AFAIK you can only run them once.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Cara Forelli
Meticulously Indifferent
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Posted - 2015.11.22 23:00:32 -
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Standings with that particular corp (or any other starter corp) hardly matter. You should make every effort to find a good player corp anyway, and never look back (CAS corp chat had some of the worst advice I've ever seen).
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1666
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Posted - 2015.11.22 23:14:41 -
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Also .. there are 12 schools, 3 for each faction and you can run the career missions at any school even an "opposing faction" school.
If your OCD enough you could in fact run all the careers agents at all 12 of the starter schools and get 12 free Destroyers, 12 free Industrial etc from the relevant career agents. I am pretty sure you would get bored of it well before number 12 though. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2015.11.22 23:58:47 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:* There is no standing loss for podding valid targets. . Yes there is. You lose standing for pod killing NPC corp player characters.
It's completely insane, and you shouldn't lose standing for killing them, but you do. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2015.11.23 01:10:53 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:* There is no standing loss for podding valid targets. . Yes there is. You lose standing for pod killing NPC corp player characters. It's completely insane, and you shouldn't lose standing for killing them, but you do. You didn't read the whole thread. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
1907
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Posted - 2015.11.23 10:43:55 -
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Dont worry buttercup, if the highsec mesiahs hate your -2.3, the lowsec pirates will always welcome you with open arms.
#piratelyfe
Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic | Angel Cartel | Serpentis |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
52622
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Posted - 2015.11.24 22:54:18 -
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Arista Erashaddon wrote:Thanks for all the quick answers! I'm doing the diplomacy thing now and it's already working nicely. :) Found the Standings recovery plan on the wiki too, will favourite it for later, it's a bit advanced for me at the moment. =P Tau Cabalander wrote:[quote=Arista Erashaddon]Until I came back to my Station owned by "Center for Advanced Studies" Faction. Now they loathe me with a -2.6 Standing for the Pod Kill. :( * There is no standing loss for podding valid targets. * You wouldn't lose standing for a non-legal target, rather you would lose security level. * If your safety was default green, you couldn't have destroyed a non-legal target. * Center for Advanced Studies is a corporation, not a faction. They are part of the Gallente faction. Wild guess: you failed a mission, possibly by letting it expire (one week), or you declined a mission twice from the same agent within 4 hours (note that this affects agent standing). https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6174879#post6174879 Oh right, that was a typo, sorry. I fixed it. I did mean the CAS Corporation. =p If it's like you write then I maybe stumbled across a bug? Check out this screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/WthKHjJ.pngAs you can see my security status is unchanged at 0.0. I generally fly on green safety right now as I'm exploring the game and don't want to get into too mucht trouble, however I engaged him with my drones so I wasn't 100% shure if the safety mechanism includes them too. Obviously he was valid though, since in 0.9 sec space Concord would have shredded me if it was an innocent dude and I would have gotten that huge security penalty. (-12?) On the othere side you can clearly see the Pod Kill give me a huge penalty to the Corp. Standing. Interestingly Faction standing seems unaffected as well... So could it be a bug? Edit: Concerning the overview thing, he was blinking red (skull), so a mean criminal! No regrets!
Hello and welcome to Eve.
First of all it's not a bug. You pod killed someone in high sec who belonged to the same NPC corp as you, regardless if it was a valid target. As others have stated, train up Diplomacy skill. As soon as the Corp get's above -2.00 standing, you should be able to access their agents once again.
Gaining standing with NPC corps is relatively easy, just complete missions for their agents. Gaining Faction standing is even easier despite what others may say. You mentioned seeing the 'Faction Standing Repair Plan' which not only repairs negative Faction standing, it can also boost positive Faction standing as well. All of the Event Agents listed in 'The Plan' give Faction standing increase for completing their missions.
Just remember Faction standing over-rides Corporation standing which over-rides Agent standing. In other words - high Faction standing allows access to all agents in all corps within that specific Faction.
Anyway, if Faction standing drops to -2.00 or lower, only level 1 Agents within that Faction can be accessed. If Corporation standing drops to -2.00 or lower, no agent within that corp can be accessed. If agent standing drops to -2.00 or lower, no access with that agent. Best to keep them all above -2.00 standing for ease of access.
Hopefully you now have a better understanding of how standings work in this game. Good luck to you and may you have a long and rewarding career here in Eve.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
52622
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Posted - 2015.11.24 23:12:16 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:DMC will be by with his faction repair plan soon enough. For now I'll just say that you only need to be above -2 with them to be able to mission again. Please feel free to link 'The Plan' whenever needed.
And yes, once the Corporation standing get's above -2.00 standing, the agents within that corp will be available once again.
ergherhdfgh wrote:I could have sworn that you can always do level 1 missions regardless of standing and that you needed to be above -2 for anything higher level but admittedly it's been years since I have missioned. That pertains to Faction standing and accessing agents.
If the Faction standing is above -2.00 standing, all agents within that specific Faction can be accessed with the appropriate amount of positive Corp standing.
If the Faction standing is -2.00 to -4.99 standing, only level 1 agents can be accessed as long as the Corp and agent standing is above -2.00 standing.
If the Faction standing drops to -5.00 or lower standing, no agents within that specific Faction can be accessed.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Bastion Arzi
Angry Mustellid Decayed Orbit
300
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Posted - 2015.11.25 13:18:47 -
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i like ur attitude op (sees target, shoots target) , nice kill for a newbro lol |
Kurja Nikuvo
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.11.26 13:11:46 -
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Arista Erashaddon wrote:I would have gotten that huge security penalty. (-12?) It only goes to -10 IIRC. |
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