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Steini OFSI
The Collective Collective Company
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Posted - 2015.11.28 00:21:33 -
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The idea is that each kill has a replay function where the watcher can have full camera control through the duration of the fight (available after each dt?).
More cool player videos, more satisfaction of watching the kill in action motion rather than max out zoom with the menus and boxes. |
Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2015.11.28 03:30:08 -
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No.
For the same reasons given every other time this has been suggested.
Search feature is your friend. Just searching the word "replay" provided the following relevant topics on thenfirst page:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6176893 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5917468 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5778818
Reported for redundancy.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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Sepheir Sepheron
Between Ordeals
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Posted - 2015.11.28 06:19:16 -
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I would really like a replay function. Would allow me to actually capture fights without actually losing fighting performance due to inefficient camera angles and such.
I saw only one post in all three of those links that objected to the idea.. Also you're one rude jackass. |
Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2015.11.28 07:40:41 -
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Sepheir Sepheron wrote:I would really like a replay function. Would allow me to actually capture fights without actually losing fighting performance due to inefficient camera angles and such. I saw only one post in all three of those links that objected to the idea.. So you didn't bother performing your own search and reading the comments in thos other relevant threads. I only linked the three relevant threads on the first page of the search results.
Since you're either unwilling, or incapable, of performing a modicum of research, let me sum up the most prevalent reason usually given in threads like this as to why this is a bad idea. I, and several others that have said no to this the many, many times it has been suggested, would much rather see CCP spend the money we give them on maintaining and upgrading the game, not dumping buckets of cash into the data storage infrastructure needed to record every single kill of every single battle from all possible angles.
Edit: Additionally, when CCP released some details about their graphics engine used to make trailers like "This is EvE," they made a comment about how it takes about a year of training to be able to turn the raw data of EvE into something viewable. Also, I'm pretty sure the data that would be required to be able to create those replays you want so much is quite proprietary, and not likely to be released any time soon.
Sepheir Sepheron wrote:Also you're one rude jackass. You would likely be quite dismayed to find out how little your opinion of me matters.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2015.11.28 07:47:49 -
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No
Akrasjel Lanate
Member of Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Citizen of Solitude
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ApolloF117 HUN
Angels and Demons Inc. Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2015.11.28 08:14:34 -
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do it what i did, buy nvidia GTX 650 card or higher use nvidia shadow play turn it on it can save the past 20m without any problem in good quality git gud player videos profit |
elitatwo
Eve Minions The-Company
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Posted - 2015.11.28 08:43:07 -
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fraps it.
Eve Minions is recruiting. Learn from about pvp, learn about ships and how to fly them correctly. Small gang and solo action in high, low and nullsec and w-space alike.
We will teach you everything you need and want to know.
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O2 jayjay
DERP'S R US
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Posted - 2015.11.28 11:04:56 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Sepheir Sepheron wrote:I would really like a replay function. Would allow me to actually capture fights without actually losing fighting performance due to inefficient camera angles and such. I saw only one post in all three of those links that objected to the idea.. So you didn't bother performing your own search and reading the comments in thos other relevant threads. I only linked the three relevant threads on the first page of the search results. Since you're either unwilling, or incapable, of performing a modicum of research, let me sum up the most prevalent reason usually given in threads like this as to why this is a bad idea. I, and several others that have said no to this the many, many times it has been suggested, would much rather see CCP spend the money we give them on maintaining and upgrading the game, not dumping buckets of cash into the data storage infrastructure needed to record every single kill of every single battle from all possible angles. Edit: Additionally, when CCP released some details about their graphics engine used to make trailers like "This is EvE," they made a comment about how it takes about a year of training to be able to turn the raw data of EvE into something viewable. Also, I'm pretty sure the data that would be required to be able to create those replays you want so much is quite proprietary, and not likely to be released any time soon. Sepheir Sepheron wrote:Also you're one rude jackass. You would likely be quite dismayed to find out how little your opinion of me matters.
Funny i thought they had different departments that worked on different parts of the game. Wouldn't this fall into the graphic department? Last I check the graphic department doesnt control ships balance/nerfing (which is what im assuming what you're referring to by your vage comment of "maintaing and upgrade"). So technically he can ask this question and since you don't work for CCP or have any roles directed my CCP then it's who of you to kindly STFU sir/ma'am. :)
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Sepheir Sepheron
Between Ordeals
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Posted - 2015.11.28 11:42:21 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Sepheir Sepheron wrote:I would really like a replay function. Would allow me to actually capture fights without actually losing fighting performance due to inefficient camera angles and such. I saw only one post in all three of those links that objected to the idea.. So you didn't bother performing your own search and reading the comments in thos other relevant threads. I only linked the three relevant threads on the first page of the search results. Since you're either unwilling, or incapable, of performing a modicum of research, let me sum up the most prevalent reason usually given in threads like this as to why this is a bad idea. I, and several others that have said no to this the many, many times it has been suggested, would much rather see CCP spend the money we give them on maintaining and upgrading the game, not dumping buckets of cash into the data storage infrastructure needed to record every single kill of every single battle from all possible angles. Edit: Additionally, when CCP released some details about their graphics engine used to make trailers like "This is EvE," they made a comment about how it takes about a year of training to be able to turn the raw data of EvE into something viewable. Also, I'm pretty sure the data that would be required to be able to create those replays you want so much is quite proprietary, and not likely to be released any time soon. Sepheir Sepheron wrote:Also you're one rude jackass. You would likely be quite dismayed to find out how little your opinion of me matters.
Well if you really didn't care I don't think you would have replied. Also, your reason for 'no' is arbitrary.
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Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
369
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Posted - 2015.11.28 12:59:32 -
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what's wrong with buying your own recording software?
For posting an idea into F&I:
come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it.....
If your idea can be abused, it [u]WILL[/u] be.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.11.28 14:56:45 -
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ewww fraps
Better the Devil you know.
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Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
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Posted - 2015.11.28 15:18:44 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote: *frap frap frap*
For posting an idea into F&I:
come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it.....
If your idea can be abused, it [u]WILL[/u] be.
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
659
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Posted - 2015.11.28 15:37:18 -
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-1 because there are far to many other projects that CCP needs to work on, things that are important to the actual game play.
-1 because I would NEVER use this feature so why do I have to wait additional time at every patch to download something I will never use. Yes, yes I know you would use the same old tired comeback of this would not add that much code so your argument is not relevant. And my answer is that may be true until you add your "I want this feature because cool" to the 20 or so other "I want this because cool" features that are hanging around here and all of a sudden it does become a huge problem for players like me.
When CCP has completed the entire list of things in game that need attention, and given that it would be available ONLY as a separate download for those who want it I would say why not.
O2 jayjay wrote: Funny i thought they had different departments that worked on different parts of the game. Wouldn't this fall into the graphic department? Last I check the graphic department doesnt control ships balance/nerfing (which is what im assuming what you're referring to by your vage comment of "maintaing and upgrade"). So technically he can ask this question and since you don't work for CCP or have any roles directed my CCP then it's who of you to kindly STFU sir/ma'am. :) If and please note that I say IF CCP works along the same lines as the major computer game corp that my god son works for you would be dead wrong. He works in their "graphics" department, it is their responsibility to take artists renderings and convert them into 3d computer models and work out all the details like shading, how to most efficently create the model within the games 3d engine etc. Then after testing, tweaking and final approval their work on the 3d computer models is converted to a series mathematical models and sent to the "game coding team". It is the game coding team that actually integrates these models into the code and makes them function properly with all of the other things in the game. So even IF the preliminary work is done by a separate graphics team it would still have to go through the same core group of coders and therefore it would slow down progress on other things that are more important to the rest of us, things that are actually important to game play. |
Iain Cariaba
2065
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Posted - 2015.11.28 18:09:15 -
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Sepheir Sepheron wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote:Sepheir Sepheron wrote:I would really like a replay function. Would allow me to actually capture fights without actually losing fighting performance due to inefficient camera angles and such. I saw only one post in all three of those links that objected to the idea.. So you didn't bother performing your own search and reading the comments in thos other relevant threads. I only linked the three relevant threads on the first page of the search results. Since you're either unwilling, or incapable, of performing a modicum of research, let me sum up the most prevalent reason usually given in threads like this as to why this is a bad idea. I, and several others that have said no to this the many, many times it has been suggested, would much rather see CCP spend the money we give them on maintaining and upgrading the game, not dumping buckets of cash into the data storage infrastructure needed to record every single kill of every single battle from all possible angles. Edit: Additionally, when CCP released some details about their graphics engine used to make trailers like "This is EvE," they made a comment about how it takes about a year of training to be able to turn the raw data of EvE into something viewable. Also, I'm pretty sure the data that would be required to be able to create those replays you want so much is quite proprietary, and not likely to be released any time soon. Sepheir Sepheron wrote:Also you're one rude jackass. You would likely be quite dismayed to find out how little your opinion of me matters. Well if you really didn't care I don't think you would have replied. Also, your reason for 'no' is arbitrary. Just because you and 'several others' decided in history that you don't want this feature doesn't mean you get to call the shots. If enough people want it, CCP will probably do it. Next time how about using some depth in your first reply rather than linking three posts (that you didn't even read apparently) and explaining your view rather than crying report like a tiny little baby. Another thing, there is like no reason, other than instigating some sort of emotions, to even add the fact that you reported the OP to your first reply. 1. You put it out there, don't start crying when people respond in a manner you find unfavorable. 2. Oh, look, 'several others' have also posted in this thread saying no. 3. There's also a group that wants CCP to remove all forms of non-consentual PvP from Highsec. Should CCP implement that as well, simply because an arbitrary small portion of the players want it? 4. Next time use your reading comprehension skills to figure out the point of a post, which you missed entirely. 5. A redundant thread is a redundant thread. Nothing in this thread is original, even now. 6. That you can become emotionally unbalanced by a simple forum post is not my problem.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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Steini OFSI
The Collective Collective Company
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Posted - 2015.11.28 22:09:56 -
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Iain Cariaba, thank you for your reminder of the search feature, I haven't used the forums in several years and you kindly reminded me why. Rather than do appear witty I'll just sum it down to that I'd like this feature, you may not like it, we disagree but we're both paying for this product and have interest in how our money is used.
On the idea of fraps or shadowplay, my suggestion is more about giving access to grid data so that you can choose the angle and the playback to view the kill from various angles, zoom level etc.. The post processor already exists in the form of the eve client so it is not necessarily too much work to have this feature, it might be and maybe it's too heavy on the servers data wise, maybe it's just a simple dump to a different disk that can be filtered with automated scripts unrelated to TQ. I don't know, I usually try to think in solutions rather than complications.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2015.11.28 22:17:23 -
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Sepheir Sepheron wrote:
I saw only one post in all three of those links that objected to the idea.. Also you're one rude jackass.
Please remember that personal attacks are prohibited (don't want your entire post removed do to a pointless jab
Also is far more ride to make a redundant post that forces new ideas father from the main page where they will be seen
Fuel block colors? Missiles for Caldari T3? Corp Stasis
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2015.11.28 22:19:35 -
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Steini OFSI wrote:Iain Cariaba, thank you for your reminder of the search feature, I haven't used the forums in several years and you kindly reminded me why. Rather than do appear witty I'll just sum it down to that I'd like this feature, you may not like it, we disagree but we're both paying for this product and have interest in how our money is used.
On the idea of fraps or shadowplay, my suggestion is more about giving access to grid data so that you can choose the angle and the playback to view the kill from various angles, zoom level etc.. The post processor already exists in the form of the eve client so it is not necessarily too much work to have this feature, it might be and maybe it's too heavy on the servers data wise, maybe it's just a simple dump to a different disk that can be filtered with automated scripts unrelated to TQ. I don't know, I usually try to think in solutions rather than complications.
Congrats as the op it is your job to think of solutions and our job is to pull apart and find every tiny hole in your idea for you to then solve
Fuel block colors? Missiles for Caldari T3? Corp Stasis
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Steini OFSI
The Collective Collective Company
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Posted - 2015.11.29 00:03:18 -
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Quote:Congrats as the op it is your job to think of solutions and our job is to pull apart and find every tiny hole in your idea for you to then solve
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Damjan Fox
Fox Industries and Exploration
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Posted - 2015.11.29 00:23:11 -
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Steini OFSI wrote:On the idea of fraps or shadowplay, my suggestion is more about giving access to grid data so that you can choose the angle and the playback to view the kill from various angles, zoom level etc.. This is the point, that many seem not to understand. It's not about CCP servers recording all the video data and storing them for later replay.
It would be enough, if the "recorder" saved all the input commands (like "Approach Ship X", or "Orbit Asteroid at 500m"), positions and vector of objects and status effects (like "Ship X receives Y amount of damage) of you and the ships on grid, locally on your own drive. As i see it (and i'm no expert in this field by any means) it would basically just be a textfile with all recorded input commands and the timestamp for them. A (text-)log of what happened on gid, so to speak. The 1sec server tick comes in handy here, as It keeps the data at a minimum.
To replay the video, the player (eve client) would only have to take that commands textfile and "restage" the previously recorded grid.
I don't know, why so many are against this idea. Maybe it's just a misunderstanding. I for one, i'd like to see something like this. +1 from me.
Regards, Damjan
Proposal: >>> New Inventory / Item Hangar <<<
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Iain Cariaba
2067
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Posted - 2015.11.29 04:06:40 -
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Steini OFSI wrote:Quote:Congrats as the op it is your job to think of solutions and our job is to pull apart and find every tiny hole in your idea for you to then solve Not really. The onus is on you to prove your idea is needed and benefecial to the game. It is our job to shoot down your idea at every available opportunity.
This is how forums, in general, work.
Steini OFSI wrote:I haven't used the forums in several years and you kindly reminded me why. You're quite welcome. Glad to be of service.
Steini OFSI wrote:Rather than do appear witty I'll just sum it down to that I'd like this feature, you may not like it, we disagree but we're both paying for this product and have interest in how our money is used. Well, guess what? I pay the same subscription fee you do, so our opinions hold equal weight. If CCP implements your idea, yay. If they do not, also yay. I have stated my opinion on the issue, and if you don't like my opinion, well that certainly isn't my problem.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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