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R'adeh
Gallente Gekidoku
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Posted - 2007.01.11 12:08:00 -
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Speed & RSD = dead Raven
Only if the Myrmidon pilot's clever though. With "clever" I mean it WON'T allow the Raven to get a lock a single time. Forget tanking a Raven, that won't work for sure. Drone management is key!!!
Of course is the Raven's a noob ratter, all those tips are kinda pointless...you could probably kill it in a Thorax _______________________________________________
My views are my own and I don't represent my corp. Please show mercy Drakma! |
Serpreme
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Posted - 2007.01.11 12:26:00 -
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What do you mean not let it lock you? :) he will also be in his pvp setup.
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Pottsey
Gallente Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.01.11 13:06:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 11/01/2007 13:06:27 "A Myrmidon cannot tank a Raven for crap... believe me, I've seen this attempted with my own eyes." The Myrmidon makes a killer passive tank. 200 hp/s or a lot more might be possible more then enough so that 1 Raven even with Nos cannot kill you. Thats with a warp scrabble fitted. Myrmidon makes a stronger shield tank then amour. Passive shield tanking guide click here |
DarkElf
Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts
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Posted - 2007.01.11 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Spanker
if you're running around in a myrm and come across a raven don't just assume you're going to loose because you're in a BC and he's in a BS.
totally agree. you wouldn't believe the odds i've overcome in the past because of ppl's hilarious setups and lack of experience/skills. especially the myrmidon which is the best tier2 bc for solo pvp imo you can really pwn.
and if u only ever engage odds in ur favour u'll never get the kinda rush that some of us do and never have great stories to tell.
DE
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Angus Torg
LoneWolf Mining
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Posted - 2007.01.11 14:10:00 -
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Well, I have to agree with Pottsey. Given the situation of a "friendly" Myrmidon vs. Raven fight, I would come in a passive shield tanked Myrmidon. With good skills and some nice rigs fitted, you should be able to tank all the damage the Raven throws at you. But tanking is only the half way. As long as he has cap to sustain his tank, you will have problems hitting him. So, take something liek 5 Medium Nosferatus to eliminate his Nos and drain his whole battery. As soon as he's dry, start firing. I assume that even one single gun would suffice in the end.
But as I said before, this works only with "friendly" fights. In normal situations, your enemy would just warp away... __________________________________________________ Please update the Item Database now(tm). |
R'adeh
Gallente Gekidoku
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Posted - 2007.01.11 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Serpreme What do you mean not let it lock you? :) he will also be in his pvp setup.
He can be in his PVP setup if he wants. But if I move out to 18km the second he gets a lock, he'll lose that lock again...at which point it takes him another 1min+ to get another lock Yes he can fit a sensor booster, but how many Raven pilots do that??? And if he has damps himself (hi BE), well, then either you can MWD away...or pray that you get a lock before him.
Now, ofc he can try going for your drones, which is why you need some good piloting skills so you can do "flybys" to your drones and scoop 'em if necessary.
If all goes wrong, just run if it gets too hot. You'll be going over 2.5km/s witout implants and faction stuff _______________________________________________
My views are my own and I don't represent my corp. Please show mercy Drakma! |
DarkElf
Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts
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Posted - 2007.01.11 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: R'adeh
Originally by: Serpreme What do you mean not let it lock you? :) he will also be in his pvp setup.
He can be in his PVP setup if he wants. But if I move out to 18km the second he gets a lock, he'll lose that lock again...at which point it takes him another 1min+ to get another lock Yes he can fit a sensor booster, but how many Raven pilots do that??? And if he has damps himself (hi BE), well, then either you can MWD away...or pray that you get a lock before him.
Now, ofc he can try going for your drones, which is why you need some good piloting skills so you can do "flybys" to your drones and scoop 'em if necessary.
If all goes wrong, just run if it gets too hot. You'll be going over 2.5km/s witout implants and faction stuff
2 damps puts a raven down to 18km or is that with 3?
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DayVV4lkEr
Liga Freier Terraner
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Posted - 2007.01.11 16:50:00 -
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I don't really know why everyone is thinking that the raven will provide the cap for a NOS Myr.
NOS are only usefull weapons if your enemy needs cap or he isn't able to time cap boost with shield boost and other modules (maybe he is using a passiv setup or only passiv hardeners and a xlarge booster)
In general i wouldn't go for a pure NOS Myr. maybe 4 NOS and a cap injector or even only 3 NOS
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thanatosthered
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Posted - 2007.01.11 17:00:00 -
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If the raven pilot knows he is fighting a drone boat, is there not the slightest chance that he may fit large smarties instead of nos? I know I would.
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DHB WildCat
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.01.11 17:21:00 -
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Raven owns all, good luck to anything else
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Simon Jax
Gallente Freelancing Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.11 17:31:00 -
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I know that FoF's do less damage than normal weapons, but damn it seems like a full sorte of 'em would make a mess of the Heavy Drones. Regardless of whether or not the Myrmidon can tank the Raven's damage output seems irrelevant if the Raven kills the drones. Even if the Raven's damped to all hell the FoF's could eat at the drones and given the speed of Heavy drones I rather doubt the Myrmidon pilot could recall them fast enough to keep the shields fully charged. Recalled drones aren't shooting, and at some point even non-concentrated fire would kill 'em.
And to me that seems like the best-case scenario when the Raven can't directly target the drones to direct-fire at 'em or attach his own drones.
I can definitely see where the Myrmidon stands a chance, at any rate. That alone speaks well of the ship. But realistically it seems like any competent Raven pilot would have the deck stacked in his favor.
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Corwain
Gallente Infinite Innovations
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Posted - 2007.01.11 18:06:00 -
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Heh, I'm about to attempt a dual with a corpmate that is a specialized Drake pilot. I'm guessing they'll use 7x T2 heavy launchers and a med nos, an insane passive tank with maybe a sensor booster and scram (we agreed that warping was acceptable, basically we'll have to scan each other down and we need to stay at a celestial object, no SSing), damage mods and Shield power relays in low. Hope they don't read this but I don't think they do the forum bit much anymore.
Now with the Raven fitting all nos will actually help break its tank. For the Drake not so, but overwhelming DPS will help. Go in with blasters and ECM. With a target that big you're not gonna really need to worry about a web IMO, caldari ECMs are more important because you want to keep some of the DPS off you at some point, you simply can't tank that for any length of time. Also, you want to gank as fast as possible, so no messing around with Medium drones. Even if he used FoF missles when jammed his DPS will be spread around to your drones too, which you can scoop at low shield and redeploy. If you're sure he's gonna drop right on top of you, all the better. More cap charges to start at your optimal with, and you can drop the MWD for another jammer and upgrade your blasters a bit, or go dual rep (recommended). I also recommend using implants to optimize your blaster damage. The 5% medium hybrid, 5% to turret rate of fire, 5% to MWD/AB speed perhaps. You get the idea.
Here's the setup:
6x Modal Ions with Antimatter Best named Cap injector, Best named 10MN MWD, 20k scram, 2x Caldari ECMs MAR II, 2x Best Magstabs you can fit, EANMII, Energ Reactive II, Energ Magnetic II
5x OGRE Is or IIs (whichever you can use.)
You need Weapon Upgrades III to fit. (easy)
Unfortunately I'm specced in medium drones so only T1 heavies for me. Depite not having a damage bonus Quickfit (which often underestimates DPS) gives me ~450DPS on structure without my implants and with crap gunnery skills. I only have BC 3. 250 dps of that is from the unbonused blasters and. Luckily you won't have 20k shield to chew through like I will, so you might be able to take him down FAST (which is the idea). If you can fit T2 blasters and heavies you'll have significantly more DPS. Same if you can fit some Neutrons on instead of the ions. I'm counting on the inevitable extenders on drake to make tracking problems without a web negligible (plus a tracking implant) but you MIGHT want to swap an ECM for a web. Of course BSes have huge sig radius to begin with. Luckily even specced Caldari pilots don't know anything about tracking so I expect my opponent to just sit there and soak it up.
I get 58 secs to take down a non-recharging 14k worth of drake shields, so I think 1:30-2:00 is all I'll need. Not needing to tank for 30secs to 1:00 of that will make it much easier.
I just hope my opponent doesn't read this post cause it gives my whole strategy away. This is kinda a dispute settler, cause they don't PvP but think drakes can beat anything their size or lower since passive tanked they're invulnerable to nos.
Reminds me of a forum sig I read recently which kind of applies to all blasterboats: "The Thorax flies much the same way as it looks. It goes in as far as it can, shoots its load, and then, one way or another, it's over."
I tried the Brutix, but with my low gunnery skills and poor fitting skills I couldn't fit big enough guns and damage mods with a decent enough tank to last long enough to do my damage. Sad that the Myr is the better blasterboat of the Gallente BCs at least until you get really good skills. Having extra lows to fit more damage mods AND a tank helps in this endeavor tho.
Whew!
-Corwain
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Soros
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.01.11 18:11:00 -
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Can i just say that realisticly any ship can take any ship so all of you who laugh at this guy stfu.
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Soros
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.01.11 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: DHB WildCat Raven owns all, good luck to anything else
says the guy who refuses to fight 1vs1 bs vs my mega or geddon but now im just smack talking so i'll make a constructive comment.
raven does not own all.
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Kruel
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.01.11 18:18:00 -
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What if the Myrm fit 3 Caldari racial ecms? Then again the Raven could also fit Gallente ecms.
Rock paper scissors.
Depending on setup, Myrm could win, but I'd bet on the Raven.
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Serpreme
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Posted - 2007.01.11 18:18:00 -
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Hmm ya i am thinking of ECM to avoid locks. Then heavies to take him down,but a webb to keep close so i can do a quick redeploy. Heavy nossing since i only have tech I blasters and its all i can use right now. dual armor reps and some nice active hardners. Get a cap injector in there and i think i am off to a better start then when i began.
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Blitz'Krieg
Caldari SkyMarshal Logistics
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Posted - 2007.01.11 18:23:00 -
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Edited by: Blitz''Krieg on 11/01/2007 18:22:54 Since your never gonna out nos a raven would you not be better going 1 nos and the rest neuts, just arrange the nos cycle so you can keep your active hardners on, and use the rest of your slots for a shield extender tank. Bottom rack of shield relays and the shield size increasing rig and you "may" stand a chance if your killing him with t2 drones and your pretty skilled.
edit: the peeps that are suggesting using ecm are gonna die to the fof's and the sensor dampners, well tbh the vast majority of peeps in ravens have a sensor booster on, so personally i wouldn't bother. If you really think ecm is your best option, i would go with a duel dampning / ecm drones or visa versa and let your close range blasters take him out personally, but tbh i dont think thats gonna be the way to go
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Serpreme
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Posted - 2007.01.11 18:25:00 -
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He has 1 nos,how can 6 nos's not out nos him?
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Blitz'Krieg
Caldari SkyMarshal Logistics
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Posted - 2007.01.11 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Serpreme He has 1 nos,how can 6 nos's not out nos him?
what i mean is your fighting a loosing battle trying to out cap a raven. your basically gimping your setup that can be tanked very effectivelly passively, against a raven setup that can only beat that passive tank with an active one. His tank is the one that relies on cap not yours and you can negate that "bonus" with neuts better than nos.
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Taerenius
Caldari Aurora Empire Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
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Posted - 2007.01.11 19:11:00 -
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Sorry, I'm a specialized raven pilot (Caldari BS5, Cruise missile spec 4, 3.5mil sp in missiles, all shield tanking skills at 4-5, etc) and to all the people saying that theres no way a raven with cruise missiles will break your tank with 2 repairers they have no clue what they're talking about.
My cruise launchers have a rate of fire of something like 7.25 sec with 3 T2 BCU, and yes I DO fit a t2 sensor booster in mids (whoever said no sane raven pilot uses a sensor booster as a normal fitting obviously didn't know what they were talking about). Generally a good raven pilot will use a few hardeners to maximize his "overall" resists, a good shield booster (XL most likely) and with cruise launchers its easy to fit 2 heavy dim nos. A couple PDSII in low, 3 T2 BCUs, and you have a serious DPSing raven, especially if you add in 5 t2 medium drones (which I use).
This whole thread is about a COMPETANT specialized raven pilot, theres no way a COMPETANT specialized raven pilot will lose to a single myrmidon - COMPETANT being the key word. Nos + cruise launchers + drones + BCUs + sensor boosters + good resists + good shield boosting (and thats not even with rigs, add some rigs in which any good raven pilot will have and you're screwed) and theres no way you'll win.
Depending on my mood sometimes I fit 2 T2 sensor boosters on my Raven as sensor damps appear to be the new I-win ECM mod, it helps to defend against them primarily, plus locking faster is always a sure way to come out on top.
Anyway, as long as the raven pilot is specialized and has a decent amount of sp AND is competant (key word) I don't see how you can win.
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Shandling
Minmatar Disband
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Posted - 2007.01.11 19:28:00 -
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Hehe... before the fight starts.. launch 5 drones where you'll be fighting (moon, safespot, etc) and then dock immediately. Refill your drone bay, warp back to your drones. Launch 5 drones, scoop the 5 old ones...
You've now got 5 active drones and a drone bay full of them!
ZOMGSPLOITSZ
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Ferocious FeAr
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.11 19:50:00 -
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Let's just make this thread end. No BC can take a down a raven pilot who knows what 1+1 is.
You're welcome.
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Littleluk
The Ancient Order Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.11 20:08:00 -
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Since it is a prearranged fight..see if you can set the stage in your favor. If I HAD to try this. Use sentry drones and drop them 30-40 km from where you want to fight. Fit 4 Nos, 2 autocannons web and remote sensor damps. Take out his drones first while keeping him webbed so he can't get to your sentry drones. You have a decent chance to stay out of his lock range if your higly skilled with RSD's.and even FOF's will only fly out to targeting range. Very situational approach though and if it goes wrong you will die an ugly death. Everyone needs a little luk. |
Imode
Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.11 20:25:00 -
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220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I
Pseudoelectron or some other named DCU Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Mark I Modified SS Nanofiber Structure Mark I Modified SS Inertial Stabilizers Mark I Modified SS Inertial Stabilizers
Dunno, never tried it but sounds fun. :) Load barrage, orbit outside of webrange and pew pew, perhaps?
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SN3263827
The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion
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Posted - 2007.01.11 22:58:00 -
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All those saying "lose one drone and your damage is gone" don't seem to realise that 4 heavies still outdamage 5 mediums by 60%.
If you want to really be sure the raven isn't going to kill you, fit 3 damps and rails and use sentry drones. Stay outside lock range and wait. _____________________________________________
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Justice Bringer
Minmatar United Univers
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Posted - 2007.01.12 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: SN3263827 All those saying "lose one drone and your damage is gone" don't seem to realise that 4 heavies still outdamage 5 mediums by 60%.
If you want to really be sure the raven isn't going to kill you, fit 3 damps and rails and use sentry drones. Stay outside lock range and wait.
Oh dear oh dear.....
5 Heavies outdamage 5 mediums, are you serious??
And what of the 6 cruise missiles that a Raven pilot can still launch? When the drones are gone what will the Myrmidon use? Harsh language....???
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Hllaxiu
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.12 01:07:00 -
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Against a very well skilled Raven pilot I recommand a faction/officer passive shield tank and assigned fighters. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated Free Trade Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.12 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Serpreme Edited by: Serpreme on 11/01/2007 06:21:00 whats a EANM? hehe i'm new to the pvp scene,like 3 days new :) been a indy.
Its the devil.....From now on pack only explosive and kinetic hardeners....please?? __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. |
Kalok
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Posted - 2007.01.12 01:11:00 -
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You cant win against a cm raven but have a change against a torp raven. We had a good hunting system with a Myrmidon and a Falcon ****ing about. I fitted my raven with cm2, smarty's, a heavy cap injector and loaded up Fof's. After renaming it to Hunting raven I entered the system. He and his m8 were there and I worped into the first belt. Turning to go for the next he worped right in my ass. The Falcon arrived a bit later but no biggy. His drones popped and so did his schip shortly after. I smartbombed his pod back to empire while the falcon worped out. To be honest a normal hunting raven would be no problem for a pvp Myrmidon.
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Logi3
sasha and co Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2007.01.12 13:02:00 -
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Could be a long shot, but could this be the time an ECM Burst is actualy usefull? Orbit at 5-10km (depends if you want to get close enough to burst then go back out again) use burst when he has a lock on you while you run x2 Sensor dampners?
TBH i think no matter what, unless hes a retarded Raven pilot or has a gimped setup, its a too big ask to beat him.
Good luck thou :)
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