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Piotr Kavees
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.11.28 13:35:25 -
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I'm looking into moving into a c4 wh solo, with a c3 static. I'm wondering, from people who have done it before, the profitability. I have 2 alts, both capable of flying marauders. (One vargur, one paladin) able to mine, and PI. I was also looking into making combat boosters while inside, but I'm not sure it would be worth it due to the logistics. I'm gonna set up a large pos because I plan to be there for a while.
So, in the endless experience of the eve forums, what kind of Isk per hour can be made in a c4 with a c3 static? And also, any tips to maximize profits would be greatly appreciated. |
Borsek
Incertae Sedis
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Posted - 2015.11.28 13:57:43 -
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People here look down at krabs that only come to w-space to get cash.
Personally I hope you get blown up a lot for using marauders with little to no experience in how w-space works.
That said, the question of ISK per hour is not the question you would be asking, if you had the slightest idea how w-space works. Home sites are few and have slow respawn times.
C4 holes have dual statics.
Theoretically, you can make around 100M/h farming C3s, but that is not considering finding a full system, scanning it down and critting the incoming holes. That is jumping from anom to anom killing and salvaging while you go/with an alt.
Unless you're doing capital escalations, w-space is worse for ISK than incursions.
Anyway, I project a net income of negative 150M Isk per hour for you if you'll be using said ships in said holes.
Go explore w-space first, join a corp, do pvp with them, get a feel for it before simply farming. If you want to make isk, stay in hisec. |
Borsek
Incertae Sedis
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Posted - 2015.11.28 13:59:47 -
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P.S. Please, if you mine in w-space, make sure you mine in a hulk, it is best ship for mining which is best profession. |
Persephone Alleile
Nocx Initiative
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Posted - 2015.11.28 15:44:26 -
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Ship losses will definitely cut into your profits, especially if you are using marauders. It'll be fine and dandy until the fleet of t3 cruisers uncloaks next to your Paladin and then boom, you're in the hole for a billion isk.
Personally I've never found solo ratting to be very profitable in w-space, gas and relic sites are usually a better payoff for the amount of isk you are putting on the line (covops frigs and ventures aren't very expensive so losing them doesn't hurt your wallet very much). |
Seraph Essael
eXceed Inc.
1150
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Posted - 2015.11.29 03:37:12 -
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I can find you the perfect C4 with your C3 and another static, for say... One billion ISK? Half up front, half when job complete and you're safely in your new home.
Sound good? Especially if you can afford them two Marauders
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Borsek
Incertae Sedis
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Posted - 2015.11.29 05:41:58 -
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Come now, seraph, we both know the only reliable service is Jester's. |
RcTamiya
SUPREME MATHEMATICS A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2015.11.29 13:22:15 -
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Gilas work good for slo C3-Farming though, however i'd not recommend doing so solo. |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
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Posted - 2015.11.29 15:40:44 -
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If you're up to snuff and know your ****, the c3 static with two toons+scanner is about 300mil+/hr including the time spent rolling and scanning, given you use machs for closing and ideally got a third toon with a max-skilled covops. With two marauders, you can semi-afk through your c4 sites, but that's limited supply. You'll need roughly 10-15minutes each including warps and salvage. With two well-skilled long range ones and limiting yourself to barracks, ISK/hr goes up a fair bit.
No effort PI with one week cycles is roughly 300mil/toon per month. Mining works the same as in nullsec.
On the other hand, you can also spend about 6hours a month on pve and literally the rest doing pvp with whatever ship you fancy. |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.11.30 07:11:39 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:If you're up to snuff and know your ****, the c3 static with two toons+scanner is about 300mil+/hr including the time spent rolling and scanning, given you use machs for closing and ideally got a third toon with a max-skilled covops. With two marauders, you can semi-afk through your c4 sites, but that's limited supply. You'll need roughly 10-15minutes each including warps and salvage. With two well-skilled long range ones and limiting yourself to barracks, ISK/hr goes up a fair bit.
No effort PI with one week cycles is roughly 300mil/toon per month. Mining works the same as in nullsec.
On the other hand, you can also spend about 6hours a month on pve and literally the rest doing pvp with whatever ship you fancy.
2 Marauders can do C5s. Wouldn't it be better to use 2 Rattlesnakes for C4s?
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Janeway84
Def Squadron Pride Before Fall
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Posted - 2015.11.30 07:50:43 -
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for solo work i wouldn't recommend a c4. You need a few active players to make that work smooth. I would rather recommend a cousy c1 static where you can fly marauders or you can fly jackdaw, svipul, drake, etc. for a while to test the waters. |
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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
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Posted - 2015.11.30 16:26:09 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:2 Marauders can do C5s. Wouldn't it be better to use 2 Rattlesnakes for C4s?
Cheaper, yes. Better, not by a long shot. Tinker Rattles got meh dps and the drones got to travel for ages. Two marauders apply (almost) full dps from dt to dt, rattles effectively don't even come close, even tho they look competitive on paper.
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Cidanel Afuran
Static-Noise Upholders
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Posted - 2015.11.30 16:52:30 -
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Piotr Kavees wrote:I was also looking into making combat boosters while inside, but I'm not sure it would be worth it due to the logistics. I'm gonna set up a large pos because I plan to be there for a while.
Just to make sure you know what you're getting into, the gas for booster production isn't found in WHs.
I would recommend either setting up a POS in a low level WH just to learn how to survive out there before bringing anything expensive in, or joining a corp to learn how things work. |
Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
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Posted - 2015.11.30 16:56:35 -
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Solo C4 works fine if done right. But it depends on how greedy you are. The right way is to farm only the home sites and use the statics for pvp. I did it for more than a year and didn't lose a ship. If you go into the statics for ratting, the risk multiplies. More holes, people can come through the backdoor (your home), residents of the system where you're ratting can log in unnoticed... I estimate ratting this way carries 4-5 times the risk to get ganked. Even if you take the proper precautions, which also cut into your efficiency.
Just the home sites should be enough to cover pos fuel, replacement of lost pvp ships and plexing 1-2 accounts or alternatively building up some moderate wealth over time. Good enough if you are there to live there... probably not enough if you are just there to fund something else.
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.12.03 00:37:34 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:2 Marauders can do C5s. Wouldn't it be better to use 2 Rattlesnakes for C4s?
Cheaper, yes. Better, not by a long shot. Tinker Rattles got meh dps and the drones got to travel for ages. Two marauders apply (almost) full dps from dt to dt, rattles effectively don't even come close, even tho they look competitive on paper.
I was debating whether to use a Paladin, Vargur or 2 Sentry Cruise Rattlers when set up a Large Amarr DS POS (waiting for the Citadels) in a C4. I'll try out C5s after I've gained some experience with C4s. |
Johng Kahn
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2015.12.03 02:30:49 -
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Honestly C4 would be the worst choice for solo work considering they now have an offramp.
If your in it only for the isk then scrap the entire idea and do incursions or join goons and rat in a carrier.
If you have dread capable ships you could find a cozy c5 and kill off some 1x escalations before the undetermined nerf to dreads this winter and make about a bill isk an hour till Hard Knocks or the like drop it and kill it.
Solo work is involved and you spend alot of time scouting and securing your farming area without help. C4's like to scram and neut heavy and kite intensive. C3's are easy mode and can be run fast in a rattle.
If you just want to learn W space then you should join an established active corp that can teach you. It will save you tons of isk in dead ships and pods.
The first person to reply was a bit harsh honestly. I encourage all forms of w space activity these days. Krabs are fine with me. I need more pallidans to shoot.
You will find in the end though that the reality of w space these days is not the great riches it used to be though it is decent isk when needed. There are far more profitable activities vs time invested in game and definatly far safer.
I came to w space because i like the risk no mater what i'm doing. I lost many many billions over the years because of this. These days my only purpose is to have just enough isk to buy shiny stuffs to blow up. I actually get most my isk for that from a single logi toon that will run a day of incursions once a month for a plex and extra pocket change.
If you truely want to still try w space solo then i would at least reccomend starting in a single static c3. Your losses will be less while you learn. |
boogaly moogaly
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.12.06 01:47:50 -
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I lived semi solo in a C4. (A friend was in the hole for PI and helped bring in fuel every month). It is very profitable.
Now, its probably not profitable in Marauders. You will catch so much attention that you're guaranteed to be hunted, and people may even just camp in your hole for shiny kills. It's especially risky running the C3 sites where you won't have complete control of the hole (not that you do in your home hole either...)
Now, people have mentioned rattlesnakes, which are a great ship to run in, however still on the pricey side. When I ran sites, I tripled boxed Domi's. In the C4 I had all equipped with RR and cap transfer and the sentries blapped everything, I ran the sites at 15-20 mins per site, and this wasn't the best time I could get. You have the advantage of massive repping power, and making 300m/h+ you will pay for your ships in one evenings ratting. This is from the C4 hole alone.
The real money mil is from C3's. Now, C3's are significantly more dangerous than C4's for sites, so the cheap Domi's make even more sense, and honestly most people are going to have a hard time holding your ships down and/or killing them as they have good rep power and DPS. The real nice thing about triple boxing domi's in a C3 if you only need two with reps. The third can be fit with a full rack of heavy neuts to neuter (lol) any would be PvP'ers. You should be able to complete sites in a C3 in less than 8 minutes (tops) triple boxing domis.. It's like 1800 instantly applied DPS at the full range of a C3
I would be happy to answer any questions about C4 life. As I said I lived alone in one, and I currently am in a PvP corp out of a C4 hole. |
Seraph Essael
eXceed Inc.
1151
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Posted - 2015.12.06 03:21:23 -
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boogaly moogaly wrote:Now, people have mentioned rattlesnakes, which are a great ship to run in, however still on the pricey side. You make a lot of ISK running sites in Domi's? How are you poor enough to think Snakes are expensive...
Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."
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boogaly moogaly
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.12.07 03:45:36 -
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Seraph Essael wrote:boogaly moogaly wrote:Now, people have mentioned rattlesnakes, which are a great ship to run in, however still on the pricey side. You make a lot of ISK running sites in Domi's? How are you poor enough to think Snakes are expensive...
It's a matter of cost efficiency, Domi's provide more than enough DPS to run C3 sites quickly. Rattles provide less benefit than their worth (imo), for C4's it may be a little better.
edit: coming back after a long break I see rattles are dirt cheap... they're probably worth the extra 130 mill. |
Ghenghis Kralj
Reikoku Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.12.07 17:03:04 -
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Just curious. Why a c4 over a c2 if the c3 static is the objective? |
Johng Kahn
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2015.12.07 22:50:58 -
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Honestly if i was dead set on farming a c3 static i would find a C5 with c3 static. You can farm your instrumentals in the 5 and ninja talocans from the relic sites then you also have a c3 with only a 1 bill mass. super fast and easy to rage roll it with 2 accounts.
1 cruiser pass and 2 fat higs BS will pop it. I have had such a hole before and it's realy fast to rage roll and farm that static. |
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King Aires
Chicks on Speed Mordus Angels
95
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Posted - 2015.12.08 00:56:40 -
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Pick your statics wisely.
When you have hole security run your static and make tons of isk.
When you don't have hole security (Frig holes or known cloakers) gas mine the good stuff. |
Zeddicus Cypher
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.01.17 02:13:40 -
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So, I'm back at Eve from a substantial break and fairly new to Wormholes and exploration. I just got that WH mapping thing setup and was having quite a bit of fun with it. I, however, was curious about a few things mentioned here:
The idea of claiming a WH...I assume you do that by burning new hikes to reduce the likelihood of people wandering in? The static system is also not entirely clear. I'm also curious what ships (as Amarr) would be suggested for combat in Wspace. I really dig my covops, but want to blast some things. Mostly cruiser trained and enjoy them smaller ships...Arbitrator is my bad, baby.
Thanks ^_^ |
Boudacca Sangrere
Anomalous Existence Low-Class
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Posted - 2016.01.21 09:26:27 -
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WHs do not have SOV in the classical sense. You "claim" a WH by setting up a tower (POS) and making sure no other, non-friendly tower exists in the system. There are many empty (i.e. unclaimed) WHs in WH space, but the better the connection, or effect, the more likely it will be that you will find mostly occupied systems.
As someone else said earlier, it can be quite challenging to live in a WH solo, especially if your previous WH experience is limited. Things like getting fuel (for the POS) in, loot out, etc can be a pain and definately hazardous. If you like WHs, enjoy blowing stuff up, love the cov-ops life as well, then I do recommend that you find yourself a (lower class) WH corp (low - class meaning C1-C4, which means mostly sub-cap ship skills). If you find later on that you need to try your hand at flying caps (capital ships), then C5 and C6 corps will be able to offer that.
Welcome back to EvE and have fun in J-space (WHs are named J-XXXXX, hence the name).
Fly dangerously,
B. |
Boudacca Sangrere
Anomalous Existence Low-Class
65
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Posted - 2016.01.21 09:31:41 -
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Forgot to add:
the Confessor (amarr tactical destroyer) is an extreemly capable ship for WH space, ESPECIALLY in a system with Wolf Ryatt (sp?) effect (massive bonus to small weapons, the higher the WH (C1 - C6) the bigger the bonus). The Sacriledge is also a very capable ship for WHs (C1 - C3). Paladins are also quite good (C4 and up), but then you are putting some REAL Isk at risk with those.
Maybe others can chime in on Amarr ships as well.
B. |
HTIDRaver
The Dive Bar
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Posted - 2016.01.22 00:25:11 -
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Piotr Kavees wrote:I'm looking into moving into a c4 wh solo, with a c3 static. I'm wondering, from people who have done it before, the profitability. I have 2 alts, both capable of flying marauders. (One vargur, one paladin) able to mine, and PI. I was also looking into making combat boosters while inside, but I'm not sure it would be worth it due to the logistics. I'm gonna set up a large pos because I plan to be there for a while.
So, in the endless experience of the eve forums, what kind of Isk per hour can be made in a c4 with a c3 static? And also, any tips to maximize profits would be greatly appreciated.
i've read in a lot of places that marauders have a hard time in c3 sites so be careful with that.. on the other hand i've heard that with enough deadspace gear it's definitely doable.
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Jessica23Atreides
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.02.04 01:25:11 -
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It's not possible... unless you plan on running a main with 3-5 scout toons. Upkeep on even a small tower just isn't worth the effort. And a Large (your plan) is 10x more futile.
You can't mine, you will die. I promise.
You can't PI because it will take a large fleet of BS (HOURS and HOURS) to take down Customs Offices and you will NEVER recoup the costs of putting up your own even if you played Eve until the year 2200 with 10 perfect PI alts.
I MIGHT be ok with a small staging tower and just running the hell out of the C3 statics but then you run into the issue of rolling WHs.
My advice... Get a T3 and carry a mobile depot with you. Swap out scanning fits with dmg fits and just scan down WHs. Be a wanderer because you will not succeed in settling in a WH of any size. Your soul will be crushed if you try. |
Cidanel Afuran
Static-Noise Upholders
594
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Posted - 2016.02.04 20:29:06 -
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Jessica23Atreides wrote:It's not possible... unless you plan on running a main with 3-5 scout toons. Upkeep on even a small tower just isn't worth the effort. And a Large (your plan) is 10x more futile.
You can't mine, you will die. I promise.
You can't PI because it will take a large fleet of BS (HOURS and HOURS) to take down Customs Offices and you will NEVER recoup the costs of putting up your own even if you played Eve until the year 2200 with 10 perfect PI alts.
I MIGHT be ok with a small staging tower and just running the hell out of the C3 statics but then you run into the issue of rolling WHs.
My advice... Get a T3 and carry a mobile depot with you. Swap out scanning fits with dmg fits and just scan down WHs. Be a wanderer because you will not succeed in settling in a WH of any size. Your soul will be crushed if you try.
Please don't take this advice. None of it.
I lived solo in WHs for a while with little problem.
First, never, never take a small tower. Go for a medium. Medium POS's don't take that much fuel and are more than manageable solo. Smalls will get smashed. No one will take the effort to mess with a medium dickstar in a lower level WH. People aren't that bored. You can easily mine in safety, as long as you know your neighbors, watch for probes, etc. I never once lost a prospect/venture gas mining while living in WHs solo. It's fairly easy to find an empty hole with POCOs that already have good tax rates. No real need to take them down immediately, and even if you want to, I've taken them out an oracle and stratios alone pretty quickly. Just roll all your incoming holes closed, crit your statics, and semi-afk bash them for a few hours. You by no means need battleships.
Do not take a T3. That's a stupid amount of ISK to risk on the field when you can get by fairly well solo in a drake/gila and not have your day ruined if you lose it.
Pick your statics. To start with, the most empty holes you will find are probably C1/LS statics. That's where I started, and while the ISK isn't nearly as good, it's a great safe place to learn the ropes of WHs. |
gregora mai
HildCo Interplanetar Villore Accords
180
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Posted - 2016.02.05 13:02:32 -
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/Sign
I moved in a C3 WH with my Alts not long ago. I would prefer a Large Tower as a d1ck Star in a C3 without bonus Effects and an U210 connection to Lowsec. With running Sites at the first week I amortized all my investments of the Tower, Defence etc. Fuel and Ships. After one week it was only an ISK printing machine: One Alt to fly the Sites and Data/Relics Four Alts for PI One Alt for Hauling Stuff in and out.
For all Sites I use a T3 Legion and if it would be popped I could reimburse it easy with the earned money. Doing Gas Reaktions in the WH is a nice way to generate extra cash. Depending on your Skills I would choose a Confessor for C2 and a Legion (or maybe Drake to stay cheap) for C3. Keep in mind that a C3 will generate a lot more ISK but would be more dangerous. |
Andrew Space
Spaceheads Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.02.17 17:59:35 -
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Jessica23Atreides wrote:It's not possible... unless you plan on running a main with 3-5 scout toons. Upkeep on even a small tower just isn't worth the effort. And a Large (your plan) is 10x more futile.
You can't mine, you will die. I promise.
You can't PI because it will take a large fleet of BS (HOURS and HOURS) to take down Customs Offices and you will NEVER recoup the costs of putting up your own even if you played Eve until the year 2200 with 10 perfect PI alts.
I MIGHT be ok with a small staging tower and just running the hell out of the C3 statics but then you run into the issue of rolling WHs.
My advice... Get a T3 and carry a mobile depot with you. Swap out scanning fits with dmg fits and just scan down WHs. Be a wanderer because you will not succeed in settling in a WH of any size. Your soul will be crushed if you try.
This post is depressing. |
Imustbecomfused
The-Ultraviolet-Realm
63
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Posted - 2016.03.03 11:25:55 -
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Piotr Kavees wrote:I'm looking into moving into a c4 wh solo, with a c3 static. I'm wondering, from people who have done it before, the profitability. I have 2 alts, both capable of flying marauders. (One vargur, one paladin) able to mine, and PI. I was also looking into making combat boosters while inside, but I'm not sure it would be worth it due to the logistics. I'm gonna set up a large pos because I plan to be there for a while.
So, in the endless experience of the eve forums, what kind of Isk per hour can be made in a c4 with a c3 static? And also, any tips to maximize profits would be greatly appreciated.
Usually, we use the rapier as an all out utility ship, for webbing an orca off the grid, scanning, scouting, even hauling light stuff. Use of cov ops frigs is helpful for scanning. Using a t2 transport is nice cause of the cloak. it hold just enough to drop a pos and enough stront and fuel to get the pos online. once the pos has a shield... then bring in the assets after rolling the static.
Prepare and create a procedure for certain things you do in eve, and make note in a journal or notepad or google docs, something to record a log as well. Planning is key, Finding what we call a prospect is easy now that Thera exists. We have clones there so we can simply jump there, get in a ship, and go map the chains available to you. Once you find a prospect, get a back up scanner in there, and log em off... find access not using thera to bring in a wh collapsing megathron, or any assets. thera is just using to increase our chances of finding a decent wh connection, to more whs.... :)
then we watch it for a few days or weeks depending. :) it makes good use of out of corp alts logged off in a t2 cov ops scanner.
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