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Ice Breaker2
Kemono.
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Posted - 2007.01.12 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Man
Originally by: MrTripps
Originally by: Ice Breaker2 the man speaks the truth.
LOL. Another familiar nanophone pilot. Mad props for finding and using that setup so well, but you know it is overpowered. That is why you use it.
The folks saying stop whining and adapt don't know what they are talking about. They haven't been fighting these setups day after day. Sure there is a counter, but it is one that requires training another race's cruiser to lvl5 along with all the other recon ship skills. If anyone thinks they are so uber they can get them otherwise they are more then welcome to run over to Obe and try.
okay, nerf nano setups, honestly we wouldn't care, and it don't change crap. we would just pwn with something else, then you would whine about whatever it is you think is overpowered then..
ok mrTripps you said if we come in comthing else we would get fair fights, but that my dear friend just insn't true. we came to visit your alliance in different ships (6slow-ass damage dealing BS to be more specific) u had 25ppl in local not including us and u guys still woudnt play, so we stoped. And u dont need to train for huginn/rapier just to stop nanophoon. every race has a ship witch is very good at stoping/making usesless a nanoBS/vaga/intys, you just need to fit them right. Some of northen alliance budies know how and has been very succeful at it. OH and nano setups are NOT overpowered in general. The people who fly them make seem so because it is us who spent millions-billions in implants, faction mwds, rigs...etc
NOS should be looked at tho, but ccp should make that intys would be still afraid of going close range to BS
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Horza Otho
Minmatar Infortunatus Eventus
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Posted - 2007.01.12 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Brian Ballbag
Originally by: Horza Otho 2007.01.11 21:34 Victim: ****** Alliance: Center for Disease Creation Corp: 23rd Armor Destroyed: Abaddon System: C-FP70 Security: 0.0 Involved parties: Name: Horza Otho (laid the final blow) Security: -1.3 Alliance: NONE Corp: Infortunatus Eventus Ship: Dominix Weapon: Berserker II
LOL K NANO DOMI K LOLOLOL
what ? Learn to type or go back to wow.
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Kunming
Outcasts
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Posted - 2007.01.12 02:35:00 -
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Originally by: HankMurphy
was having a good time reading this thread today at work.
you really must have got pwn by some nano setup, or have a rival that uses one you cant seem to beat. either way, you seem to be throwing around the OVERPOWERED term pretty loosely here.
OVERPOWERED would mean its pro's FAR outweigh its cons, and in this case that simply isn't true.
Overpowered (taken from the dictionary): - a dominating force - overcome by superior force
In this case it is "the speed" thats the dominating, superior force. In your definition of pros and cons, the cons are that nano-setups have no tank, the pros are that your weapons (drones or missiles) dont need any tracking while the enemy cant hit u with turrets, cant dmg you with missiles, and his drones wont catch up, basically you are going so fast that you wont get hit which in return negates the cons + your NOS, which you fit to run the MWD, has an additional effect of completely neutralizing the enemy.
Originally by: HankMurphy
I have a nanotempest setup i love, but fact is, unless i'm roaming solo looking for a solo kill, its not gonna cut the cheese.
"nanotempest", LOL?! You seem to have completely miss the point of nano-setups, the key is using non-tracking, non-cap-consuming weapons (aka missiles and drones), tempest aint the right ship for it. No wonder it doesnt cut the cheese, ur pair o sails wont even cut the wind!
Originally by: HankMurphy
There are a multitude of ships out there that have the ability to tackle and lock down a ship (nano or not). ... So, unable to tackle it? Your gang sucks, send some ppl back to dock to adjust setups or get in different ships.
"A multitude of ships"... yeah sure... tell me pls how do you unlock those secret ships.
There is only 1 ships in EVE that can tackle a nano-ship: huginn/rapier + one would prefer addin a lachesis/arazu to make absolutely sure he's "tackled", thats already 2x T2 ships just to get hold of a T1 nano-ship, then you also want to add a dmg dealer to take him down for sure, that makes 2-3 T2 ships to counter a T1 ship.
Then we have the option of ceptors which confronts us with the vagabond problem once again (nothing can catch up to vagas and when interceptors do, they are all alone and die), similarly a nano-setup will NOS ur lil ceptor to nothingness. Alternatively you can swarm your target with ceptors but then its again X number of ships to counter a T1 ship. Not to mention some nano-ships outrun ceptors!
Originally by: HankMurphy
This is not to mention the inherent flaws in a nano setup. Fact is, the faster and more agile you wanna be, the more slots you have to sacrifice. "but hank, they will fit full rack of high's w/ nos, wah wah wah" yeah, how is this different than trying to fight a nosdomi??? Except in this case, unless the ship is a nosdomi, he is not going to have crap for DPS because of it.
WTF? You cant possibly compare a standart nosDomi to a nano-ship!! They are wildly different things... NOS-domi uses NOS to sustain its tank and neutralize its target at the same time, you can web, scramble and hit it with weapons, infact what was overpowered about the NOS-domi was the "NOS + ECM + Drones" combo, with ECM gone out of that you dont even see many of them around anymore. Nano-ship uses NOS to sustain its speed, which gives it invulnerability to some extend (just like ECM gave NOS-domi invulnerability).
Also DPS is insignificant if your target cant hit you and is neutralized by your NOS, infact DPS is of quite low importance in KALI since its all about sustainability.
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Kunming
Outcasts
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Posted - 2007.01.12 02:36:00 -
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...Continuing from previous post...
Originally by: HankMurphy
More on flaws to a nano setup.... so you are sacrificing a good amount of highs for nos we assume.. but what about DPS? Well, if your fitting turrets of any kind, good luck hitting anything. You have to go w/ missiles. Oh, and not to mention, i dont care what kind of setup you have, likely w/o snakes missiles from others are still gonna hit you. Combine this with the whole problem w/ sacrificing all your lows for the insane speed, this equals NO TANK.
This has all been said and done above.. btw if you know so well that turrets dont go with nano-setups why the hell do you have a nano-tempest?! Or is it true that you actually just reapeating what you read on the forums and dont have any real experience with nano-setup on either side of it. I can understand your frustration that minmatar sucked for so long and now have something really good, but you have to see that its not balanced in anyway and it either needs a nerf or a counter thats as easily accesible as the nano-setup it self.
BTW "NO TANK"? Why do you think they call it "speed-tank"?
Originally by: HankMurphy
Once you can wrap you head around ADAPTATION you might see that once your nano enemy is locked down he is going to die quickly after that.(yeah, this may take some actually planning on forming your gang and setups, ie: thinking, **oh noes** I think nano setups can be fun, but they certainly aren't practical and die very easily.
"Adaptation"... Me and everyone else knows sure as hell that once the nano-ship is locked down he is also going down, thats not the point of discussion in this thread at all though. Locking nano-ships down is the problem and the point of this discussion.
Alright here comes the part I really enjoy about your post:
Originally by: HankMurphy
If you actually applied yourself to the game and had any experience pvping you would know this.
Personal insults... what for? to reduce the credibility of my post because you have no valid arguements or counter-arguements to put forward? what are you some 12-year-old kid?
Oh and I sure as hell didnt had any pvp experience when I was FC in every frikkin alliance I went... I sure as hell didnt had any pvp experience when I didnt fared worse than a 4:1 k/d ratio on killboards... I sure as hell didnt had any pvp experience when our team almost beat BoB but got second place instead in the first alliance championship... oh boy I have seen more pvp than your whole life in EVE!..
Originally by: HankMurphy
Run along and go play a game that doesn't involve thought or strategy. EvE doesn't need or want players like you.
What an ironic statement, tell me where is the thought or strategy in nano-setups? You come up with an overpowered combo and expect other players to beat it with "strategy and thought"... you must be a genius
And btw Mr Hanky didnt want me in EvE so I'll just leave... leave him in his own misery that is!
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm Eternal Rangers of Terror
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Posted - 2007.01.12 03:05:00 -
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RadiKS
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Posted - 2007.01.12 03:19:00 -
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All I have to say after reading your whines is be paitentent, learn to fly your ships dont ***** and fight. Those Nanos may be fast but they can be caught and popped it will just take coordination and a change in stategy and well for those of you who are afraid of NOS - grow up and stop being noobs. Get your skills up and you will change your mind.
Bhead - If you can't fly a frig - GO HOME!!!!
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Ryysa
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.01.12 03:39:00 -
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*shrug*
If nanosetups get nerfed, i'll just go back to vagabond...
It feels kinda useless atm since i can be ten times as effective in nanophoon :P
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kessah
Caldari Blood Corsair's
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Posted - 2007.01.12 05:21:00 -
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My personal view is its a waste of a battleship.
They are silly setup's - Battleships shouldnt really be allowed to travel that fast anyways. -------------------------------------------------------- Forever Pirate 2
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Johann Jeneau
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.01.12 10:24:00 -
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err...i only see 2 kind of people posting here, the ones who think the nano-nos combination are totaly wrong in terms of gameplay/phisics
and the others who think someone is trying to steal their toys and after that they will have to turn miners...
My problem isn't the fact the nano setups are uber or not, they are uber in some situations nad not so uber in others.
For me the problem is that they make everyone use that kind of setup and it's not exactly a difficult setup to be using, i use it myself and i'm doing fine but i don't want to use it because is retarded, stupid and mindless...oh yes i forgot to say i can put my brains in energy saving mode
Now there are some people who think not having to think is a plus in a game...i say to them, go back to...
Also don't start with..."adapt and think in a way to counter it" ROFL
THINK? i just do the some thing wow!!! Now i can say i'm an Einstein!!!
The game will be excellent when there isn't 1 kind of setup above all the others in terms of choice, and when each kind of ship performs their role...
Last night i went to a pub and tried to convince a WOW friend to play EVE, i talked about the uber PvP experience and when explaining some things i've talked about the insane battleships speed/maneuverability...next i had to heard him joking of the battlestar galactica chasing Vipers and turning like them...
I got drunk after that...still am...
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2007.01.12 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel Although at that time there were no minnie recons. Which *are* an effective counter for nanosetups.
They are? How do you kill a nanodomi with one, tell me? Because I fly Huginns and wouldn't even try ...
For one thing, the inertia of a Domi makes it hard to slow it down with webs.
When you have tackled one in a Huginn, you will be in full Nos/Neut range, so your cap will be gone in a couple of seconds and then you have a warp disruptor and 5 Ogre II on you. Good luck getting away or killing the domi before the drones eat you. ;-)
(yes, you can keep him webbed if you have a cap injector and move out of non-faction scram range, but then he can run as well as you unless one of you has a faction scram - and he will still outdamage and outlast you)
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City Chick
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Posted - 2007.01.12 11:41:00 -
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Ok i've not been playing this game for long so excuse me i'f i'm wildy wrong here.
1st, Kill the drones, dont waste your time shooting the nanowatsit, without damage it cant kill you.
2nd, its a bs for heavens sake, chances are if it wasnt a nanoblah it would be tanked and kill you anyway, dont fly without friends in low sec. OK so this nanojig is orbiting you, nossing you and droning you to death, call upon your friend in system to jump into his nano-cruiser (of any race , even a frig would work guys) nano-mate warps to you, its a cruiser or frig so can catch the nano-badi, web him and you pewn him.
Why are you all complaining you just need to work together as a team rather than crying cos you got ganked while flying solo. Wise up guys its not the set up its your inability to pvp.
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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2007.01.12 12:20:00 -
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no-one is 'crying' about being ganked...
I see this whole "blah blah... crying about..." retort a lot around the forums - it's not big, it's not clever, it's just lame, so lay off it...
Battleships going several km/sec wouldn't be so bad, if there was a corresponding decrease in manoeuvring i.e. virtually limited to a straight line.
Anyway, this is all (somewhat) academic as the devs have stated at the fan-fest they are doing something about speed setups, and I doubt they are talking about touching interceptorsā
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.12 12:25:00 -
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nano ships cannot be nerfer or minmatar will simply be out of game.
Nano ships a very fragile and can be countered. Just use some dampeners to force them inside web range. Use heavy missiles. Hit them with a pair of heavy neuterers so they shut MWD down... use a huggin.
If nanos are to be limited I demand that hardenesrand repairers can also be used only 1 per ship. And only 1 weapons per ship.
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Silverized
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.01.12 12:26:00 -
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Nanoships are the perfect antiblob weapons... they can cause big alliances civer damage + that speed fighting are much more fun then gate camping:) Nanoships are needed in this game. Its just alliance carebears that aint safe behind their huge camps anymore thats picking up a fuss with nanosetups.
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Adamantium Beam
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Posted - 2007.01.12 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Rivek There are plenty of counters to nanosetups. They are called interceptors with webs.
There are plenty of counters to interceptors with webs. They are called nanosetups with NOS.
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Draahk Chimera
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.01.12 12:55:00 -
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I read the first two pages and didnt see anyone mantion this: Many ppl stated that "use a ceptor and web him". First of all you need at least 6-7 ceptors because 4 will be hit by one nos each and cant mwd or web and the other will need to cykle mwd away from the heavy drones. If anyone in a nanosetup jumps in to 6-7 ceptors and/or any gang with a huginn he is gonna mwd back to the gate (you always reach the gate if you get one cykle of your mwd running, by the time the webs have slowed you enough you are within jump range)and jump back. If you have a gang double that and half the gang jump to counter he will simply mwd back to the gate again and again until you mess up. Or if you have only ceptors and no big damage he can always ctrl+q and dissapear from you when he is in low shields or something. I wouldnt complain if any of the following was in game:
1. Web would instantly pull you to -90% speed (rather than gradually slow you down)
2. Webs have longer range then heavy nos.
3. Re-jump time is much longer then uncloak time.
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Ryysa
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.01.12 13:18:00 -
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that would totally nerf interceptors and vagabonds :P
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wierchas noobhunter
Caldari Kemono.
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Posted - 2007.01.12 13:31:00 -
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its funny how ppl cant adapt and just whine about setups just remmeber burn eden and wcs .... and they still whine cos they use damps now oh god
if u all are to stupi just dont play this game or just
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Pharos Dei
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.12 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: wierchas noobhunter
its funny how ppl cant adapt and just whine about setups just remmeber burn eden and wcs .... and they still whine cos they use damps now oh god
if u all are to stupi just dont play this game or just
QFT!!!
jeez nano setups are so easy to counter and only require a little thought, but nooo, lets nerf it!
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Kunming
Outcasts
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Posted - 2007.01.12 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: wierchas noobhunter
its funny how ppl cant adapt and just whine about setups just remmeber burn eden and wcs .... and they still whine cos they use damps now oh god
if u all are to stupi just dont play this game or just
I have observed that the pilots out of the "Kemono." corporation have been trying to flame and troll any valid arguement put forward against nano-setups, without putting any arguement themselves, except "adapt or stfu" yeah very mature and logical thank you for the advice...
"Doesnt your corp pvp tactics involve staying and fighting like a man instead of running around like girly boys in ur speed setups?" Oh I'm just trying to lower my self to the same lvl as you... now YOU STFU and put up some valid arguements with setups and counter-setups and maths or I'll personally call mommy and daddy ISD to lock ur ass up for trolling and flaming.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.12 13:56:00 -
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Its not about stay and fight as a man or running as a girl.
But stay and fight as a stupid man or run as a smart men.
Read the Art of war before making any statements of what warfare is about.
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Laboratus
Gallente BGG
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Posted - 2007.01.12 14:05:00 -
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I really don't get the point of this thread.
Nano setups enable speed tanks. Speed tanks only work if you are not webbed, since torps/cruises/whatever have so high explosion velocities with any bonus skills, you have to go "too fast" to actually get any damage reduction. Just one web on you drops your velocity enough for turrets to track, drones to catch and missiles to rip you to bits.
Also, since you have sacrificed most of your hull hp with the nanos, a good sniper or two will rip you to bits from 100km away with a few volleys, way before you can get out of a bubble webbed, even with the "nber" setups. Best named webs 4tw... Fit 2 and he's slower than a freighter...
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Kunming
Outcasts
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Posted - 2007.01.12 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon Its not about stay and fight as a man or running as a girl.
But stay and fight as a stupid man or run as a smart men.
Read the Art of war before making any statements of what warfare is about.
Really?? thank you kind sir.. as if i would care!
I'm still waiting for the part where the valid arguements and maths pop up to make me ashamed of the crap I'm posting..
"Dual-MWD ravens" did get nerfed for a reason, dont you think? Oh I'm sorry I shouldnt overwhelm you with that many facts..
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wierchas noobhunter
Caldari Kemono.
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Posted - 2007.01.12 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Kunming
Originally by: wierchas noobhunter
its funny how ppl cant adapt and just whine about setups just remmeber burn eden and wcs .... and they still whine cos they use damps now oh god
if u all are to stupi just dont play this game or just
I have observed that the pilots out of the "Kemono." corporation have been trying to flame and troll any valid arguement put forward against nano-setups, without putting any arguement themselves, except "adapt or stfu" yeah very mature and logical thank you for the advice...
"Doesnt your corp pvp tactics involve staying and fighting like a man instead of running around like girly boys in ur speed setups?" Oh I'm just trying to lower my self to the same lvl as you... now YOU STFU and put up some valid arguements with setups and counter-setups and maths or I'll personally call mommy and daddy ISD to lock ur ass up for trolling and flaming.
we are better [ insert your corp/alaince here] we will kill [ insert your name here] we will stay and fight til we win
and i dont fly nano ships if u interested so just stfu
nano setups are only way to fights all those noobs who blob
and stop insulting my corp cos u have no idea who we are ....
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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2007.01.12 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: wierchas noobhunter
its funny how ppl cant adapt and just whine about setups just remmeber burn eden and wcs .... and they still whine cos they use damps now oh god
if u all are to stupi just dont play this game or just
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zeroh
Caldari The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion
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Posted - 2007.01.12 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ice Breaker2
Originally by: Blind Man
Originally by: MrTripps
Originally by: Ice Breaker2 the man speaks the truth.
LOL. Another familiar nanophone pilot. Mad props for finding and using that setup so well, but you know it is overpowered. That is why you use it.
The folks saying stop whining and adapt don't know what they are talking about. They haven't been fighting these setups day after day. Sure there is a counter, but it is one that requires training another race's cruiser to lvl5 along with all the other recon ship skills. If anyone thinks they are so uber they can get them otherwise they are more then welcome to run over to Obe and try.
okay, nerf nano setups, honestly we wouldn't care, and it don't change crap. we would just pwn with something else, then you would whine about whatever it is you think is overpowered then..
ok mrTripps you said if we come in comthing else we would get fair fights, but that my dear friend just insn't true. we came to visit your alliance in different ships (6slow-ass damage dealing BS to be more specific) u had 25ppl in local not including us and u guys still woudnt play, so we stoped. And u dont need to train for huginn/rapier just to stop nanophoon. every race has a ship witch is very good at stoping/making usesless a nanoBS/vaga/intys, you just need to fit them right. Some of northen alliance budies know how and has been very succeful at it. OH and nano setups are NOT overpowered in general. The people who fly them make seem so because it is us who spent millions-billions in implants, faction mwds, rigs...etc
NOS should be looked at tho, but ccp should make that intys would be still afraid of going close range to BS
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.01.12 14:15:00 -
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Web the ship. That easy. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.12 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Kunming
Originally by: Kagura Nikon Its not about stay and fight as a man or running as a girl.
But stay and fight as a stupid man or run as a smart men.
Read the Art of war before making any statements of what warfare is about.
Really?? thank you kind sir.. as if i would care!
I'm still waiting for the part where the valid arguements and maths pop up to make me ashamed of the crap I'm posting..
"Dual-MWD ravens" did get nerfed for a reason, dont you think? Oh I'm sorry I shouldnt overwhelm you with that many facts..
I am still awayting you to post any evidence that warfare should be only the way you want!
It clearly is not! There is a whole race that the concept is defense by speed. Speed only helps above 2km/s
dual MWD raven is WAY more powerfull than a nanophoon, and its not a ship supposed to go fast.. Matari ships ARE supposed to go fast!
I am amazed how no one disscovered why so many nanos in use today. Simple. Warp Core Stab nerf! Lows to sapare go to nanos. Because a lot of people don't want to get into a fight with zero chance of getting out. You may not like this concept.. but is part of the game and lots of people want it.. its clearly the way for a matar ship to fight.
Again.. go learn about warfare then try to speak as how someone should fight.
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wierchas noobhunter
Caldari Kemono.
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Posted - 2007.01.12 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Originally by: Kunming
Originally by: Kagura Nikon Its not about stay and fight as a man or running as a girl.
But stay and fight as a stupid man or run as a smart men.
Read the Art of war before making any statements of what warfare is about.
Really?? thank you kind sir.. as if i would care!
I'm still waiting for the part where the valid arguements and maths pop up to make me ashamed of the crap I'm posting..
"Dual-MWD ravens" did get nerfed for a reason, dont you think? Oh I'm sorry I shouldnt overwhelm you with that many facts..
I am still awayting you to post any evidence that warfare should be only the way you want!
It clearly is not! There is a whole race that the concept is defense by speed. Speed only helps above 2km/s
dual MWD raven is WAY more powerfull than a nanophoon, and its not a ship supposed to go fast.. Matari ships ARE supposed to go fast!
I am amazed how no one disscovered why so many nanos in use today. Simple. Warp Core Stab nerf! Lows to sapare go to nanos. Because a lot of people don't want to get into a fight with zero chance of getting out. You may not like this concept.. but is part of the game and lots of people want it.. its clearly the way for a matar ship to fight.
Again.. go learn about warfare then try to speak as how someone should fight.
have to agree with u
nano ships are hardest ships to fly u need to be skilled and know how to pvp with them cos u need to make just one mistake and then die problem is that most of nano pilots are more skilled and better pvpers then those guys who whine here
its soo much time was told on eve forums adapt or die
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar UK Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.12 14:22:00 -
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From the OP:
I just think all the other races are finally seeing how much fun it is being Minmatar and are trying to compensate
QFT.
This is such a depressing thread to read.
Flying Minmatar is skill-intensive enough as it is. Now because a few folks fail to adapt or try different tactics the cry goes out "nerf this-nerf that".
For the record...I don't fly BB's and have no wish to.
But..nano-whatever's die too regardless of fittings. It just takes teamwork and skill to do it-and chasing away either is as good as a kill. Props to the guys who trained the skills to fly the things in the first place. And at ludicrous speed it is NOT easy to keep guns/NOS on target before zooming out of range is it? And when they land within a bubble filled with webs/scram points they go poof pretty quick
The nano's/istabs allow my Rifter-Stabber-Rupture- Cyclone a chance to get into 7.5km scram/web range and tightly orbit the target sticking 2 pts/web to it while using a NOS (or 2) to help keep cap-intensive mods running and cause more headaches (cap drain) for the target. In return I sacrifice my limited ability to tank armor/shield and rely on speed (and well-trained NAV skills) to mitigate damage.
The same nano/istabs also allow our zippy duct-taped ships to align on a dime and get into warp quick as well as having a reasonable chance to escape bubbles.
These mods reward the pilot who invests significant SP in the Navigation skills just as you missile/drone spammers get rewards for training those skills..right? Missiles that never miss..drones...I cringe when I see drones heading towards me....especially when I have only targets/gates enabled on my overview.
And...I really enjoy being able to hit speeds in excess of 3km/s in a Rifter and >2km/s in a Stabber for that special feeling of zoom zoom
Adapt or die...nothing is fair!
p.s. Someone mentioned cruisers are redundant now as screens for the heavies/anti-frigate support. You are wrong
p.p.s. Leave NOS alone too. It is..again..sacrificing one thing (damage ability) for another (sucking your cap dry).
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