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Qwelas Tagus
Hard Rock MERCS Academy
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Posted - 2015.12.01 20:48:16 -
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So I just finished all the carrear tutorials and like most players I'm lost. So I would like to get some advice.
1st- I either want to focus on combat our in mining, so considering combat I am doing some money doing security missions lvl1 but they dont give much money and people tell me that its hard to do lvl2 missions with my Catalyst and I cant afford a cruiser, so is this true, and is there a better way to get money doing combat without agent missions (not doing PvP)?
2nd- About mining is it a better money making method? And if I go the mining way do I lose much combat potencial, I want to try PvP later in the game and I dont know if I go mining I will even be able to because of the skills.
3rd- I didnt understand what is the advantages of going scaning and if it is a good money making method.
Thanks in advance for the help! And good game to every one. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1734
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Posted - 2015.12.01 21:43:19 -
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Did lvl2 in a Corax, so would say Catalyst s fine, just try it. Doing missions up to lvl4 is IMO the best starter ISK in highsec. Rat bounties elsewhere in high are not worth the ammo. Combat exploration for DED sites is also an option, but in high you have a lot of competition, however scanning skills are a kind of Swiss Army knife in EvE. They also open up wormhole travel and things like combat probing for lost drones. The relic hacking profession is very profitable in nullsec, and somewhat in low, but crap in high.
Of course there are other ISK sources, like trading, PI or manufacturing, but I can't tell you much about that, cause it's not appealing to me. Some things involve PvP, so ganking can be very lucrative if you want to spend the logistic effort of multiple accounts. Personally I'm funding my PvP ships now mostly from loot, and occasional relic site tours in nullsec.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Solai
Calibrated Chaos
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Posted - 2015.12.01 22:03:54 -
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Mining in Eve doesn't scale well into the future - At the very beginning, it's a good option when you're new and kinda lost, but other money-making activities quickly out-strip it. Once that occurs, and if you've decided(like most, but not all) that mining is rather boring, you will find that the skills and equipment you've sought for mining are no longer useful, in general.
Here's what's always useful, though: Frigate skills, and cruiser skills. And the ability to fly a wide variety of ships, even if you fly them badly.
Since you know you're interested in PVP(good to hear - this game is largely defined by PVP), then I'd suggest training towards a cruiser. A thorax or vexor would be good, since it sounds like you've got a head start on gallente ships. The cruiser will support a wide variety of activities, including level 2 and 3 missions, which will escalate your mission-running income.
Alternatively, you could gain your ISK by other means.
Such as salvaging wrecks. The skills required to do it are quite mild - you want 4 tractor beams, and 4 salvagers. Fitting your destroyer for salvaging is a very solid early means of income. I made my first billion via a dedicated salvaging operation.
You could also look at selling your loot, salvage, etc at one of Eve's primary markets via sell orders, to maximize your profit per item. I wrote a little about that just now over here - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6198299#post6198299
The rewards may seem quite small during this early phase. They are! But once you hit your next breakpoint, such as level 2 or 3 missions, and can do them comfortably and safely, things will accelerate. Or you could focus on salvaging, or market trading - these things are not highly limited by your SP, but instead by how quickly you learn the ins and outs of the Eve environment.
Another popular means of income is Exploration. There are many guides out there on this profession. It's rate of income is irregular, and somewhat SP-dependent, but has high early payoff potential. Scanning/exploration is a whole 'nother topic, so you're better off searching an Eve exploration guide on google to get an idea of how that works.
And of course missions are steady and reliable. But it bores many people out of the game if they don't branch out. It's one of the weakest parts of Eve; it's a socially-driven game.
Good luck, and feel free to keep asking questions. |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
979
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Posted - 2015.12.01 22:12:03 -
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You are going about it all wrong and asking all the wrong questions
Most other MMO have some formula. Meaning that there is a "best way" to make in game money and a "best spec" or "best rotation" or "best in slot" gear. Eve is not that kind of game. Try out lots of different things and figure out what you enjoy and then find out how to make isk doing that.
You can make isk doing anything in this game so asking questions about how to make isk without telling us what you enjoy is kind of pointless.
As far as skills mining skills are specific to mining. Most combat skills will be not of much use in mining. However a very large portion of the skills that you need to pilot a ship well are generic meaning that you'll use them no matter what you fly.
Skills having to do with things like: fitting, propulsion, agility, targeting, etc... you need for all ships.
Each level of skill takes 5 times longer to train than the previous level. Up to level 3 takes very little time for most skills. Even 4 is not so bad. It's not until you start training level 5 skills that it's "OMG" long. So don't be afraid to spread your skills around and try out different things. Getting level 3 skills in something does not take long at all.
So try out: scanning, and mining, and various types of PvE combat and maybe even some PvP and see what you like. |
Qwelas Tagus
Hard Rock MERCS Academy
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Posted - 2015.12.01 22:41:11 -
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Thanks for all the advices, if anyone got another one pls let me know still open for more advices. |
Kaska Iskalar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.12.01 23:05:05 -
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Qwelas Tagus wrote:So I just finished all the carrear tutorials and like most players I'm lost. So I would like to get some advice. 1st- I either want to focus on combat our in mining, so considering combat I am doing some money doing security missions lvl1 but they dont give much money and people tell me that its hard to do lvl2 missions with my Catalyst and I cant afford a cruiser, so is this true, and is there a better way to get money doing combat without agent missions (not doing PvP)? 2nd- About mining is it a better money making method? And if I go the mining way do I lose much combat potencial, I want to try PvP later in the game and I dont know if I go mining I will even be able to because of the skills. 3rd- I didnt understand what is the advantages of going scaning and if it is a good money making method. Thanks in advance for the help! And good game to every one.
1. Go to Arnon and do the Sisters of Eve lv1 epic arc. It'll get you about 10 to 15 million ISK or something like that. Plus it's good for standings.
2. Mining is the worst way to make money, but the best way to make you suicidal.
3. Exploration data/relic sites. It's okay money, but not in high sec. If you want to do it get a probing frig with a couple of stabs, a MWD and a cloak and head to low sec. |
Tyrendian Biohazard
Ubiquitous Hurt The WeHurt Initiative
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Posted - 2015.12.01 23:09:47 -
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Exploration can be very good money for new players. Data and Relic sites in null-sec (and pirate sites in wormhole space) can bring a great income without having to do combat. Being in those areas can net you some great survival experience. With mediocre skills (a month of training, max), I was doing around 50m isk/hr.
Mission running doesn't really make great money at the beginning. Once you hit level 4s you can farm, farm, farm.
Another option is running the DED combat sites (or another sites that are probed out). These can drop faction or DED modules which, depending on what drops, can sell for good money. A list of the ranked sites is here. Other sites can provide escalations to other sites which build off one another and make you travel around.
The problem with exploration as compared to mission running is that mission running can be fairly steady income, while exploration is hit or miss. Some nights you may come back to your home station with 200m, other nights 5m.
Personally, I prefer exploration (data, relic, or combat sites) over mission running. You get a chance to see different areas, learn survival skills, and potentially shoot people or get shot at. All of which can be a great learning experience.
My twitch stream to help new players. CEO of New Hurt: UHURT New Pilot Training Initiative.
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Ginnie
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2015.12.01 23:13:17 -
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This character is new and she is mining and manufacturing. I run mining missions for Caldari Steel (Level 1s) and before returning to base, I stop by an asteroid field and fill up my Ore hold. My main runs Level 4s pretty much exclusively now. Frankly, running security missions didn't become relatively easy for me until I was able to use all of the Tech 2s I need for my BS.
To start, I would download EVEMon and create a skills plan and stick to it. I wasted a lot of time on my main, years and years ago now, bouncing between different skills and professionals. Also keep in mind that just because you can fly a BS doesn't mean you are ready for Lvl 4s (or a cruiser or BC for Lvl 3s).
I know there are a lot of haters out there, but the ship Mastery levels aren't a horrible place to start either. |
Qwelas Tagus
Hard Rock MERCS Academy
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Posted - 2015.12.02 09:39:47 -
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Ginnie wrote:This character is new and she is mining and manufacturing. I run mining missions for Caldari Steel (Level 1s) and before returning to base, I stop by an asteroid field and fill up my Ore hold. My main runs Level 4s pretty much exclusively now. Frankly, running security missions didn't become relatively easy for me until I was able to use all of the Tech 2s I need for my BS.
To start, I would download EVEMon and create a skills plan and stick to it. I wasted a lot of time on my main, years and years ago now, bouncing between different skills and professionals. Also keep in mind that just because you can fly a BS doesn't mean you are ready for Lvl 4s (or a cruiser or BC for Lvl 3s).
I know there are a lot of haters out there, but the ship Mastery levels aren't a horrible place to start either.
Do you get any bonus from the ship Masttery level? |
Qwelas Tagus
Hard Rock MERCS Academy
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Posted - 2015.12.02 09:47:14 -
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Does anyone recomend any guide/tutorial for exploration our combat missions focused to newbies? |
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Sansh Leko
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.02 10:03:03 -
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Hi and wellcome to EVE
I searched for some youtube channels that can give you detailed intro in exploration.
Here you can find guide videos named Exploration Character that includes Ship fittings, Skills, Hacking guide etc.
EVE Forever
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
9468
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Posted - 2015.12.02 11:44:49 -
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Can't you tag along with a corpie and get some hands-on advice from them? Practical experience would be beneficial here :)
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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Ginnie
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2015.12.02 16:37:29 -
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Qwelas Tagus wrote:
Do you get any bonus from the ship Masttery level?
You don't really get an added bonus for the Mastery levels, but its not a horrible "table of contents" or "index" for navigating the skills you might be interested in. I would pick the ship I want to fly and work on the Mastery levels for that ship. I'm not saying that every skill listed under the Mastery is ideal and necessary for ever pilot, but it helps sort out all of the possible skills available.
UniWiki also has some pages on specific professions and they list all of the applicable skills for the profession. Again, not a bad place to start. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1751
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Posted - 2015.12.02 20:19:47 -
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Qwelas Tagus wrote:Does anyone recomend any guide/tutorial for exploration our combat missions focused to newbies? The elite explorer I learned most of the tricks from by watching his videos is Jonny Pew (check YouTube).
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
5562
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Posted - 2015.12.02 20:47:06 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:Qwelas Tagus wrote:Does anyone recomend any guide/tutorial for exploration our combat missions focused to newbies? The elite explorer I learned most of the tricks from by watching his videos is Jonny Pew (check YouTube). https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/community-spotlight-jonny-pew/ |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1751
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Posted - 2015.12.02 20:57:42 -
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Cool, didn't know this spotlight article.
His invention of the "relic ceptor" is still one of the best fit innovations I've seen in the game.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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