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MrsPotatoHead
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.12.09 10:52:16 -
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Hi all,
Ok I've been searching the internet for the mechanics and haven't been able to find a definitive answer.
We'll use Corp A and Corp B
Corp A wardecs Corp B Corp B makes the wardec mutual Corp A wants to end the war
How does corp A end the war? If corp B won't accept the surrender does that mean the war is permanent?
I have searched for an answer but can't find anything that makes it clear what happens.
Thanks. |
Ynot Eyob
S.A.S Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.12.09 11:25:33 -
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If i rember right, Corp A can retract the WAR after 1 week, even though corp B made it mutual.
But dont hang me if it wrong, i know it got changed 2 years ago as one huge alliance who decced someone else ended in an ongoing WAR.
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MrsPotatoHead
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.12.09 11:35:43 -
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Ynot Eyob wrote:If i rember right, Corp A can retract the WAR after 1 week, even though corp B made it mutual.
But dont hang me if it wrong, i know it got changed 2 years ago as one huge alliance who decced someone else ended in an ongoing WAR.
Yeah that's all the things I could find and it's been so long since I've been involved in any wars. 0.0 life and Faction warfare have kept me away from it.
Everything I was reading seems to go back to 2012/13 when Dec Shield were about.
Cheers for the reply. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2015.12.09 14:19:21 -
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In fact the only time you can ever retract a war is when someone makes it mutual.
Why is this the only time you can retract a war? Who knows. |
MrsPotatoHead
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.12.09 15:23:09 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:In fact the only time you can ever retract a war is when someone makes it mutual.
Why is this the only time you can retract a war? Who knows.
Coming from you guys I would assume you know what you're on about :)
I understand you to be well versed in these areas. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2015.12.09 16:54:14 -
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Mutual wars presently are barely a thing. The only function they have is to allow the aggressor to maintain the war for free. The functionality of locking the aggressor into the war is removed entirely as onice the war is made mutual the aggressor can then retract at any point. Simeltaneously the ability to retract wars under any other circumstance is also removed, meaning unless one party surrenders the minimum duration of any war will be a week.
What this means in practice is that it's much less likely for a defender to cause a war to end early by fighting the aggressor, whereas previously beating the poo out of an aggressor early in a war would often prompt the aggressor to retract the war, now they can't do that, they have to surrender instead, which generally speaking they won't do.
Ultimately it's a mechanics change that lead to defenders no longer being able to actually achieve the objective of ending wars by fighting. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2015.12.09 17:18:57 -
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Quote:Why is this the only time you can retract a war? Who knows.
My guess would be that they want the aggressor to be "invested" for at least a week, normally, but they also wanted to prevent, e.g.;
Corp A decs Corp B. Corp B makes dec mutual. All members of Corp B, save one alt, abandon the corp and form a new one.
Corp A now has a war on the books forever, or until they "surrender" to the empty corp.
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Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
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Posted - 2015.12.09 20:09:58 -
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if the war was made mutual. you cant surrender for 2 weeks.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2015.12.10 15:40:28 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:My guess would be that they want the aggressor to be "invested" for at least a week, normally I think that's what they were going for too, however there's a huge logical failure in that reasoning. If an aggressor wants to end a war, and the defender wants to cause the war to end who benefits by having the aggressor locked in for a week? Literally nobody benefits from the inability of the aggressor to retract a war.
It's just a little ill-conceived. |
MrsPotatoHead
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.12.11 12:54:50 -
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Ok, so submitted a ticket to CCP to find out the exact mechanics.
Turns out basically that unless the Defender, corp B, accepts the Surrender then the war is permanent with no way out for Corp A.
The response is something along the lines of "Because most people in-game know about how it works then it's not really a broken system"
The solution is to create a corp for when you want to declare wars and when you're done, quit that corp.
A little bit bummed out by this response and the mechanic in general but hey-ho guess I'll just have to work with it for now. |
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Marius Labo
Licence To Kill Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2016.03.02 22:01:28 -
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Obviously we don't know the content of your ticket to CCP so I'm not sure what the fail here is. I suspect the question and answer in the ticket was focused entirely on the surrender mechanic.
Surrenders have to be accepted by the other party or a war continues, however, if the war is mutual then the original aggressor can retract the war and the war will end after the 24 hour cool down.
Sources: http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-retribution-1 Look under "War Changes"
Forums: https://forums.testeveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2159028#post2159028
So, given your scenario:
Corp A wardecs Corp B Corp B makes the wardec mutual Corp A wants to end the war
Corp A simply retracts the war, and it will end. Keep in mind this is different than offering a surrender, which the other side must accept for it to go into effect.
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