Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Ginnie
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
29
|
Posted - 2015.12.10 17:26:46 -
[1] - Quote
Hi all,
I spent the last week doing some exploration and learned a few important lessons I wanted to share in case anyone was interested; I also have a few questions below as well. I have only been exploring in High Sec and try to stay in .5 to .7 systems.
(1) I started off by using my Gnosis because it has a bonus to probes. However, I soon realized that I wasn't able to use it for many of the DED sites I found. In two hours, I found three DED site all of which were 3/10s. Therefore, I decided to switch to my Navy Omen instead.
I believe, and please correct me if I am wrong, but a BC can only enter 4/10 or higher. Do both 4/10s and 5/10s appear in High Sec?
(2) In certain systems, there is a lot of competition for DED sites. I was about half way through one and this Merlin pops in runs to the final room and clears it before I get there...kind of sucked, but, hey, I was having fun so I didn't really care. I moved to an entirely different region this week and found the number of explorers is significantly less.
Although I gave up hunting down Sansha scum for Blood Raiders, I wonder if that has something to do with it...quality of loot?
(3) I found a Data Site, warped in, found four vaults, looted one and four Mallers appeared. I guess, I had a bit of a brain freeze or something and forgot to turn on my Armor Repairer so I warped out when my armor was at about 10%. I thought, I would repair my armor come back and finish them off. Well, I guess once you loot one vault, the site disappears. I lost 5 Navy Acolytes as well, because I warped out before they could dock up. Going forward, I will bookmark the sites and not remove them until I have finished looting everything I want.
In all of the DED sites I have found, about ten total now, only a few of them appear on the DED Complex List website. I cleared a few called Blood Hideout or something like that (it wasn't a Hideaway that would appear for everyone with or without probes) and Drone Gathering, Wreckage? I think (it was just frigates no cruisers or BCs). Is there are better website for a complete list of DED sites? I don't think they were Ghost Sites as I found a few of those as well, but, may be I am wrong.
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream. -Edgar Allan Poe
|
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
921
|
Posted - 2015.12.10 17:35:24 -
[2] - Quote
Gnosis is not best for hisec. A Stratios is a good all-in-one, but the tactical destroyers do all of the combat sites pretty easily. Alternate solution to the Stratios is a Gila or Ishtar. The Astero is really good for the data and relic sites, plus the 1/10 and 2/10 combat sites.
That data site sounds like a ghost site. There is a timer once you warp in, you might be able to hack 1 or 2 cans, but not all of them. An AOE effect goes off doing massive damage, then some pirate NPCs show up. So if you can tank the initial AOE damage, then the rats, you should be able to stay in the site. However, I believe the cans are no longer hackable after that, can't remember as I don't do them a lot. |
Ginnie
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
29
|
Posted - 2015.12.10 18:31:09 -
[3] - Quote
Very interesting...that would make sense. I pretty much went from full shields and armor to about 25% armor almost instantaneously, I thought it was the damage I was taking from the Mallers and my own failure to activate my Armor Repairer.
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream. -Edgar Allan Poe
|
Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
544
|
Posted - 2015.12.10 18:33:45 -
[4] - Quote
First of all: nicely done and good attitude!
The highest ded site you can find in hisec is 4/10's however they are a bit rare.
|
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1797
|
Posted - 2015.12.10 18:42:03 -
[5] - Quote
Ghost sides appear as data sites since this Tuesday (December patch). They give you about 10-30s hidden timer upon arrival on grid (worse now with the bigger grids ...) to hack, loot, gtfo. Then a quite potent NPC force will come after the cans and you, first explode the cans then you. If you interrupt or fail a hack the can will explode and kill you, if you are not tanky enough.
One trick is to warp in, figure the can with the different name than the others, MWD, hack, loot, gtfo. Usually this can has the best loot. But don't fail the hack, even when NPCs arrive, complete the hack, you will die otherwise.
If you want to fit something tanking enough, trail and error on SiSi test server first (never tried myself, was always going cheap and hacked the one can).
... else keep going with exploration, it's fun and rewarding, once you step up to nullsec sites.
I'm my own NPC alt.
|
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
3241
|
Posted - 2015.12.10 18:46:33 -
[6] - Quote
Ghost sites, as with many other data and relic sites are best completed with a cargo scanner. You will be able to get the most valuable loot.
5/10 DED sites can be in high sec if you are lucky following a Den Combat Anomaly.
If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
|
Ginnie
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
29
|
Posted - 2015.12.10 18:54:48 -
[7] - Quote
Excellent advice. Thanks so much! I'll try it out this evening.
Clearly, I did not have the right strategy for this site; I thought it was like the other Data Sites I had encountered.
As a follow up question, I noticed that some sites are really hard to lock onto and others are very easy...I presume this has to do with the quality of the site? I would also guess that skills help with that? I have astrometrics to five, but don't have any of the supporting skills (e.g. pinpointing).
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream. -Edgar Allan Poe
|
Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
20
|
Posted - 2015.12.10 18:57:13 -
[8] - Quote
Forget about high-sec exploration! Data and relic sites are worth nothing and DED 1-4/10 sites are a perfect example of "rat race". Train interceptor and try low & null sec! |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1797
|
Posted - 2015.12.10 19:15:07 -
[9] - Quote
Altair Taurus wrote:Forget about high-sec exploration! Data and relic sites are worth nothing and DED 1-4/10 sites are a perfect example of "rat race". Train interceptor and try low & null sec!
However keep in mind pure exploration (running data & relic sites) is not very profitable even in null-sec. While you can occasionally find very expensive stuff on average you earn less ISK than during level 4 missions running. On the other hand combat exploration in low and null sec can be very lucrative because one DED site can drop module worth several hundred millions ISK! Well, combat exploration is harder because you have to train T3 strategic cruiser and you have to invest several hundred millions ISK to purchase it. Agreed, relic/data in high is training ground only. Combat (4/10, 5/10) can be decent, but I tend to say, stealing other's loot is more fun than doing them yourself.
However relic exploration in nullsec is at least on par with optimized lvl4 mission running, better if lucky. Recently I completed a 6h run in Sansha space with my trusty "relic ceptor" and about 750m ISK, never returned with less than 500m, once hit the 1B in 4h.
I'm my own NPC alt.
|
Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
20
|
Posted - 2015.12.10 19:26:46 -
[10] - Quote
Well, non-combat exploration is a "random walk" - you can find decent loot quickly but often after several hours spent in null-sec you have to return to high-sec with loot worth...several dozen millions ISK in your cargohold! Moreover add hugely greater risk associated with flying through null-sec with safety of high-sec mission running. Additionally mission running can be done continuously with constant/predictable income. |
|
Ginnie
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
29
|
Posted - 2015.12.10 19:32:07 -
[11] - Quote
Honestly, I decided to try out exploration because I was getting bored with running missions. I have pretty much exclusively done missions and ratting in High Sec and Null. I've never really spent time in Low Sec, frankly, I'm kind of nervous about trying...
Exploration is more unpredictable than running missions and thus I find it more fun!
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream. -Edgar Allan Poe
|
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1797
|
Posted - 2015.12.10 19:48:47 -
[12] - Quote
... and learn about the explorer's home Thera and https://www.eve-scout.com . You want to be able to travel by wormholes like you used to travel by gates.
I'm my own NPC alt.
|
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
53128
|
Posted - 2015.12.11 03:18:35 -
[13] - Quote
Due to large amount of competition in high security, it's best to have both scanning and ship support skills trained up and also use top level equipment. That will help find and complete the sites asap.
To help minimize the chance of other explorers entering the sites and getting the final loot drop while you're engaged with NPC's, look for sites in systems that are far from Mission and Trade hubs, systems that are off the beaten track with low amount of jumps, low amount of population, low amount of ship and NPC kills, etc. Use the Starmap to view those system stats.
As for Exploration Combat sites, there's 2 main categories - Cosmic Anomaly and Cosmic Signature.
Cosmic Anomaly combat sites are good to run when there's no other sites available. These sites have a small chance to spawn Commander NPC's that might drop Faction loot and the sites themselves have an even lower chance to escalate to expedition. If they do escalate, it will be one time to a DED Rated Complex.
Cosmic Signature combat sites have 2 categories available - DED Rated Complexes and Unrated Complexes.
DED Rated Complexes won't escalate to expedition but they have a good chance to drop Faction loot. Unrated Complexes have a good chance to escalate to expedition, up to 4 times with a small chance to drop Faction loot each time.
The lists linked above are actually close to being accurate and up to date.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
|
magnum033
BLACK SQUADRON. RAZOR Alliance
4
|
Posted - 2015.12.12 10:56:49 -
[14] - Quote
What kind of sites do people run then in asteros?
I've just left wh space and use to catch people on wormholes all the time. However I never knew what kind of site they were looking for?
I was under the impression all the sites had some sort of combat NPC in them?
Thanks |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
283
|
Posted - 2015.12.12 13:22:39 -
[15] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Due to large amount of competition in high security, it's best to have both scanning and ship support skills trained up and also use top level equipment. That will help find and complete the sites asap. To help minimize the chance of other explorers entering the sites and getting the final loot drop while you're engaged with NPC's, look for sites in systems that are far from Mission and Trade hubs, systems that are off the beaten track with low amount of jumps, low amount of population, low amount of ship and NPC kills, etc. Use the Starmap to view those system stats. As for Exploration Combat sites, there's 2 main categories - Cosmic Anomaly and Cosmic Signature. Cosmic Anomaly combat sites are good to run when there's no other sites available. These sites have a small chance to spawn Commander NPC's that might drop Faction loot and the sites themselves have an even lower chance to escalate to expedition. If they do escalate, it will be one time to a DED Rated Complex. Cosmic Signature combat sites have 2 categories available - DED Rated Complexes and Unrated Complexes. DED Rated Complexes won't escalate to expedition but they have a good chance to drop Faction loot. Unrated Complexes have a good chance to escalate to expedition, up to 4 times with a small chance to drop Faction loot each time. The lists linked above are actually close to being accurate and up to date. DMC
Can 2 Passive Lokis do 10/10s in NPC null space?
|
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
283
|
Posted - 2015.12.12 13:24:08 -
[16] - Quote
Tipa Riot wrote:Altair Taurus wrote:Forget about high-sec exploration! Data and relic sites are worth nothing and DED 1-4/10 sites are a perfect example of "rat race". Train interceptor and try low & null sec!
However keep in mind pure exploration (running data & relic sites) is not very profitable even in null-sec. While you can occasionally find very expensive stuff on average you earn less ISK than during level 4 missions running. On the other hand combat exploration in low and null sec can be very lucrative because one DED site can drop module worth several hundred millions ISK! Well, combat exploration is harder because you have to train T3 strategic cruiser and you have to invest several hundred millions ISK to purchase it. Agreed, relic/data in high is training ground only. Combat (4/10, 5/10) can be decent, but I tend to say, stealing other's loot is more fun than doing them yourself. However relic exploration in nullsec is at least on par with optimized lvl4 mission running, better if lucky. Recently I completed a 6h run in Sansha space with my trusty "relic ceptor" and about 750m ISK, never returned with less than 500m, once hit the 1B in 4h.
Relic Ceptors? Care to show a fit?
|
Bulgr en Bauldry
Rogue Clones Yulai Federation
0
|
Posted - 2015.12.12 14:49:04 -
[17] - Quote
Omnathious Deninard wrote:Ghost sites, as with many other data and relic sites are best completed with a cargo scanner. You will be able to get the most valuable loot.
5/10 DED sites can be in high sec if you are lucky following a Den Combat Anomaly.
And this is why i have to waste so much time scanning down and hacking cherrypicked sites. If you cherrypick in less than dire danger situation, you are hurting your income and everyones elses income, since the sites only re spawn somewhere else if they are completed.
Just gross, its like eating a beef from hamburger, then moving on...to next one |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
3243
|
Posted - 2015.12.12 16:04:11 -
[18] - Quote
Bulgr en Bauldry wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:Ghost sites, as with many other data and relic sites are best completed with a cargo scanner. You will be able to get the most valuable loot.
5/10 DED sites can be in high sec if you are lucky following a Den Combat Anomaly. And this is why i have to waste so much time scanning down and hacking cherrypicked sites. If you cherrypick in less than dire danger situation, you are hurting your income and everyones elses income, since the sites only re spawn somewhere else if they are completed.
I am keeping my income in stable as if everything form every site is taken then the massive influx of exploitation loot will cause the value of the loot to drop even further.
Plus if you are wasting your time finishing cherry picked sites, that gives me a better chance to grab the new sites as they spawn, so thanks for that at least.
If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
|
Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
224
|
Posted - 2015.12.12 16:48:02 -
[19] - Quote
Ginnie wrote: (3) I found a Data Site, warped in, found four vaults, looted one and four Mallers appeared. I guess, I had a bit of a brain freeze or something and forgot to turn on my Armor Repairer so I warped out when my armor was at about 10%. I thought, I would repair my armor come back and finish them off. Well, I guess once you loot one vault, the site disappears. I lost 5 Navy Acolytes as well, because I warped out before they could dock up. Going forward, I will bookmark the sites and not remove them until I have finished looting everything I want.
Yeah, I lost a combat site and some T1 warriors that way because I screwed up agro and had to warp out.
I can has blogging skills!
|
Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
24
|
Posted - 2015.12.12 16:48:07 -
[20] - Quote
Ginnie: Try exploration in sparsely populated low-sec systems - best in Amarr space, because one third of Amarr Empire constitutes low-sec. I think this is much safer than traveling trough null-sec due to lack of bubbled gate camps while enjoying similarly unpopulated environment.
Anyway I suppose CCP nerfed DED sites spawn rate in low-sec! I have found no DEDs in low-sec for two days of exploration but large amount of wormholes and unrated sites instead. |
|
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1824
|
Posted - 2015.12.12 23:44:50 -
[21] - Quote
Daniela Doran wrote:
Relic Ceptors? Care to show a fit?
The original idea was invented by Jonny Pew / Sir Livingston, here is one of my versions:
--- Ares
Damage Control II Inertial Stabilizers II Inertial Stabilizers II Inertial Stabilizers II
5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive Scan Rangefinding Array II Relic Analyzer II
Prototype Cloaking Device I Core Probe Launcher II Salvager I
Small Emission Scope Sharpener II Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II ---
Please be aware, that flying an unbonused ship requires decent skills, the stats for me are: 1.8s align, 10 AU/s warp, scan strength 79 with sisters probes, and 130/30 for hacking. The restrained MWD is handy for those long Thera warps, and the dmc may help surviving a Smartbomb camp.
EDIT: this fit with probes is about 35m, hence dirt cheap, and almost uncatchable.
I'm my own NPC alt.
|
Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
24
|
Posted - 2015.12.13 00:48:56 -
[22] - Quote
Yes! As I said before interceptor is very good choice if you want to explore in null-sec using gates to travel. Of course you should train Archeology to IV or V and maybe invest in Sisters Core Scanner Probe to gain more sensor strength but it would add 37 mil. ISK to your initial investment cost in this activity. Notice the best side of interceptor is large degree of safety in null-sec. I think much higher than cov-ops T2 exploration frigate. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
53161
|
Posted - 2015.12.13 04:30:43 -
[23] - Quote
magnum033 wrote:What kind of sites do people run then in asteros?
I've just left wh space and use to catch people on wormholes all the time. However I never knew what kind of site they were looking for?
I was under the impression all the sites had some sort of combat NPC in them?
Thanks Well, it's a Frigate so it's probably limited on which sites it can complete. Guess in a worm-hole it's probably being used to run the Pirate Hacking sites which don't have any NPC's on guard. I highly doubt it could stand up to Sleepers.
Daniela Doran wrote:Can 2 Passive Lokis do 10/10s in NPC null space?
Wish I knew, I've never done any high level exploration sites in Null Sec.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
|
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1825
|
Posted - 2015.12.13 06:50:45 -
[24] - Quote
Altair Taurus wrote:Yes! As I said before interceptor is very good choice if you want to explore in null-sec using gates to travel. Of course you should train Archeology to IV or V and maybe invest in Sisters Core Scanner Probe to gain more sensor strength but it would add 37 mil. ISK to your initial investment cost in this activity. Notice the best side of interceptor is large degree of safety in null-sec. I think much higher than cov-ops T2 exploration frigate (training time is exactly the same!). Iirc, the sisters probe launcher takes me from 79 with T2 launcher to 83 strength, not worth doubling the price of the ship imo. But sisters core probes are a must, x8 are about 4m.
I'm my own NPC alt.
|
Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
27
|
Posted - 2015.12.13 10:45:35 -
[25] - Quote
Tipa Riot wrote: Iirc, the sisters probe launcher takes me from 79 with T2 launcher to 83 strength, not worth doubling the price of the ship imo. But sisters core probes are a must, x8 are about 4m.
iirc, the Sisters Core Probe Launcher! I think Sisters gear is worth it because T2 launcher requires much more training (Astrometrics V) and as I checked in EFT in my case Sisters Core Probe Launcher still offers better scan strength than those two (all launchers loaded with Sisters Core Scanner Probes):
T1 - 89.05 T2 - 92.92 Sisters - 97.34 |
Bulgr en Bauldry
Rogue Clones Yulai Federation
1
|
Posted - 2015.12.13 14:58:15 -
[26] - Quote
Omnathious Deninard wrote:Bulgr en Bauldry wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:Ghost sites, as with many other data and relic sites are best completed with a cargo scanner. You will be able to get the most valuable loot.
5/10 DED sites can be in high sec if you are lucky following a Den Combat Anomaly. And this is why i have to waste so much time scanning down and hacking cherrypicked sites. If you cherrypick in less than dire danger situation, you are hurting your income and everyones elses income, since the sites only re spawn somewhere else if they are completed. I am keeping my income in stable as if everything form every site is taken then the massive influx of exploitation loot will cause the value of the loot to drop even further. Plus if you are wasting your time finishing cherry picked sites, that gives me a better chance to grab the new sites as they spawn, so thanks for that at least.
Id guess im minority, so dont get too excited, if i were you id hope not to run into my own cherrypicked sites in long detours. Because it bloody sucks to scan things down for nothing. As for your flooding logic, i dont see how collecting 95% value of site and leaving 5% hanging there will reduce flood of anything. That logic only works if you digest your own cherrypicked sites later(or wait for others to spawn)
Anyway your post is inconsistent,claiming to save eve from flood of hack items, while secretly happy that after cherrypicking, there is someone who enables you to cherrypick even more. *boggle*
As for the flood, i think it already is here, ive been exploring in very many widely separated nullsec places and more often than not had competition for sites or simply no sites at all. So maybe it already is overexploited. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
53161
|
Posted - 2015.12.13 21:31:33 -
[27] - Quote
Omnathious Deninard wrote:I am keeping my income in stable as if everything form every site is taken then the massive influx of exploitation loot will cause the value of the loot to drop even further.
Plus if you are wasting your time finishing cherry picked sites, that gives me a better chance to grab the new sites as they spawn, so thanks for that at least. Another classic example of the Min/Max Blitz Instant Gratification mentality currently plaguing this game. Basically Dire Straits = Money for nothing and the ISK for free.
Hopefully CCP will soon fix this problem by making Hacking containers impervious to scans, along with Overseer and Commander NPC's..
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
|
Ginnie
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
33
|
Posted - 2015.12.14 16:34:49 -
[28] - Quote
Altair Taurus wrote:Ginnie: Try exploration in sparsely populated low-sec systems - best in Amarr space, because one third of Amarr Empire constitutes low-sec. I think this is much safer than traveling trough null-sec due to lack of bubbled gate camps while enjoying similarly unpopulated environment.
Anyway I suppose CCP nerfed DED sites spawn rate in low-sec! I have found no DEDs in low-sec for two days of exploration but large amount of wormholes and unrated sites instead.
First of all, I completely agree! There are many sparsely populated systems, in general, at lease where I hang around. I'd like to get a little more comfortable with the various sites in High Sec first, before moving into Low Sec. Also, I dont have the best skills for exploration at the moment either...I only have Astrometics to V I don't have any of the supprorting skills like Pinpointing. Also, Hacking and Archaeology is at I only.
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream. -Edgar Allan Poe
|
Ginnie
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
33
|
Posted - 2015.12.14 16:42:09 -
[29] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Another classic example of the Min/Max Blitz Instant Gratification mentality currently plaguing this game. Basically Dire Straits = Money for nothing and the ISK for free.
Personally, I like doing a full clear, then looting and salvaging everything. I only play a couple hours a day at most and enjoy what I do. May be it's not the most efficient ISK per hour (running missions the way I do or doing a bit of exploration), but I am having fun.
And fun is what really matters.
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream. -Edgar Allan Poe
|
Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
28
|
Posted - 2015.12.14 16:52:24 -
[30] - Quote
Astrometric support skills and Archeology/Hacking to III can be trained quickly |
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |