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Anyanka Funk
Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik
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Posted - 2015.12.11 17:29:12 -
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https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Attack_of_the_Drones
Used to be able to blitz. Now all drones must be destroyed to trigger mission complete. Is this a bug or has the mission been changed? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
53150
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Posted - 2015.12.11 18:30:00 -
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Could be a bug but more than likely it's been changed due to a few people claiming they make ton's of ISK blitzing missions.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Paranoid Loyd
7687
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Posted - 2015.12.11 18:33:49 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:more than likely it's been changed due to a few people claiming they make ton's of ISK blitzing missions. Why do you go all tinfoil? They have access to the actual numbers. They don't need to rely on forum posts.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
927
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Posted - 2015.12.11 18:36:51 -
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Or maybe you aren't keeping track of what needs to be destroyed? |
Anyanka Funk
Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik
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Posted - 2015.12.11 18:38:13 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Or maybe you aren't keeping track of what needs to be destroyed? I am. I've blitz the mission for years. I tried 3 times today and had to kill everything. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
53150
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Posted - 2015.12.11 19:07:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:more than likely it's been changed due to a few people claiming they make ton's of ISK blitzing missions. Why do you go all tinfoil? They have access to the actual numbers. They don't need to rely on forum posts. Yeah right, like they're really gonna keep checking a bunch of code for numbers.
Quite often over the years CCP has changed things after a bunch of attention is drawn to certain info that players have made public.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Paranoid Loyd
7690
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Posted - 2015.12.11 19:21:33 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:more than likely it's been changed due to a few people claiming they make ton's of ISK blitzing missions. Why do you go all tinfoil? They have access to the actual numbers. They don't need to rely on forum posts. Yeah right, like they're really gonna keep checking a bunch of code for numbers. Quite often over the years CCP has changed things after a bunch of attention is drawn to certain info that players have made public. DMC I meant the number of people blitizing missions.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
2180
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Posted - 2015.12.11 20:22:46 -
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perhaps they just look at lp generated per day. Suppose there is a declining numbers of mission runners, but overall mission runners are more efficient so they see the LP/day is pretty constant and don't worry about it.
metrics are one thing, knowing what they mean is another.
@ChainsawPlankto
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
53157
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Posted - 2015.12.11 21:57:12 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote: Sure people might bring it to their attention but if you think they don't do any analysis before they make changes and rely solely on forum posts you are only fooling yourself into tinfoilery.
Never said CCP doesn't do any analysis before making changes to the game. They usually inform the playerbase about the pending change and the reasons for the change.
However if you think CCP doesn't do stealth changes as a kneejerk reaction to specific info made public here in the forums, especially info that is counterproductive to the direction CCP is manipulating the game towards, then you're quite naive..
Now if it's a bug then it's really widespread since other missions have been affected as well. That would denote a major lack of competency for CCP programmers, something I don't really want to consider..
Let's go with Occam's razor - 'The simplest answer is most often the correct answer.'
It appears to be a change to mission game mechanics and since it wasn't presented by a Dev Blog or Patch notes, it's a stealth change and due to the nature of the change, a reaction to info recently made public by the playerbase here in the forums.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Paranoid Loyd
7693
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Posted - 2015.12.11 22:13:07 -
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More tinfoil please.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
692
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Posted - 2015.12.12 01:24:04 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote: Now if it's a bug then it's really widespread since other missions have been affected as well. That would denote a major lack of competency for CCP programmers, something I don't really want to consider..
Never attributed to malice that witch can be attributed to incompetence.
A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.04
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
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Posted - 2015.12.12 01:31:13 -
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Oh and the joke's on you, as Chainsaw has said in the past (correct me if I'm wrong) but Attack of the drones isn't even that good of a blitz mission for standings upkeep. You sit around in the pocket for 30 seconds doing nothing for crying in a bucket.
Not only are you suggesting that CCP feels so threatened by my guide that they'd make very obvious stealth changes, damaging their reputation *cough*, but that they didn't even bother to check and see if it will have any affect or if it's actually the problem.
Huh saying it like that means it's incompetence either way but at least a bug can kinda be forgiven, although the bug was pointed out a month ago so yea, theres that.
A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.04
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
282
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Posted - 2015.12.12 01:46:38 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:Oh and the joke's on you, as Chainsaw has said in the past (correct me if I'm wrong) but Attack of the drones isn't even that good of a blitz mission for standings upkeep. You sit around in the pocket for 30 seconds doing nothing for crying in a bucket. Not only are you suggesting that CCP feels so threatened by my guide that they'd make very obvious stealth changes, damaging their reputation *cough*, but that they didn't even bother to check and see if it will have any affect or if it's actually the problem. Huh saying it like that means it's incompetence either way but at least a bug can kinda be forgiven, although the bug was pointed out a month ago so yea, theres that.
Do you really believe it to be a bug?? A bug that was implemented right after you released that blitzing guide?? I can only see CCP blaming it on a bug IF the reaction turns too sour. But if you ask me then I'd say it was an intentional bug.
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4845
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Posted - 2015.12.12 02:09:53 -
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I think there's as much chance as this being an unintended bug as there is an intentional change.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
693
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Posted - 2015.12.12 02:12:20 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:Oh and the joke's on you, as Chainsaw has said in the past (correct me if I'm wrong) but Attack of the drones isn't even that good of a blitz mission for standings upkeep. You sit around in the pocket for 30 seconds doing nothing for crying in a bucket. Not only are you suggesting that CCP feels so threatened by my guide that they'd make very obvious stealth changes, damaging their reputation *cough*, but that they didn't even bother to check and see if it will have any affect or if it's actually the problem. Huh saying it like that means it's incompetence either way but at least a bug can kinda be forgiven, although the bug was pointed out a month ago so yea, theres that. Do you really believe it to be a bug?? A bug that was implemented right after you released that blitzing guide?? I can only see CCP blaming it on a bug IF the reaction turns too sour. But if you ask me then I'd say it was an intentional bug. I guess that depends, was the Team Burner thing a bug? They say so...
A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.04
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4845
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Posted - 2015.12.12 02:21:26 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:I guess that depends, was the Team Burner thing a bug? They say so... I had a heck of a time even scratching the paint on the Team Burners, so yeah...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
693
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Posted - 2015.12.12 02:25:54 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:I guess that depends, was the Team Burner thing a bug? They say so... I had a heck of a time even scratching the paint on the Team Burners, so yeah... Solo, definately but WHAT IF..
*puts on tinfoil hat*
..they wanted to force us to run them with altsother people! Think about it! Inferno missiles can't melt steel beams!
A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.04
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
53158
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Posted - 2015.12.12 02:52:56 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:Oh and the joke's on you ...................................... Obviously the joke's on you since I rarely ever run regular missions. As for this so called bug, CCP has let plenty of bugs exist in game when it suits them, who's to say this isn't another one of those times.
More importantly, I'm not the Min/Max Blitzer who bragged about making over 200m ISK per hr solo, then posted and promoted a walk-thru guide informing others on how to do it.
Personally I hope CCP quickly eliminates the ability to blitz all missions and all exploration sites as well. Yeah, no more Blitzing missions. No more Cherry Picking exploration sites. No more gaining quick wealth for little to no effort. Not only would it make the game more interesting, it would increase the amount of time needed to complete objectives as well as add more risk for reward.
Anyway, the die is cast now. Should probably expect more of the same changes to follow suit, you only have yourself to blame.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4845
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Posted - 2015.12.12 02:56:43 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:Solo, definately but WHAT IF.. *puts on tinfoil hat* ..they wanted to force us to run them with altsother people! Think about it! Inferno missiles can't melt steel beams! No, with three ships. I couldn't break the logistics even with overheated polarized rockets. I got tired of waiting for CCP to fix it and said "f**k it* and moved onto something less frustrating... Yes, got the hidden reference. I'd be fine with running it with other people.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
693
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Posted - 2015.12.12 03:55:09 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:Oh and the joke's on you ...................................... Obviously the joke's on you since I rarely ever run regular missions. As for this so called bug, CCP has let plenty of bugs exist in game when it suits them, who's to say this isn't another one of those times. More importantly, I'm not the Min/Max Blitzer who bragged about making over 200m ISK per hr solo, then posted and promoted a walk-thru guide informing others on how to do it. Personally I hope CCP quickly eliminates the ability to blitz all missions and all exploration sites as well. Yeah, no more Blitzing missions. No more Cherry Picking exploration sites. No more gaining quick wealth for little to no effort. Not only would it make the game more interesting, it would increase the amount of time needed to complete objectives as well as add more risk for reward. Anyway, the die is cast now. Should probably expect more of the same changes to follow suit, you only have yourself to blame. DMC Well you did lay the groundwork...
You do know everything I do is only possible because of the standings research you did right? Pretty much everything I know, heck most people know about standings is from your guide. Hmm you know what I think I have made a mistake. I should really add you to my credits list considering the fact that the guide wouldn't exist if not for the work you did. That's a really big and obvious oversight on my part.
Seriously though, ease up on the tinfoil hattery. This is a lot like the Team burner bug. It'll prolly get fixed some time mid Jan.
A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.04
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
13152
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Posted - 2015.12.12 04:48:25 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:Oh and the joke's on you ...................................... Obviously the joke's on you since I rarely ever run regular missions. As for this so called bug, CCP has let plenty of bugs exist in game when it suits them, who's to say this isn't another one of those times. More importantly, I'm not the Min/Max Blitzer who bragged about making over 200m ISK per hr solo, then posted and promoted a walk-thru guide informing others on how to do it. Personally I hope CCP quickly eliminates the ability to blitz all missions and all exploration sites as well. Yeah, no more Blitzing missions. No more Cherry Picking exploration sites. No more gaining quick wealth for little to no effort. Not only would it make the game more interesting, it would increase the amount of time needed to complete objectives as well as add more risk for reward. Anyway, the die is cast now. Should probably expect more of the same changes to follow suit, you only have yourself to blame. DMC Well you did lay the groundwork... You do know everything I do is only possible because of the standings research you did right? Pretty much everything I know, heck most people know about standings is from your guide. Hmm you know what I think I have made a mistake. I should really add you to my credits list considering the fact that the guide wouldn't exist if not for the work you did. That's a really big and obvious oversight on my part. Seriously though, ease up on the tinfoil hattery. This is a lot like the Team burner bug. It'll prolly get fixed some time mid Jan.
AHHHHH snap, it's on!
I propose a 'Duel of the PVE guide makers" on the Jita 4-4 undock. Two guide makers fly in, only one flies out ( the other is pod express!). The winner keeps his guide, the loser deletes his guide and promises to make no more ever again.
We'll need Cribba to hold the bets I guess
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
53160
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Posted - 2015.12.12 05:44:39 -
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Anize Oramara wrote: Well you did lay the groundwork...
You do know everything I do is only possible because of the standings research you did right? Pretty much everything I know, heck most people know about standings is from your guide. Hmm you know what I think I have made a mistake. I should really add you to my credits list considering the fact that the guide wouldn't exist if not for the work you did. That's a really big and obvious oversight on my part.
Seriously though, ease up on the tinfoil hattery. This is a lot like the Team burner bug. It'll prolly get fixed some time mid Jan.
Heh, how delusional can you get ? Trying to blame me for your decision to create and promote the Blitz and Burner guide.
Also the Blitz and Burner guide isn't even in the same category as the Faction Standing Repair Plan.
That's like comparing Apples to Oranges, two completely different things.
You really need to step back and get a hold of yourself, take a time out and regain your composure. Above all else, stop attacking those who don't agree with your personal opinion.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
693
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Posted - 2015.12.12 06:08:47 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Anize Oramara wrote: Well you did lay the groundwork...
You do know everything I do is only possible because of the standings research you did right? Pretty much everything I know, heck most people know about standings is from your guide. Hmm you know what I think I have made a mistake. I should really add you to my credits list considering the fact that the guide wouldn't exist if not for the work you did. That's a really big and obvious oversight on my part.
Seriously though, ease up on the tinfoil hattery. This is a lot like the Team burner bug. It'll prolly get fixed some time mid Jan.
Heh, how delusional can you get ? Trying to blame me for your decision to create and promote the Blitz and Burner guide. Also the Blitz and Burner guide isn't even in the same category as the Faction Standing Repair Plan. That's like comparing Apples to Oranges, two completely different things. You really need to step back and get a hold of yourself, take a time out and regain your composure. Above all else, stop attacking those who don't agree with your personal opinion. DMC Relax, you misunderstand. I wasn't blaming you since there's nothing to blame anyone for, it's a sincere thanks for the work and effort you put into your guide. I agree my guide isn't even remotely in the same league as yours and you'll notice in ym guide I see myself as simply a compiler. Pretty much everything in my guide already existed either in the burner thread or as part of your guide. I just put it all together with a good helping of opinion, I mean little of the guide is new content created by myself. I was sincere and I've credited you in that spirit.
Look, no one is out to get you so don't see everything someone says as an attack. Read my post again but this time imagine I'm a nice friendly guy that found your guide helpful in making his own guide.
A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.04
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Never Enough
NPC corps suck
10
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Posted - 2015.12.14 01:15:59 -
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Same thing with "Gone Berserk". Blitzing is now impossible. You have to kill every ship now. |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
936
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Posted - 2015.12.14 15:51:17 -
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Never completely understood the fascination with accumulating scads of wealth in EVE quickly. I personally keep my wallet hovering around 4bil isk. I could have a lot more if I wasn't losing it doing PvP, but then the game wouldn't be fun.
I rarely purchase PLEX with real money, I believe I've purchased PLEX less than 5 times in my EVE career. I sub my accounts on a yearly basis, so I never PLEX my accounts either.
Really beginning to think PLEX should just be removed from game. |
The Bigpuns
Touring New Eden Haven.
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Posted - 2015.12.14 22:52:42 -
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I see why you might want pled removed, but I think that would probably make the situation worse. I think if the option of paying for game time with isk didn't exist, some people would just stop playing, making the game less interesting for some other players (pvp'ers in case it isn't clear) who would also then stop playing, and therefore there would probably be even more biomassed accounts, and further decline of Eve.
As far as these mission changes go, I'm pretty certain it's an intentional change by ccp, although not the best move they could have made. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1751
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Posted - 2015.12.15 00:06:48 -
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The Bigpuns wrote:
As far as these mission changes go, I'm pretty certain it's an intentional change by ccp, although not the best move they could have made.
Yeah agreed, changing things like Gone Berserk so the best approach is full room aggro and AFK clear seems an odd move.
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