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Camar
Stormriders Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.01.14 22:19:00 -
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OFFICIAL
Announcement
It is with sadness I must make this announcement but time has finally come when I have lost all hope. So until the Republic obtain a strong leadership Fimbulwinter shall no longer be considered a loyal organisation to the Republic.
The following changes will take place as soon as this is posted.
1. From this day onwards Fimbulwinter is now a Clan. All loyalties, both pod-pilot and the common man/woman, lies firstly to the Clan and none other.
2. Fimbulwinter will remain as Pro-Matari and shall view the republic as any other Pro-Matari group. In short this mean they will be viewed as allies.
3. Fimbulwinter will apply NBSI in order to preserve and strengthen the Clan. Any and all Pro-Matari organisations are requested to make contact in order to set standings. This will apply to ALL regions.
For the common man/woman nothing will change, as seen above it will only effect the elite.
Many factors were taken into calculation before this decision was made. Fimbulwinter now count hundreds of thousands free men and women of all races that chose to stay with us instead of leaving for any of the nations settlements/cities. The simple answer is to provide security for those who have sought us out as an alternative. This we intend to give them - We Take Care Of Our Own!
Of course there are many other factors but those I shall not make public, those who wish to know may discuss those in private with me.
ALL Fimbulwinter standings will remain, if anyone wish to discuss standings contact myself or Ryas Nia.
To the Amarr: Fimbulwinter has NO intention of deviating from our initial path regarding the annihilation of the Amarr empire and their God.
As a last personal message to Midular; You had the chance to unite the clans and countless of the elite, yet you remained in silence. You could have inspired countless of pilots with a few mere words, yet you remained in silence.
This day I shall mourn forever... This day I shall always celebrate... This day a new clan was born!
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2007.01.14 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Camar OFFICIAL
Announcement
It is with sadness I must make this announcement but time has finally come when I have lost all hope. So until the Republic obtain a strong leadership Fimbulwinter shall no longer be considered a loyal organisation to the Republic.
The following changes will take place as soon as this is posted.
1. From this day onwards Fimbulwinter is now a Clan. All loyalties, both pod-pilot and the common man/woman, lies firstly to the Clan and none other.
2. Fimbulwinter will remain as Pro-Matari and shall view the republic as any other Pro-Matari group. In short this mean they will be viewed as allies.
3. Fimbulwinter will apply NBSI in order to preserve and strengthen the Clan. Any and all Pro-Matari organisations are requested to make contact in order to set standings. This will apply to ALL regions.
For the common man/woman nothing will change, as seen above it will only effect the elite.
/me cheers
finally!
good luck Camar
Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.01.14 23:09:00 -
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Does this mean Fimbulwinter can be viewed as criminal by the Matari Authority too?
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Ikar Kaltin
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.14 23:11:00 -
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Wow......
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how exactly is this anything different than what you have been doing already....you already shoot neutrals passing through low sec in Empire...you already operate NBSI and as far as i knew you werent a loyalist organisation, at least not sticking to any Republic treaty...so how is this different from your normal activities?
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Lowanaera
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.01.15 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ikar Kaltin so how is this different from your normal activities?
Now the terrorists can operate under a pretension of legitimacy.
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Kaleigh Doyle
Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.01.15 00:44:00 -
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Edited by: Kaleigh Doyle on 15/01/2007 00:40:42
Originally by: Lowanaera Now the terrorists can operate under a pretension of legitimacy.
Not quite as pretentious as the nationalist paramilitaries that extort and brutalize those who cross their paths pretending to act in the best interests of their governments. Until your leaders officially deputize your organizations you'll be nothing more than vigilantes and armed thugs.
How noble.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.15 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle
Until your leaders officially deputize your organizations you'll be nothing more than vigilantes and armed thugs.
Tsk, tsk. You know better, Kaleigh. Several of the paramilitaries have been honored by the Amarr Empire, and have been given the mandate to keep doing what we do.
If that's not "deputized" enough for a cultist such as yourself, then I suppose that's just too bad...
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Kaleigh Doyle
Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.01.15 01:12:00 -
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Yes, I'm sure the Empire is more than happy to see its borders artificially expanded thanks to the work of its lapdog elite, to reward you with shiny medals and trinkets to keep you dying for their agendas. But, somehow I doubt you would continue to be in Providence if you weren't making a profit.
Let's skip the pretense, shall we?
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2007.01.15 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle Yes, I'm sure the Empire is more than happy to see its borders artificially expanded thanks to the work of its lapdog elite, to reward you with shiny medals and trinkets to keep you dying for their agendas. But, somehow I doubt you would continue to be in Providence if you weren't making a profit.
Let's skip the pretense, shall we?
translation:
Garreck proved me wrong so I'll snipe at him about making isk in providence because that somehow looks bad...to make isk in providence
Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.15 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle Yes, I'm sure the Empire is more than happy to see its borders artificially expanded thanks to the work of its lapdog elite, to reward you with shiny medals and trinkets to keep you dying for their agendas. But, somehow I doubt you would continue to be in Providence if you weren't making a profit.
Let's skip the pretense, shall we?
And this has precisely what to do with the legitimacy of the paramilitaries in the eyes of those we serve?
Or, heck, shall we turn Camar's statement of intentions into a discussion about which areas of lawless space are more profitable (you'll find Providence somewhere near the bottom) or how much has been invested by the CVA in protecting their expansion of the Amarrian borders vs how much profit has really been made? You know many of the objectives of the Deliverance project; surely you can draw your own conclusions about how "profitable" it is to daily throw ships at pirates, mercs, crazed heretics, and terrorists day in and day out to create a safe haven in what would otherwise be lawless space.
I've lost ships, I've lost clones, and I've probably damned myself in the process of service. Yes, I have the moral high ground. Yes, I'm looking down on you.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.15 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
I've lost ships, I've lost clones, and I've probably damned myself in the process of service. Yes, I have the moral high ground. Yes, I'm looking down on you.
But then, how hard is it to have the moral high ground against bloodraiders? I don't think there are many organisations in EVE that don't have the moral high ground in comparison to the Sani Sabik.
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Kaleigh Doyle
Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.01.15 02:37:00 -
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Garreck, it's all about the pretense of authority, moral or lawful. While our dear Camar here is accused of being a terrorist, the likes of Lowanera's organization and others fly around under the guise of law and order, protecting the space lanes from those you percieve to be a threat as though you had any warrant to do so on behalf of your respective nations.
I have yet to see any recognition of any of these organizations do so. Unless I'm mistaken, the CVA was never authorized to subjugate Providence, PIE Inc. was never granted authority to terrorize neutral shipping, and the Vigilia Valeria has never even been recognized by the Empire for it's vigilante wars against Matari organizations.
Any of these entities calling others pretentious is a horrid episode of the kettle and the pot with a similar color arrangement. Do try and keep up.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.15 03:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle Unless I'm mistaken
Ah, and now we get to the point.
You are mistaken.
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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.15 05:10:00 -
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Quote: Garreck, it's all about the pretense of authority, moral or lawful. While our dear Camar here is accused of being a terrorist, the likes of Lowanera's organization and others fly around under the guise of law and order, protecting the space lanes from those you percieve to be a threat as though you had any warrant to do so on behalf of your respective nations.
I have yet to see any recognition of any of these organizations do so. Unless I'm mistaken, the CVA was never authorized to subjugate Providence, PIE Inc. was never granted authority to terrorize neutral shipping, and the Vigilia Valeria has never even been recognized by the Empire for it's vigilante wars against Matari organizations.
Any of these entities calling others pretentious is a horrid episode of the kettle and the pot with a similar color arrangement. Do try and keep up.
Silence yourself blood worshiper. You who would partake in heathen rituals of blood and worship the darkness. The service of CVA, PIE and VV does honor to the name "Amarr". Trying to compare us to the likes Camar, a homicidal maniac, clearly fails on all levels. We serve God and Empire and defend our legal way of life. He practices terror and destruction.
There is no comparison.
Archbishop
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.01.15 06:23:00 -
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Cheers Camar.
Sucess with your Clan and new ideologies.
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2007.01.15 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle Unless I'm mistaken
Ah, and now we get to the point.
You are mistaken.
Garreck 2, Doyle 0
I like this thread!
Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.01.15 06:26:00 -
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Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
Originally by: Garreck
Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle Unless I'm mistaken
Ah, and now we get to the point.
You are mistaken.
Garreck 2, Doyle 0
I like this thread!
Kids...
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.15 08:27:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/01/2007 08:23:29
Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle PIE Inc. was never granted authority to terrorize neutral shipping,
Please point me to the confirmed reports of us terrorising neutral shipping.
Take your time, I won't be holding my breath.
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
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Karn Mithralia
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.01.15 11:44:00 -
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I salute you Clan Fimbulwinter!
May your deeds bring you honor and the death of many slavers.
Tyranny has no place amongst the stars. -----------------------------------------
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zoolkhan
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.01.15 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Camar 3. Fimbulwinter will apply NBSI in order to preserve and strengthen the Clan. Any and all Pro-Matari organisations are requested to make contact in order to set standings. This will apply to ALL regions.
...and in Ushra'khan land,i humbly suggest you to make an exception thank you
despite that, yes - youre on the right track. we have nothing good to expect from midular's puppet-goverment.
Fimbulwinter is true to its goals.
You have my trust - may your guns never miss
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Nekumi
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.15 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Camar
3. Fimbulwinter will apply NBSI in order to preserve and strengthen the Clan. Any and all Pro-Matari organisations are requested to make contact in order to set standings. This will apply to ALL regions.
This is lazy and a mistake. Adopting sociopathic rules of engagement will not make you strong or preserve anything in your clan. Quite the opposite.
You have a purpose, why kill for none?
Your message is strong and I support most of it but if you continue along these lines you are no better than the Amarr you seek to destroy.
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Aodha Khan
Minmatar The Paratwa Ka Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.01.15 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Camar
2. Fimbulwinter will remain as Pro-Matari and shall view the republic as any other Pro-Matari group. In short this mean they will be viewed as allies.
3. Fimbulwinter will apply NBSI in order to preserve and strengthen the Clan. Any and all Pro-Matari organisations are requested to make contact in order to set standings. This will apply to ALL regions.
These two points contradict one another. On one hand you will kill innocent Matari in Matari space who have no standings with you and on the other you say you are pro-Matari.
So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
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Spoon Thumb
Crystaline Green Order of the Khanid Crown
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Posted - 2007.01.15 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Does this mean Fimbulwinter can be viewed as criminal by the Matari Authority too?
Well, since they've start taking on any old pirate scum (and I mean the type that camp 0.4 gates for noob haulers), I think you can safely assume they are pirates. Do Matari Authorities support pirates?
Seems to me Fimbulwinter has fallen low and as such should be treated as nothing more than garbage.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.01.15 13:29:00 -
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The below is my personal opinion. Official statements will follow, in due time.
Originally by: Camar 3. Fimbulwinter will apply NBSI in order to preserve and strengthen the Clan. Any and all Pro-Matari organisations are requested to make contact in order to set standings. This will apply to ALL regions.
Killing innocent pilots in the Republic space is an act of piracy and/or murder; the fact that you do this in a name of a supposedly pro-Matari tribe does not change the fact. Do this, and you leave those who defend those regions no choice but to react, the same way they do react to all pirates.
The cutting of your relations to your birth-clans and turning against them makes you - if possible - less justified in this, not more. That you would wage war against other tribes... do we really need this, again, now, with the threats we face?
I hope Fimbulwinter will relent and show the willingness to negotiate, if nothing else at least for the safety of Republic spaceways, other tribal lands, including Unity space, and other allied nations / regions.
If not, mind my words: this will not end well. We do not need this kind of... terrorism... internally, not now when we face so many outside threats.
I will be in touch, Camar. I hope we still can talk.
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Camar
Stormriders Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.01.15 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: zoolkhan
...and in Ushra'khan land,i humbly suggest you to make an exception thank you
despite that, yes - youre on the right track. we have nothing good to expect from midular's puppet-goverment.
Fimbulwinter is true to its goals.
You have my trust - may your guns never miss
As always we will respect Ushra'Khan rules in their space Mr. Zoolkhan, I would be thankful if reports regarding any such violation would be sent to me.
Aodha, there is no contradiction, we make a distinct difference between the elite and those who have the ability to be immortal. That is why I have humbly suggested that ALL pro-matari organisations contact us regarding positive standings.
But in the end it all comes down to what we think is best for our own, this is it. Other opinions matters little or nothing.
We Take Care Of Our Own!
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.01.15 14:43:00 -
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There are honorable Matari pilots outside of the so-called "loyal Matari corporations". Moreover, there are friendly and neutral traders who travel our space and who deserve our courtesy and respect. Whatever you do, you will [i]never[/b] be able to keep track of all of those and keep them on blue status.
Firing on a ship just because they have not specifically asked you not to is an act of crime inside the Republic, and moreover a crime that loyal organizations fight against constantly. Since you say you respect U'K rules in U'K space, I still have hopes that you will also be willing to talk about Republic rules in Republic space...
And as to contradictions - if you do not care about the pilots, how about the crew? Passangers? Are they all subject to death at your whim?
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Pezzle
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.15 15:15:00 -
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Perhaps now the public will see the truth, Fimbulwinter have broken from the Matari. They seek only violence. They seek selfish ends as they abandon their people.
And look now upon the Ushra Khan who would call them brother. You rebels fight simply to fight, you have lost your way. Indeed you are nothing more than common pirates, congratulations.
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Merdaneth
Amarr Un4seen Development
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Posted - 2007.01.15 15:51:00 -
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Camarr is a racist homocidal psychopatic maniac.
But at least he is a honest and fortright. He is not afraid to throw away the false pretense of 'Fighting for Freedom' that many Matari terrorists play hide and seek with.
His goal is the annihilation of the Amarr empire, a few deaths more or less matter little to him, and if you are not with him, you are against him. Should make the right choice rather easy, no?
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Derran
Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.01.15 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle Unless I'm mistaken
Ah, and now we get to the point.
You are mistaken.
Perhaps you should try responding to her statement rather than dodging the whole issue. Or does something about the truth scare you?
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Derran
Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.01.15 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Take your time, I won't be holding my breath.
Please do. Then we won't have to listen to your half truths and propaganda.
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