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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.15 16:30:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/01/2007 16:28:29
Originally by: Derran
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Take your time, I won't be holding my breath.
Please do. Then we won't have to listen to your half truths and propaganda.
Perhaps you should take your own advice and respond to my statement rather than try to dodge the issue.
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
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Derran
Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.01.15 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
Silence yourself blood worshiper. You who would partake in heathen rituals of blood and worship the darkness. The service of CVA, PIE and VV does honor to the name "Amarr". Trying to compare us to the likes Camar, a homicidal maniac, clearly fails on all levels. We serve God and Empire and defend our legal way of life. He practices terror and destruction.
There is no comparison.
Strike a cord, did she? And it would only be legal within your borders. Anywhere else and it would be seen as a crime.
There is also a comparison. Such as the shameless breeding program and senseless acts of torture seen aboard the Amarrian battlestation that was raided by the Ushra'Khan and the Defiants. And before you go spouting off at the mouth about how they were 'volunteers' or how they choose to be there or the torture was for the benefit of faith, you'll first want to explain why they did not want to be there and actually wanted to be rescued from their captivity.
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Derran
Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.01.15 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Perhaps you should take your own advice and respond to my statement rather than try to dodge the issue.
I was speaking in general. But I hardly know where to begin. Lets see, there has been the destruction of convoys leaving starbases. Then there is unwelcome intrusion into low security Minmatar space by paramilitary groups who like to make note of the fact they are conducting slave raids. Shall I go on?
And before you go getting your robes in a twist about proof, I don't need any because I have seen it. That is proof enough for me.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.15 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Derran
Perhaps you should try responding to her statement rather than dodging the whole issue.
And perhaps you should pay attention to my previous statements where I rather directly addressed the whole issue. I don't dodge. Ms Doyle has made some rather surprisingly short-sighted statements about the paramilitaries and their legitimacy and she's wrong, plain and simple.
Sure, the terrorists aren't going to want to see our legitimacy. Sure, the heretics aren't going to want to see our legitimacy. But if anyone wants to question the Amarr Empire's stance on our legitimacy...there's no question that the Empire supports our actions and has even directly recognized several of our organizations for doing what we do.
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Tharrn
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.01.15 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle
I have yet to see any recognition of any of these organizations do so. Unless I'm mistaken, the CVA was never authorized to subjugate Providence, PIE Inc. was never granted authority to terrorize neutral shipping, and the Vigilia Valeria has never even been recognized by the Empire for it's vigilante wars against Matari organizations.
The 1st Praetorian Guard has been acknowledged to be attached to the Amarr Navy and has operated under direct orders of Amarr Navy officers on multiple occassions. It is as much recognition as we need as we are not attention *****s who constantly feel the urge to stand in the spotlight. We just serve.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Luna Rossa Corporation The Guardian Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.15 18:18:00 -
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Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 15/01/2007 18:15:35
Originally by: Rodj Blake Take your time, I won't be holding my breath.
A shame, Rodj. It would choke you to death, and stop us from smelling it! You're just not very charitable are you.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.15 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Derran
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Perhaps you should take your own advice and respond to my statement rather than try to dodge the issue.
I was speaking in general. But I hardly know where to begin. Lets see, there has been the destruction of convoys leaving starbases. Then there is unwelcome intrusion into low security Minmatar space by paramilitary groups who like to make note of the fact they are conducting slave raids. Shall I go on?
And before you go getting your robes in a twist about proof, I don't need any because I have seen it. That is proof enough for me.
We only destroy vessels we believe to be engaged on military operations.
Our primary purpose when we enter Minmatar-occupied is to smoke out terrorists such as yourself.
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
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Lowanaera
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.01.15 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Our primary purpose when we enter Minmatar-occupied is to smoke out terrorists such as yourself.
Exactly. It is the fault of the Matari terrorists choosing to inhabit Republic space that innocent Republic citizens are threatened and sometimes harmed, by choosing to remain there you endanger those around you. Ushra'Khan at the very least has the decency to stand on their own in space where no one is placed at risk without accepting the dangers of traveling within U'K space in the first place.
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Sepherim
Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2007.01.16 03:37:00 -
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So the terrorists have finally accepted their natured and turned on the hand they said they defended. Not surprising. And they've turned this into an attack against the Amarr loyalist corporation? Unsurprising too; as this shows, they'll never undesrstand Loyalty. --------------------- Signature removed due to incorrect size (400X120px and 24000 bytes). Please review the forum rules or e-mail us with any questions. You can view you signature here - Petwraith Ordo Quaesitoris Forum |
zoolkhan
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.01.16 11:43:00 -
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Edited by: zoolkhan on 16/01/2007 11:41:53
Originally by: Sepherim So the terrorists have finally accepted their natured and turned on the hand they said they defended.
no "terrorist" or freedom fighter has ever claimed to defend a political system, or a goverment.
You must be quiet desperate to get attantion to release such stupid phrases here.
What most "matari loyalist" organisations seem to have in common is the desire to help their _people_.
Some organisation do it by using guns against the opressors and those who try to hold them back.
some try it from inside with politics obeying and respecting the law.
U'K , EM, NMTZ, Fimbulwinder and many more organisations how i view it have never made it their goal to wage war against the own republic.
So your statement is, politely and respectfully spoken : utter B'$H17
i.e. Ushra'Khan has simply moved out of the Republics influence, and i would not be surprised if we dont remain alone with that strategy.
I could imagine, the NBSI statement - counts mainly for arias where it can be enforced. That usually is not republican territory, that would rather be some spot in 0.0 - so its even techically hard to turn against the republic with that policy. If they do in empire, concort will sort them out.
Most people with a pod license know those basics.
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Sepherim
Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: Sepherim on 16/01/2007 14:22:29
Originally by: zoolkhan You must be quiet desperate to get attantion to release such stupid phrases here.
Actually not, Mr Zoolkhan, though I must admit your analysis, even if wrong, does have its own merit. I don't follow the rules of attention others seek, I'm afraid.
Quote: no "terrorist" or freedom fighter has ever claimed to defend a political system, or a goverment. What most "matari loyalist" organisations seem to have in common is the desire to help their _people_.
That is what loyalty I referred to, I'm sorry if my words misguided you: -Before: their people was their country, all the Tribes, all the Minmatarr. -Now: their people is their own tribe, if it can be called so.
That is breaking loyalties, as I've said. Simply put, they leave those that trusted them to burn, and now care only for themselves. Pirates usually do that too, by the way.
Quote: I could imagine, the NBSI statement - counts mainly for arias where it can be enforced. That usually is not republican territory, that would rather be some spot in 0.0 - so its even techically hard to turn against the republic with that policy. If they do in empire, concort will sort them out.
Not what they've said. And that still doesn't solve the problem with loyalty. --------------------- Signature removed due to incorrect size (400X120px and 24000 bytes). Please review the forum rules or e-mail us with any questions. You can view you signature here - Petwraith Ordo Quaesitoris Forum |
Doc Extropy
Gallente Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.01.16 15:21:00 -
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Sepherim, personally I consider the Republic government a bunch of traitors and cowards.
Reasons:
1. Peaceful talks and diplomatic relations with the Amarr scum 2. Ignorance towards the fact many Matari live in the hell of slavery and torture 3. Negative standings towards the Thukker tribe 4. No official support for those who carry on the rebellion which formed the Republic (those you call "terrorists") 5. When I was adopted by a gentle Matari family as a child, after the Amarr beasts tortured my parents to death, it took them years to acknowledge me, just because of the fact they are incompetent bureaucrats
I support the the position Camar stated in this thread, it is the way Fimbulwinter has to go and it is a honest, honourful and illuminated path.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.01.19 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: zoolkhan I could imagine, the NBSI statement - counts mainly for arias where it can be enforced. That usually is not republican territory, that would rather be some spot in 0.0 - so its even techically hard to turn against the republic with that policy. If they do in empire, concort will sort them out.
Most people with a pod license know those basics.
Zool, come back home, that zero sec is rotting your brain. If what you said was true, we would not have one pirate inside Republic borders, and I assure you that is not the case.
No, what Camar is talking here is not a zero sec policy alone.
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Ceanthar Cerbera
Minmatar Lone Gunmen Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.01.22 12:05:00 -
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I must say that statement 2 and 3 contradict each others. How can one first claim to be friends with all Pro-Matari groups and then go on to say you will shoot them unless they contact you first for a blue standing?
NMTZ hold to NRDS (not red dont shoot) wich seem much more rational and in your case is what (3) should say if your statement is to be viewed logically coherent.
EM also adopt NRDS although its not been stated. And seeing that we work for a free, peaceful empire space for everyone its the only way I can see we can operate without beeing pirates ourselfs. Of course there¦s exceptions to any rule but on a whole I think NRDS is the way to go for a stable and peaceful empire space. ----------------------------------------- For the liberation and safety of the Matari people! |
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