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Tribunal
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.15 07:39:00 -
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I am writing this after, once again, losing 5 ogre II because the game suddenly decides to CTD me, and the NPCs were grateful enough to pop my drones.
I am trying to keep calm about the problems with drones but after so many years I am about ready to go on a rampage with a nasty post, but I will stay calm . When are the issues with drones and the blaring problems with them ever going to be addressed and fixed?
Here is a small list:
1) We still have drones that randomly pick targets. Why can this not be fixed? Why must I baby sit my drones all the way to the target with the attack command? Seriously, this is getting to be too much.
2) Drones got majorly shafted with the ship HP increase, but there is no response at all about raising drone hps. Are there any plans to increase drone hps? Drones were easy enough to insta pop before ships were increased in hps across the board.
3) If a player CTDs or goes LD while fighting NPCs with drones then the drones are dead. Fix this! Make the drones stop attacking the NPCs if the player warps out (CTDs, LDs...etc) and make the NPCs stop attacking the drones.
4) There are still missions that count drones as an extra player, which in turns agros the entire dead space pocket. It is CCPs goal to have mission runners fly other ships then the Raven, right?
5) Drone controls in the UI are just horrible. No bind able commands and no hotkeys for drones in... what, 3 years now?
6) Drones are still getting stuck on each other.
etc....
Throw us drone users a bone here.
"We can't all be heroes, because somebody has to sit on the curb and applaud when they go by." - Will Rogers |
D'onryu Shoqui
Vengeance of the Fallen
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Posted - 2007.01.15 07:42:00 -
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be glad you dont have to use fighters.... which also didnt get a hp incease even though a bs can pretty much tank 13 of them for a good 5mins
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X99 Z990
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Posted - 2007.01.15 07:45:00 -
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Drones AI is terrible we need a few more commands and behavior things for them like all attack the same target and dont attack anything unless they are told to and ECM drones still return at their orbit velocity rather than actual velocity which is annoying.
A fair few problems with drones that need fixing.
I dont see how the HP increase nerfed drones anymore, drones should be easy to kill or they have no real weakness, if they increased the health to a point where they wouldnt be easy to kill then people wouldnt kill them anyway.
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Valandril
Caldari Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2007.01.15 07:46:00 -
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Every plex tract drones as extra player == whole room what is not nice =_= And i'm very very very signed, ccp fix drones. What is point on loosing drones to npcs ? Also boost theyr hp, reduce signature, cruiser signature on heavy drone is one big joke =_= ----------------- My english bad, F1, F2, F3, F4...
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X99 Z990
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Posted - 2007.01.15 07:47:00 -
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Edited by: X99 Z990 on 15/01/2007 07:44:09 --- double post
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Sokratesz
Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.01.15 07:49:00 -
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Also, the ECM drones especially the webbers ones need a speed boost with all these nanoships around.
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X99 Z990
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Posted - 2007.01.15 07:52:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz Also, the ECM drones especially the webbers ones need a speed boost with all these nanoships around.
Other way round i think, nano ships need nerfing.
Reminds me of double AB/MWD setups of the old days.
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Snikkt
Gallente Time Cube Syndicate Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.15 07:55:00 -
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Originally by: X99 Z990
Originally by: Sokratesz Also, the ECM drones especially the webbers ones need a speed boost with all these nanoships around.
Other way round i think, nano ships need nerfing.
Reminds me of double AB/MWD setups of the old days.
Or that horrible Scorpion with 8 MWD's? ------------------- My opinions (ie, all of my posting here) are not my corporations. Nor should it be taken as such.
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Vicious Phoenix
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Posted - 2007.01.15 08:02:00 -
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Originally by: X99 Z990 Reminds me of double AB/MWD setups of the old days.
In the words of a WoW player (I'm not one btw) L2P n00b
Seriously though, nano ships aren't that hard to counter, especially the domi for the reasons the OP stated with drone issues.
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Sanzorz
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.01.15 08:07:00 -
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I would really just like an added bonus on drones rank 5 or something, that forces your drones to return to bay when you're going to warp. Bloody annoying to pick them up again :-P --- Currently flying a PvE geared Crusader and Prophecy |
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.15 08:33:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 15/01/2007 08:32:57 Edited by: Andrue on 15/01/2007 08:31:24
Originally by: Tribunal I am writing this after, once again, losing 5 ogre II because the game suddenly decides to CTD me, and the NPCs were grateful enough to pop my drones.
I am trying to keep calm about the problems with drones but after so many years I am about ready to go on a rampage with a nasty post, but I will stay calm . When are the issues with drones and the blaring problems with them ever going to be addressed and fixed?
Here is a small list:
1) We still have drones that randomly pick targets. Why can this not be fixed? Why must I baby sit my drones all the way to the target with the attack command? Seriously, this is getting to be too much.
I'm not sure what you mean by that. I'd like to see drones acting as a single group and always going after the same target rather than each one picking its own target - is that what you mean?
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2) Drones got majorly shafted with the ship HP increase, but there is no response at all about raising drone hps. Are there any plans to increase drone hps? Drones were easy enough to insta pop before ships were increased in hps across the board.
When fighting NPCs don't release the drones until all the NPCs in range have targetted you. I haven't lost any drones in several months.
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3) If a player CTDs or goes LD while fighting NPCs with drones then the drones are dead. Fix this! Make the drones stop attacking the NPCs if the player warps out (CTDs, LDs...etc) and make the NPCs stop attacking the drones.
Fix your machine. Actually I had to warp out in early November when I forgot to reset the timer on my power socket on a day off. I came back to find all my drones floating around waiting for me. The NPCs hadn't touched them.
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4) There are still missions that count drones as an extra player, which in turns agros the entire dead space pocket. It is CCPs goal to have mission runners fly other ships then the Raven, right?
Yeah, that's a bit crappy.
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5) Drone controls in the UI are just horrible. No bind able commands and no hotkeys for drones in... what, 3 years now?
I'm not too fussed about that myself but any criticism of Eve's UI is usually well founded.
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6) Drones are still getting stuck on each other.
Never seen that myself.
Overall I don't have any major problems with drones. They seem to do what I tell them and they do it well. It maybe a skills issue in that these problems may only manifest themselves with poor drone skills. An example of that is switching targets. My drones usually pop whatever I've assigned to them in less than a minute so if they target switching bug occurs after that I will never see them.
My only major complaintt about drones is that I've never known them automatically defend me. Sure, once I've told them to attack something they will move on to other target but I always have to tell them to start attacking. Other people say that drones will automatically go after anything that starts firing on you but mine don't. -- (Battle hardened industrialist)
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Jin Freaks
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Posted - 2007.01.15 08:47:00 -
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Then u don't use them enough mate. I allways have to click the engage target 3 times only to find out that there still are only 4 drones on one target. There is nothing wrong with my machine AMD 3800 + gyg ram etc etc and I have at least 4 CTDs a week. About the drones being alive after CTDing: sometimes they survive and sometimes they get fried. No idea what triggers it. To state that this is a skillwise problem makes me ROFL because I have over 5 mil in drones and can sign all of these problems.
Soooooo /SIGNED
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Tribunal
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.15 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jin Freaks Then u don't use them enough mate. I allways have to click the engage target 3 times only to find out that there still are only 4 drones on one target. There is nothing wrong with my machine AMD 3800 + gyg ram etc etc and I have at least 4 CTDs a week. About the drones being alive after CTDing: sometimes they survive and sometimes they get fried. No idea what triggers it. To state that this is a skillwise problem makes me ROFL because I have over 5 mil in drones and can sign all of these problems.
Soooooo /SIGNED
Jin beat me to a reply.
If you haven't seen, or suffered, these problems then you haven't used drones for any extended period of time.
"We can't all be heroes, because somebody has to sit on the curb and applaud when they go by." - Will Rogers |
Max Kentarii
Chaos Faction
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Posted - 2007.01.15 09:02:00 -
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I have less problem with in-obidient drones when using T2 medium or small. It's when I use my T2 Ogres that they go wandering off by themselves. You kill one BS 44km from your ship and send them off to a different direction to kill another and 15-20km before they reach their target, they suddenly go "idle" in overview for half a second, then try to attack another target. If you don't babysit them all their way to their target, you'll end up with 5 drones on 5 targets even though you've told them to engage a specific target.
Overview also needs some love, but there's already a thread for that in the features/suggestions forums. Linkage -----
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Tribunal
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.15 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Max Kentarii Overview also needs some love, but there's already a thread for that in the features/suggestions forums. Linkage
With no dev reply to it. I've seen another thread where someone had a good drone UI and it got no response either (he had pictures as well).
"We can't all be heroes, because somebody has to sit on the curb and applaud when they go by." - Will Rogers |
Tisanta
Amarr Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom
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Posted - 2007.01.15 09:18:00 -
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i find the auto targeting quite good for mission running.. prehaps ccp shouldnt limit us drone users to 3 commands... maybe give us more options such as:
orbit target engage at will hold fire return fire activate mwd/ diactivate
give my babies some love please also you missed out light drones refusing to dock in the bay.. that really pis-ses me off when im flying around in my pilgrim in structure waiting on my drones to dock so i can warp.. instead they sit 2km away like little shi-ts.
+ give us t2 sentrys... please we deserve them since all other races have t2 long range weapons.. i want mine. ---
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Feek
JuBa Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.15 09:46:00 -
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Ogres are the worst, someone in this thread already stated that they often get part way to their target and then wander off elsewhere. I've only had this particular problem with Ogres. Awful things, I quite simply won't use them any more. --
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R'adeh
Gallente Gekidoku
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Posted - 2007.01.15 09:56:00 -
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Signed.
I've asked about a drone HP increase a while ago and haven't seen any news on it since then. Now that fights take longer, I guess I just have to live with the fact that the enemy ship will kill all my drones before the fight is over without breaking a sweat...great And since drones are often my main offense, I think it's hilarious to just sit there without offense after 1-2min and die a horribly slow death.
And yeah, Ogres are weird. They seem to chose another target than me on purpose. I also don't get why sometimes 3 drones attack instantly, while 2 others move to the target at 25m/s. CCP decreased the max number of drones to 5, shouldn't that ensure that at least basic commands work??
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2007.01.15 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Feek Ogres are the worst, someone in this thread already stated that they often get part way to their target and then wander off elsewhere. I've only had this particular problem with Ogres. Awful things, I quite simply won't use them any more.
It's the same with all drones, if they cannot attack the assigned target after a while, they will switch to a closer target. Ogres are just the slowest of them all, so it happens more often that they chase their targets for XX seconds (or just approach) and cannot engage, so they switch.
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Hithero Wolf
Caldari Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.01.15 10:53:00 -
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Well, the HP increase is there to prolong combat. Giving drones etc more damage would kind of negate the HP increase.
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Sanzorz
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.01.15 11:12:00 -
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The drones are rather weird sometimes. Yesterday I did a mission where the drones went aggressive on a scanner building >_< --- Currently flying a PvE geared Crusader and Prophecy |
R'adeh
Gallente Gekidoku
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Posted - 2007.01.15 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Hithero Wolf Well, the HP increase is there to prolong combat. Giving drones etc more damage would kind of negate the HP increase.
Not asking for a DAMAGE increase, just for a HP increase so they don't die long before the battle is even over... _______________________________________________
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Buster Terrik
Warhamsters Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.15 11:16:00 -
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what can i say...
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.01.15 11:20:00 -
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The drones with the most problems:
ogre 2, wondering off and engaging targets on its own, sometimes handy when you are jammed though
warrior 2, I cant remember when i scooped these drones using the UI, they allways stop 1.8k away and you need to fly towards them to pick em up. Very stupid when you need to get out fast...
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Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.15 11:29:00 -
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Personally, what I would like is that your drones always act as single unit and do not split up on different targets. Also, being able to prioritize their targets ("attack only frigates" for example) wouldn't be too much to ask IMO.
And the drone issues in missions is something which should be fixed.
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Torem
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Posted - 2007.01.15 11:39:00 -
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/SIGNED
Especially to the improved drone interface and having drones act as a single unit.
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Drek Grapper
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Posted - 2007.01.15 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel Personally, what I would like is that your drones always act as single unit and do not split up on different targets. Also, being able to prioritize their targets ("attack only frigates" for example) wouldn't be too much to ask IMO.
And the drone issues in missions is something which should be fixed.
I agree. I like the 'attack *insert ship type*' idea. And working as a unit. I would always want my drones on one target only, but with options to split them (ie right click drone...send it to attack something else)
And please give them bigger ears...they just don't listen to me most of the time! Reminds me of an errant toddler.
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Spoony Brook
Skill Level Six
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Posted - 2007.01.15 12:47:00 -
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Edited by: Spoony Brook on 15/01/2007 12:47:13 Edited by: Spoony Brook on 15/01/2007 12:46:20
Originally by: Tisanta i find the auto targeting quite good for mission running.. prehaps ccp shouldnt limit us drone users to 3 commands... maybe give us more options such as:
orbit target engage at will hold fire return fire activate mwd/ diactivate
give my babies some love please also you missed out light drones refusing to dock in the bay.. that really pis-ses me off when im flying around in my pilgrim in structure waiting on my drones to dock so i can warp.. instead they sit 2km away like little shi-ts.
+ give us t2 sentrys... please we deserve them since all other races have t2 long range weapons.. i want mine.
man i would love it if i could just get my drones to orbit a target without it being me or attack it...
plus warriors are a real pain in the arse for returning to drone bay as mentioned above and the auto change target that ogres do is just plain annoying, more so when theres two of them stuck togther flying off in a random direction...
drones need the love mmmkay
EDIT: don't make us spam 65 pages or so like the Deimos thread or even more like the Amarr one... because i will do it
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Lord Vigil
Amarr LEGION OF DEATHADDERS
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Posted - 2007.01.15 14:14:00 -
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/Signed
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Chia
Caldari Red Planet
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Posted - 2007.01.15 14:29:00 -
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/Signed
Please fix - or make it so that launching a single missile aggroes entire mission stages
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