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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
1189
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:03:00 -
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Hey everyone.
We have removed the remap from the list of available holiday gifts, at least temporarily, while we look into some improvements we feel need to be made, and if we will be able to make them in time.
Why are we doing it?
Because we are not happy with the way it functions, essentially because it doesn't function as people sometimes think it does, and is therefore likely to mislead a good amount of those who choose it as their gift. We want you to be happy with your gift and not be mad during Christmas.
What does this mean for you guys?
1.Those who picked it already? Nothing yet. We are just looking at our options of improving the gift before it is distributed on the 22nd. Until then, we don't want to enlarge the group of people who have chosen this gift.
2. Those who want it but haven't chosen it yet. You won't be able to choose it unless we enable it again, but you have until the end of the 21st to choose your gift and we will keep you informed on the progress of our work well before that time. Please note that if you choose something else before we come to a conclusion on our end, your choice will be final.
3. Everyone else. This won't affect you at all. Enjoy your gift.
Please accept our apologies for not making this decision BEFORE we put the list out there as we obviously should have. As promised, we will keep you informed on the progress and of course we are listening to your feedback.
CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |
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Alexsei Volkov
Order Of Black Knights
4
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:11:00 -
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<3 Guard. Thanks for the response.
Here is hoping you guys fix it and bring it back so the remap gift stacks with the count down instead of resetting it. |
Chowdercannon
Special Aces Fat Raptor Ltd
0
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:14:00 -
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No reason to not fix it and bring it back, or just bring it back, seeing as how you flat out just gave us one last year. |
Elindreal
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:17:00 -
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sooo... any choice between now and the 21st is final therefore i should wait until midnight of the 21st to see if the remap makes a triumphant return? |
Danibunkins
Inappropriate Contact Infinite Improbabilities
5
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:21:00 -
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Thanks Guard!
Though I have a question..
If you plan to put it back in to the gift list, will you announce it prior to the 21st?
I don't want to select a gift that ... in all reality, I'm not likely to use.
Thanks for everything!
~Dani |
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
1189
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:23:00 -
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Danibunkins wrote:Thanks Guard!
Though I have a question..
If you plan to put it back in to the gift list, will you announce it prior to the 21st?
I don't want to select a gift that ... in all reality, I'm not likely to use.
Thanks for everything!
~Dani
Absolutely we will. We will hopefully have some update for you tomorrow even.
CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
1389
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:24:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Hey everyone.
We have removed the remap from the list of available holiday gifts, at least temporarily, while we look into some improvements we feel need to be made, and if we will be able to make them in time.
Why are we doing it?
Because we are not happy with the way it functions, essentially because it doesn't function as people sometimes think it does, and is therefore likely to mislead a good amount of those who choose it as their gift. We want you to be happy with your gift and not be mad during Christmas.
What does this mean for you guys?
1.Those who picked it already? Nothing yet. We are just looking at our options of improving the gift before it is distributed on the 22nd. Until then, we don't want to enlarge the group of people who have chosen this gift.
2. Those who want it but haven't chosen it yet. You won't be able to choose it unless we enable it again, but you have until the end of the 21st to choose your gift and we will keep you informed on the progress of our work well before that time. Please note that if you choose something else before we come to a conclusion on our end, your choice will be final.
3. Everyone else. This won't affect you at all. Enjoy your gift.
Please accept our apologies for not making this decision BEFORE we put the list out there as we obviously should have. As promised, we will keep you informed on the progress and of course we are listening to your feedback.
Good communication Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
447
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:24:00 -
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Elindreal wrote:sooo... any choice between now and the 21st is final therefore i should wait until midnight of the 21st to see if the remap makes a triumphant return? I think they'll know a couple days beforehand if it will return or not, and will inform us.
Since I already chose the remap ... if it doesn't return, I assume I'll get to pick again?
Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
214
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:26:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:essentially because it doesn't function as people sometimes think it does, and is therefore likely to mislead a good amount of those who choose it as their gift
How exactly does the 'gift remap' differ from a normal remap? |
Mafurios Akratos
Omega Legion XIII
3
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:26:00 -
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Please, I beg you. Give me back my remap! (Seriously, I really really need it.) A friend tipped me today, I checked, and it was gone. (2 hours after he said so... imagine my frustration) |
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Elindreal
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:27:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Since I already chose the remap ... if it doesn't return, I assume I'll get to pick again?
CCP Guard wrote: 1.Those who picked it already? Nothing yet. We are just looking at our options of improving the gift before it is distributed on the 22nd. Until then, we don't want to enlarge the group of people who have chosen this gift.
from the sounds of it, you will still receive it. if they modify it, it will be made available for everyone if they can't modify it, those of you who were quick enough to select it will be the lucky few who receive it |
Sarmatiko
245
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:27:00 -
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Give free remap to everyone like last year. And at the same time reset gift choice on all accounts, deleting previously chosen remap gifts. Problem solved |
Mioelnir
Cataclysm Enterprises Ev0ke
33
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:29:00 -
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Hi,
thanks for the update.
When the first remaps came, people got surprised by the mechanic, yes. Also, since something as a remap was never available during the redeeming system before, the mechanic of this remap was important to evaluate and weigh the choice.
As a player with a lot of accounts, I would love the remap to be a tradeable item received once for every character on all my accounts. Of course. It would mean I'd drown in remaps for my mains till the end of days. But that is not fair, it's somewhere between wishful thinking, cognitive dissonance and something you need to see a doctor for.
I already chose remap on two accounts. On one I have a remap available, so I gain flexibility. On the other, the timer shortening would have come in handy. And I was actually thinking about maybe rolling a new character on one and give the remap to him to start him off with 3 (int/mem, mem/perc, per/willp, yay.). The others, I was still pondering what else (but this isn't the topic).
The pure mathematical mechanic of the last remaps is fair. If you have 0, you get +1 for 1. If you have 1, you gain +1 for 2. Because, if you currently have a remap, then you have not used it yet. So you gain flexibility for not skillplan-tailoring your attributes. If you do not have a remap currently, then you have used it, and got the benefit from it. And now you get another one, like everybody else.
I won't complain if the end of your discussions is that one gets a remap without resetting the timer, since I like having the cake and eating it as much as the next guy. But that is essentially what it is.
So please, keep/reintroduce it as an option. It may not be ideal for every character, but none of the options are. That is the point.
And to all the people constantly pointing to the character sale value of multiple respecs: (a) you must have horribly skilled characters if you think noone will want them with the luxury of 4 remaps to fix them (b) since you are obviously already planning your exit strategy from eve, stop ruining the game for the people that like it |
Swearte Widfarend
Mortis Noir. Unforgiving.
18
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:31:00 -
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I'm going to guess that the gift remap would reset your remap schedule, which is actually one of the reasons I didn't choose it.
I have remaps coming in March. If I were to get the gift remap, and use it, my March remap would probably be gone, and my next remap would be one year from when I got the gift remap. Not much of a gift in my case.
If the fix (and issue) is the reset of the remap schedule, then the remap would be a good gift for a lot of folks, maybe even me.
However I've made my choices, and I'm cool with them (and none of them are remaps).
I'm glad CCP recognized that this particular version of this gift was flawed (assuming I'm right), and they will endeavor to fix it and make it available again.
Kudos CCP, on that and communicating about it.
Although the communication should have come BEFORE you pulled it from the gift list. |
Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
18
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:37:00 -
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Clear concise and helpful. Who is logged in on your account? |
Suk Mikakka
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:40:00 -
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CCP incompetence rears it's ugly head once again.
Take some advice, the only way you recover from this without looking like even larger turds than you already do, is give everybody a free remap and let us choose our Christmas gifts again.
It's bad enough you've given so many people reason for excitement with a free, and priceless, remap, but to take it away literally hours after you offered it would reek of pure stupidity.
Do the right thing, CCP. |
Avensys
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
1
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:49:00 -
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if ccp decides to go back on the remaps gift, my alt will be stuck with 27 points in Charisma for the next year
(have only 2-3 months worth of charisma skills to train, would never have done this remap if I hadn't selected the remap gift) |
Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp BricK sQuAD.
152
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:50:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:Give free remap to everyone like last year. And at the same time reset gift choice on all accounts, deleting previously chosen remap gifts. Problem solved
love this option as i picked a remap, so a sexy gift and a remap would be awesom, make it so captain picard.. erm i mean gm dude CCP-áare full of words and no action. We will watch what they are doing, for now
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Aphatasis
Evoke. Ev0ke
0
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:51:00 -
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Hope the "Remap" as a gift will come back. Only think i would want. Rest of the gifts have no real benefit for me. If it won't come back i'm quit sure i won't take any of the gift. Sry to say this. |
Sentient Blade
Walk It Off Coalition of the Unfortunate
122
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:54:00 -
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Avensys wrote:if ccp decides to go back on the remaps gift, my alt will be stuck with 27 points in Charisma for the next year
If I ended up with that I'd just self destruct my pod over and over again until I felt clean. |
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AJ Yaga
Those Magnificent Men In Their Flying Machines.
3
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:57:00 -
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Suk Mikakka wrote:CCP incompetence rears it's ugly head once again.
Take some advice, the only way you recover from this without looking like even larger turds than you already do, is give everybody a free remap and let us choose our Christmas gifts again.
It's bad enough you've given so many people reason for excitement with a free, and priceless, remap, but to take it away literally hours after you offered it would reek of pure stupidity.
Do the right thing, CCP.
Erm...they haven't taken it away. It's been withdrawn while they re-align the remap delivery in accordance with what the majority of the playerbase anticipated.
And with regard to "doing the right thing" - they did. The "wrong thing" would have been to just roll out something that was not aligned with what people were expecting.
With respect, the only pure stupidity is your own. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
195
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:58:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:Give free remap to everyone like last year. And at the same time reset gift choice on all accounts, and replace remap with snowball launcher and 300 snowballs. Problem solved
FYP
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
1189
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:04:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Elindreal wrote:sooo... any choice between now and the 21st is final therefore i should wait until midnight of the 21st to see if the remap makes a triumphant return? I think they'll know a couple days beforehand if it will return or not, and will inform us. Since I already chose the remap ... if it doesn't return, I assume I'll get to pick again?
If that were to be the result, of course. CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |
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Mioelnir
Cataclysm Enterprises Ev0ke
33
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:07:00 -
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AJ Yaga wrote:And with regard to "doing the right thing" - they did. The "wrong thing" would have been to just roll out something that was not aligned with what people were expecting.
It may not be her proudest moment, but our little EVE has a history of rewarding those that know how stuff works over those that think they know how stuff works.
Maybe one should try "I totally did not expect that" the next time one gets concordokkened as reimbursement petition text. Apparently, someone cares. |
Chowdercannon
Special Aces Fat Raptor Ltd
0
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:08:00 -
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AJ Yaga wrote:Suk Mikakka wrote:CCP incompetence rears it's ugly head once again.
Take some advice, the only way you recover from this without looking like even larger turds than you already do, is give everybody a free remap and let us choose our Christmas gifts again.
It's bad enough you've given so many people reason for excitement with a free, and priceless, remap, but to take it away literally hours after you offered it would reek of pure stupidity.
Do the right thing, CCP. Erm...they haven't taken it away. It's been withdrawn while they re-align the remap delivery in accordance with what the majority of the playerbase anticipated. And with regard to "doing the right thing" - they did. The "wrong thing" would have been to just roll out something that was not aligned with what people were expecting. With respect, the only pure stupidity is your own. Actually CCP Guard said they MIGHT bring it back. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
56
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:08:00 -
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Hopefully it doesn't resets the timer, seems like some people would get too easy of a time with it then really. We shall see what it turns into though. |
Going Nowhere
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:09:00 -
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What's with the people who only read the dev blog and afterwards choose there holiday gift, without recognizing that they are missing a choice? Also why can't we change the selection of the holiday gift till the deadline? I can't see any good reasons for this decision but considering the temp. disabling of the remap choice it would have been a lot smoother if the selection could be changed till the deadline.
I also will be annoyed if i can't choose a neural remap this year, because last year my remap timer ended in February and the holiday gift was useless to me. |
samivael
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:09:00 -
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Thanks for the speedy update |
Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
340
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:11:00 -
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Thank you CCP for letting us know what is going on, my issue with this matter is likely a common one,
Last time CCP gifted everyone a remap, I was about 45 days from my next one, so I got 45 days off, which is nice of course, but not as cool as those with a remap already stored up, who then had 2 and a timer running. Now I am about 60 days from my remap ... I'm a ******* profanity filter that can catch **** and *****, but fuckin little else. -á
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pmchem
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
157
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:12:00 -
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CCP is just trying to make people happy, cut them some slack.
In my opinion the best way to make people who redeem that gift happy would be to have the 'redeem gift' option give the player an ingame item (a little card that looks like a PLEX), which can be activated to give the character who possesses it either +1 remap (if a remap is currently already available) or an immediately available remap (if timer is active).
Plus, the item could be bought/sold via market and contracts which would make it... ahem, highly sought after and a preview of the market if CCP ever went the PLEX or GTC for remaps microtransaction route.
However, it's only 8 days until the 21st and putting that type of gift in now would be, well, a lot of effort for the programming team. |
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