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Maxwell Albritten
Dark Vanguard Moon Warriors
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:19:00 -
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pmchem wrote:Plus, the item could be bought/sold via market and contracts which would make it... ahem, highly sought after and a preview of the market if CCP ever went the PLEX or GTC for remaps microtransaction route.
You are a terrible person. Quit EvE now for even suggesting this. I don't even want your stuff. Just quit. |
Derkata
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:24:00 -
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All of the gifts make sense, but I can't for the life of me figure out why there isn't an option of a 1 or 2 run BPC of the new BC's in the list?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
539
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:26:00 -
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Just out of curiosity, what exactly IS the current "not quite as intended" behaviour ? Maybe we can suggest adjustments to make it fairer. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |
Derkata
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:29:00 -
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Akita T wrote:Just out of curiosity, what exactly IS the current "not quite as intended" behaviour ? Maybe we can suggest adjustments to make it fairer.
From the sound of it, it appears that it doesn't add in as quite a +1 remap so that if you had 3 months left until your next remap, taking this gift would reset that timer. Obviously that isn't a great gift anymore. |
AJ Yaga
Those Magnificent Men In Their Flying Machines.
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:39:00 -
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Chowdercannon wrote:AJ Yaga wrote:Suk Mikakka wrote:CCP incompetence rears it's ugly head once again.
Take some advice, the only way you recover from this without looking like even larger turds than you already do, is give everybody a free remap and let us choose our Christmas gifts again.
It's bad enough you've given so many people reason for excitement with a free, and priceless, remap, but to take it away literally hours after you offered it would reek of pure stupidity.
Do the right thing, CCP. Erm...they haven't taken it away. It's been withdrawn while they re-align the remap delivery in accordance with what the majority of the playerbase anticipated. And with regard to "doing the right thing" - they did. The "wrong thing" would have been to just roll out something that was not aligned with what people were expecting. With respect, the only pure stupidity is your own. Actually CCP Guard said they MIGHT bring it back. I didn't interpret it that way. There was no 'might' in CCP Guard's message. What he said was:
"We are just looking at our options of improving the gift before it is distributed on the 22nd."
Although I do get the feeling that if it can't be 'fixed' to match expectation it may be withdrawn.
Personally, I have 1 remap ready to use now and I was anticipating having this 'gift' remap added, giving me a total of 2 remaps available. My intention is to use the gift remap for a short period to tidy up some charisma-centric skills, then use my regular remap for a skill plan that will last 1 year+. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this is what will be delivered. |
Dank Man
FinFleet Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:48:00 -
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I gotta say CCP your Remap stuff has been total BS. In the past you gave them out with no warning, so those of us who had 1 saved got 2, but those who were 1 month away from getting one, got their timer restarted, you screwed both my accounts once. Now you gave them out to some, and some can't get it, pretty darn unfair. I have used Min Maxing to maximize my training on my other account and have gotten 10m more skill points then this char in just 2 years, and thats without being rewarded with your free remaps in the past... really really lame, dont know what else to say, nothing you can really do to fix it... except by giving everyone +1 remap and NOT RESETTING THEIR TIMERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
77
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:50:00 -
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AJ Yaga wrote:Suk Mikakka wrote:CCP incompetence rears it's ugly head once again.
Take some advice, the only way you recover from this without looking like even larger turds than you already do, is give everybody a free remap and let us choose our Christmas gifts again.
It's bad enough you've given so many people reason for excitement with a free, and priceless, remap, but to take it away literally hours after you offered it would reek of pure stupidity.
Do the right thing, CCP. Erm...they haven't taken it away. It's been withdrawn while they re-align the remap delivery in accordance with what the majority of the playerbase anticipated. And with regard to "doing the right thing" - they did. The "wrong thing" would have been to just roll out something that was not aligned with what people were expecting. With respect, the only pure stupidity is your own.
+1
It's hard to criticize CCP and still manage to look like a complete idiot. You pulled it off, grats.
The day CCP learns that the greatest gift they can give their customers (and the surest way for them to ensure long-term profitability) is a great game, instead of free ****, or loot pinatas, is the day I can stop being the voice of reason on forums and can go back to actually playing the game for more than a few hours a week. |
Derkata
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:51:00 -
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Dank Man wrote:I gotta say CCP your Remap stuff has been total BS. In the past you gave them out with no warning, so those of us who had 1 saved got 2, but those who were 1 month away from getting one, got their timer restarted, you screwed both my accounts once. Now you gave them out to some, and some can't get it, pretty darn unfair. I have used Min Maxing to maximize my training on my other account and have gotten 10m more skill points then this char in just 2 years, and thats without being rewarded with your free remaps in the past... really really lame, dont know what else to say, nothing you can really do to fix it... except by giving everyone +1 remap and NOT RESETTING THEIR TIMERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The rage like this is EXACTLY why they have pulled the remap option. |
Maxwell Albritten
Dark Vanguard Moon Warriors
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:52:00 -
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Dank Man wrote:I gotta say CCP your Remap stuff has been total BS. In the past you gave them out with no warning, so those of us who had 1 saved got 2, but those who were 1 month away from getting one, got their timer restarted, you screwed both my accounts once. Now you gave them out to some, and some can't get it, pretty darn unfair. I have used Min Maxing to maximize my training on my other account and have gotten 10m more skill points then this char in just 2 years, and thats without being rewarded with your free remaps in the past... really really lame, dont know what else to say, nothing you can really do to fix it... except by giving everyone +1 remap and NOT RESETTING THEIR TIMERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You have forgotten one thing: we're in the age of CCP reading comments. In the past, any complaints about the remaps were ignored. Be grateful they are listening now and take what you can get.
Unless CCP invents a time machine for the sole purpose of addressing and pass misfortunes that have fallen on you and your alts. Then, by all means, keep ranting. |
Jake Centauri
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:53:00 -
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Just remove the timer altogether and issue a new remap to everyone each December. You would never have to wait more than 365 days for a remap and you won't penalize anyone whose current timer is active. |
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Chowdercannon
Special Aces Fat Raptor Ltd
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:59:00 -
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AJ Yaga wrote:I didn't interpret it that way. There was no 'might' in CCP Guard's message. What he said was:
"We are just looking at our options of improving the gift before it is distributed on the 22nd."
Although I do get the feeling that if it can't be 'fixed' to match expectation it may be withdrawn.
Personally, I have 1 remap ready to use now and I was anticipating having this 'gift' remap added, giving me a total of 2 remaps available. My intention is to use the gift remap for a short period to tidy up some charisma-centric skills, then use my regular remap for a skill plan that will last 1 year+. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this is what will be delivered. "We have removed the remap from the list of available holiday gifts, at least temporarily". Interpreted as, "removed, while we figure out what we want to do, it might be back.". At least that's how I'm reading it. I as well have the same plans of usage if it's delivered as what everyone assumes it should be, an addition rather than a reset like it was last year. |
Sentient Blade
Walk It Off Coalition of the Unfortunate
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Posted - 2011.12.13 20:00:00 -
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I'm going to cry if it's only a reset. I imagine like most people I used the remap given to us last year in early January, so my 'gained' time would be about... 13 days.
I suspect this is the case for a great many others also. |
Kakita Kenkaze
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2011.12.13 20:01:00 -
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Is there anything preventing the gift having a redemption that expires on lets say Dec. 22nd 2012? It seems like this would allow one to redeem it after their next normal remap becomes available, and give them an actual +1 remaps. At the same time it wouldn't in anyway penalize anyone who's already made a remap in anticipation of the gift. I suppose it wouldn't stop someone from redeeming it right away who doesn't know better, but maybe a warning at the redemption screen explaining that would help?
I know I don't mind waiting the 11 months I would need to get a nice 3-4 month Charisma remap. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
465
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Posted - 2011.12.13 20:02:00 -
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I don't really care if it's some remap or whatsoever, I never take it has a due but has a gift and gifts are always good.
So if you want to give me one remap I'll be happy, If you give me 1 tritanium I'll think you guys are jokers but it's ok I'll have a good laugh and my game play/time will not change. The intention behind the gift it's a lot more important than the gift it self.
This being said, I wouldn't refuse a diner with CCP Punkturis. |
Keen Fallsword
Billionaires Club C0VEN
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Posted - 2011.12.13 20:07:00 -
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Bring it BACK guys !!! :* |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.13 20:08:00 -
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Akita T wrote:Just out of curiosity, what exactly IS the current "not quite as intended" behaviour ? Maybe we can suggest adjustments to make it fairer.
Because if you already have a remap, people can do this.
Quote:Personally, I have 1 remap ready to use now and I was anticipating having this 'gift' remap added, giving me a total of 2 remaps available. My intention is to use the gift remap for a short period to tidy up some charisma-centric skills, then use my regular remap for a skill plan that will last 1 year+. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this is what will be delivered. IE they get to optimally train some skills centred around non-optimal attributes.
And if you don't already have a remap, all you get is this.
Quote:From the sound of it, it appears that it doesn't add in as quite a +1 remap so that if you had 3 months left until your next remap, taking this gift would reset that timer. Obviously that isn't a great gift anymore. In my case, the "free remap" just means I get the remap I'm due in January one month earlier. Which is nice an all, but quite underwhelming.
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Jake Centauri
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2011.12.13 20:16:00 -
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On the date of the gift, eliminate the remap timers altogether. Award those with active timers their pending remaps immediately and, on top of that, issue the gift remap. Those with unused remaps (no active timer) would get an extra one for their bank. Those with active timers get 2: the one they are due plus the gift. Then just issue new remaps at the end of every calendar year and be done with the timers.
Yes this skews the gift toward those with active timers, but the cat is out of the bag now. |
Rixiu
North Star Networks The Kadeshi
33
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Posted - 2011.12.13 20:33:00 -
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ITT: People liking the idea of instant infinte remaps. Seriously? I've always remaps one of the core aspects of skilling and choosing a good or bad remap is among the most important choices you make (skill wise) and something that you usually put a lot of thought into. Why do we all of a sudden get 2 remaps/year? It removes a lot of the planning aspect of the game imho.
tl;dr learn to plan more than 2 weeks ahead and CCP stop turning easy mode on |
Buzzmong
Aliastra Gallente Federation
49
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Posted - 2011.12.13 20:36:00 -
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Christmas gifts?
Silly question, but outside of that redeemable implant, what gifts and where?
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Imperator Bloodhowl
Logic's End Trans Stellar Consolidation
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Posted - 2011.12.13 20:36:00 -
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I am sure someone will quickly respond and have a go at me for some reason or other but could you not set up so that once claimed there would be no limetation on redeeming the gift. This would allow those who want to wait for their upcoming remap to add the gift one after they have recieved their schedualed one whist those who want to claim it asap could choose to do so. |
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Derkata
3
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Posted - 2011.12.13 20:38:00 -
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Imperator Bloodhowl wrote:I am sure someone will quickly respond and have a go at me for some reason or other but could you not set up so that once claimed there would be no limetation on redeeming the gift. This would allow those who want to wait for their upcoming remap to add the gift one after they have recieved their schedualed one whist those who want to claim it asap could choose to do so.
That is why they are trying to fix it. They don't want to let gifts sit there but they also don't want to force your remap to be used right now and mess up any upcoming remaps. |
Korbin Dallaz
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.12.13 20:40:00 -
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What ever you decide on this it had better be for everyone. If you allow some people to have it and other not that will be a huge mistake IMO. Some people already used current remaps with the promise of having this new one granted to us. I was reworking my skill plan and just about to remap when this was brought to my attention. I'm glad someone notified me before I used my current remap for a brief period only to be screwed by not having this available. I'm sure some others have already done so and will be screwed if you don't allow them this option. |
ASadOldGit
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2011.12.13 20:41:00 -
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Buzzmong wrote:Christmas gifts?
Silly question, but outside of that redeemable implant, what gifts and where?
Guess you've been away Look under Account Management options on the website (after logging in) https://secure.eveonline.com/ My container is NOT imploding! It's just a bit upset that it only sees cheap crap. |
ASadOldGit
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2011.12.13 20:52:00 -
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The whole remap thing should just be kept to a simple counter based on account creation date or first subscription date. One remap per anniversary. No need for messy timers.
Could even be calculated retroactively: (number of anniversaries) - (remaps used) = remaps available (assuming that data is stored somewhere)
Each year, it's a simple +1
Who cares if someone has 8 remaps 'cos they've never used. It's not as if they're suddenly going to use all 8 of them in a few days. And they've "paid" for those remaps with time. Literally years!
And there shouldn't be an issue with character sales, since remaps are per account, not character - they would simply acquire that new accounts' existing remaps.
My container is NOT imploding! It's just a bit upset that it only sees cheap crap. |
Sizeof Void
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.13 20:57:00 -
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Replace the remap gift with the snowball launchers.
They were a lot more fun and a lot less controversial... :) |
Korbin Dallaz
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.12.13 21:04:00 -
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While we are on the topic of remaps I see no reason why only people that have used all of their remaps should get a new one every year. I currently have 3 active accounts. Of those one has never remaped and two have remaped once, more than a year ago. So the way I see it this spring I should be getting my third remap granted since I planed well in advance and stayed on one map for a long time, which by the way took planning and sacrifice. What has actually happened is that I have never been granted a yearly remap. I've never been down to zero remaps available on any account. People who used them up right away get rewarded for burning through them and that does not seem to reward the careful planning that you claim the yearly remap is supposed to reward. |
Clith
The Circle Inver Brass
30
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Posted - 2011.12.13 21:07:00 -
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Is an option not to have it as a redeemable gift like the implants have been, but with no expiry date That way those who choose the remap and currently have for example 4 months until their next one can then redeem it when they want to use it and it won't affect their time until next available remap |
Buzzmong
Aliastra Gallente Federation
49
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Posted - 2011.12.13 21:12:00 -
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ASadOldGit wrote:Buzzmong wrote:Christmas gifts?
Silly question, but outside of that redeemable implant, what gifts and where?
Guess you've been away Look under Account Management options on the website (after logging in) https://secure.eveonline.com/
Ta very much. Did I miss a devblog or annoucement in the past week or so then?
I've been wrestling with a new pc build so haven't been able to get on. |
Colleo
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
0
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Posted - 2011.12.13 21:21:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:CCP Guard wrote:essentially because it doesn't function as people sometimes think it does, and is therefore likely to mislead a good amount of those who choose it as their gift How exactly does the 'gift remap' differ from a normal remap?
Some of us had questions if it would stack or just reset the timer. Example, my remap comes up the 2nd of Feb next year. So just getting my remap month & a half, early isn't gonna do much. Meanwhile if you happen to have a remap open on your char, this gift remap would stack as they have before.. So that person could have 2 saved maps which is a great help.
Aded to this on the odd chance that CCP happened to gift another remap next year, then it would again come up at the same time as it would have anyway.. Meaning no gift for those whom didn't have a remap ready at the time of the gift. |
Blackberry Bold
Pegasis Internecine Acquisition Of Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.12.13 21:24:00 -
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ill hold off till the 21'st but hope you send out a mass mail telling everyone before hand whether you will be giving that option. Seems like a GREAT gift and I look forward to it. : ) |
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