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Immortal DeathKnight
Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.12.13 21:38:00 -
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i want more resets ! even if i already have 2-3 already available, i need more ! :D |
Calorn Marthor
Standard Fuel Company
2
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Posted - 2011.12.13 21:43:00 -
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Saying it again, I had two ideas on that:
A) If on the 22nd all who chose this option would have some kind of redeemable Neurosurgery that could be turned in for like 3 months, the issue would be less controversial. People with a timer could wait before redeeming and redeem right after taking their regular remap. People without timer could redeem any time for +1 remaps.
People with a timer >3 months do acually get a benefit if they remap right away since their timer will be shortened by a good deal (and not only a few days).
This does, however, not prevent the strange effects we saw last year (some people received MORE than one free remap...)
B) If everything is too messy with those remaps because the code does strange things and there is only one week of time: Replace that option for those who love character development by a number of free skill points to distribute. Easy. Has been done before. Affects everyone the same way. Ok, maybe new characters relatively get a stronger boost, but thats the same with the other gifts that also are "more" to a newbie.
I'd suggest something around 500k SP. Why? All this remapping is about 14 distributable attribute points (the 17 basic points plus imps always stay the same no matter what you do with or without remaps) In theory, the BEST you can do with those points is having them produce 12 skill points per minute (10 on primary attribute, 4 on secondary). If you are training only skills that perfectly match your attributes anyway, a remap does not do you any good. If you are training other skills, you gain something between 0 and 12 SP per minute. Assume it would be 6 SP on average. 6 SP/min x 60 min x 24h x 90 days for a dedicated training on some odd skill category yields 777.600 SP. That is a reasonable amount of skill points you would gain on average from a remap - if you think you would get more, reconsider you skill plans. You might have done something wrong in your past decisions.
Now, why 500k and not 777k? Well... freely distributable SP are worth more than better attributes, because you can assign them to skills with DIFFERENT attribute sets. And you don't have to wait 3 months.
If I would be presented with the choice of having a remap OR a number of SP, I would go for the free SP if they were 500k or more.
And whatever happens, it's gifts, they come for free and I absolutely like the idea of choosing one of these packages! Big thank you, CCP.
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Immortal DeathKnight
Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.12.13 21:47:00 -
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we want a choice of SP too !!! as another option of the gift |
Calorn Marthor
Standard Fuel Company
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Posted - 2011.12.13 21:48:00 -
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OMG, what did I do? |
Illectroculus Defined
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.13 22:10:00 -
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Avensys wrote:if ccp decides to go back on the remaps gift, my alt will be stuck with 27 points in Charisma for the next year
TII Ganglinks are hot properties right now. |
Mia Restolo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.13 22:10:00 -
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Calorn Marthor wrote:OMG, what did I do?
Make a reasonable yet awesome suggestion? Except of course for the incoming cries of anguish of anyone who already picked something else. |
Raptor217
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.13 22:25:00 -
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The remap should be +1 to your current remaps and you get to keep your current timer. |
Generals4
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.13 22:48:00 -
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Raptor217 wrote:The remap should be +1 to your current remaps and you get to keep your current timer.
I thought that was what it would be, seemed rather logical (though a bit unbalanced compared to the many "worthless" gifts) -Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |
Raptor217
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.13 22:50:00 -
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Generals4 wrote:Raptor217 wrote:The remap should be +1 to your current remaps and you get to keep your current timer. I thought that was what it would be, seemed rather logical (though a bit unbalanced compared to the many "worthless" gifts)
It pretty much priceless. I was planning on remapping for 3 months so I can get my leadership skills done. |
ISVRaDa
Mitical Mercadona Divine Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.12.13 22:51:00 -
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Thanks for the update.
Immortality is only a word. All that exists can die. Every living thing has a weapon against which it has no defense. Time. Disease. Iron. Guilt.
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Cindy Marco
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.13 22:51:00 -
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Wow, you guys really put yourselves in a crappy position this time.
You let the first people pick it, and then pulled it. But left the ability to pick gifts open.
Now most of your subscribers will pick a gift without knowing a remap was an option. So if you do add it back, you screw all of them over.
Or you pull the remap, and screw over any who just used a remap because you told them they could have another one. A year with the wrong stats is a huge deal.
But if you reset the picks, and someone doesn't hear about it, they lose their gift completely because of your mistake. Alot of people are go on holiday around this time. They might not check and site or forums until its too late.
You really should have just left the remap up. It would have caused you much less pain.
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Katy Ling
Crimnson Concept Flame Flaming Nebula
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Posted - 2011.12.13 22:54:00 -
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The hole remap thing should be a good feature, as it allows us to maximise our avatar's learning potential. however the hole mechanic of it is inconvenient sometimes. An avatar that never remaps will only have up to 3 remaps, even if never used any, without accumulating any other, even if they're supposed to get 1 a year. Using one and making a remap mistake will be quite inconvenient if you realised you remapped for one thing and then realised you needed a different alignment to train 1 or 2 skills that you forgot, only leading to disappointment and displeasure. people have like 1 year to enjoy the full use of a remap and sometimes they can't fill a plan to the full extension and have something different to train and are desperate for a new remap - maybe you should reconsider the hole concept of remaps refresh ...
on a side note, CCP has done a lot a lot of work to improve the game, in the last times, but there's still a lot of work to be done. Since the "sticky windows" bug came some expansion/ patch ago, windows still come after the mouse pointer, out of they're place, even if ccp released some fixes, it haven't fixed it completely. but that's just one of several odd bugs, like npc's webs acting differently from player webs, slowing down acceleration, and not only reducing speed.
now, seems i missed the chance of another remap as i only found now about this ... (hey ... here something you won't get !!!)
well, how about fixing a few more bugs ? or deploy the T2 salvage fix from T1 to T2 ? now that would be a nice present ... not needed to be now, but soon ... |
Psychophantic
182
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Posted - 2011.12.13 22:59:00 -
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Allow remap to stay in redeemable items indefinitely until people want to activate and use it?
Profit. |
Lady Lard
Reikoku
0
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Posted - 2011.12.13 23:01:00 -
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Thanks CCP Guard.
I hadn't chosen it yet. I want it *badly* though, on all my accounts. just hope that either you bring it back for all, or remove it for all, preferably the first option :)
Greetings,
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Adrenalinemax
High Tech Industries
4
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Posted - 2011.12.13 23:06:00 -
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Jake Centauri wrote:Just remove the timer altogether and issue a new remap to everyone each December. You would never have to wait more than 365 days for a remap and you won't penalize anyone whose current timer is active.
Ding Ding
Winner, Winner Chicken Dinner |
Shingyoku
Griffin Capsuleers Ad-Astra
0
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Posted - 2011.12.13 23:11:00 -
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begun this remapgate has. CCP I think you might want to just cut your losses on this and give everyone a remap. |
Alisarina
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.13 23:46:00 -
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I'm still kind of surprised that Remaps are not reset across the game on Jan 1st every year. Gives no advantage/disadvantage to anyone. If you have no remaps in storage when Jan 1st swings around in a few weeks time, you get 2 remaps (1 cashing in your pending 1 and 1 for the roll over to the new system) and then every year on Jan 1st you get another one.
Yes it means people with no remaps get a 'free' one and those that have 1 pending or more get only 1, but I guess that's the price you pay to set up a new system.
All in all though, thanks for the heads up with whats going on. It is appreciated CCP Guard. |
Niko Takahashi
United Starbase Systems
14
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Posted - 2011.12.14 00:00:00 -
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Ehh OK remap now. |
Remric
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
0
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Posted - 2011.12.14 00:09:00 -
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You have dangled this tantalizing fruit in my face, and I have accepted that it will be mine. If you take it away, Christmas will be ruined.
On a more positive note, thanks for the update. The many recent improvements to the game and in communication make this a minor irritation rather than reason for outrage.
But don't ruin Christmas. |
Alexsei Volkov
Order Of Black Knights
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Posted - 2011.12.14 00:24:00 -
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Raptor217 wrote:Generals4 wrote:Raptor217 wrote:The remap should be +1 to your current remaps and you get to keep your current timer. I thought that was what it would be, seemed rather logical (though a bit unbalanced compared to the many "worthless" gifts) It pretty much priceless. I was planning on remapping for 3 months so I can get my leadership skills done.
This is pretty much exactly what I had decided to do when I learned about the remap. Finally give me an excuse to get the fleet boost skills up to fly Sleipnir. Can't come up with enough skills to drag a remap out to a year to justify doing it and don't want to waste the time skilling them with off stats when I have other things I want to do on a good remap. |
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Ellendras Silver
Cosmodynamics
0
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Posted - 2011.12.14 00:42:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:Give free remap to everyone like last year. And at the same time reset gift choice on all accounts, deleting previously chosen remap gifts. Problem solved
that would rock |
Cerulean Ice
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.12.14 02:08:00 -
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Screw the remap, i want more snowballs! :D |
Odarin
Hard Knocks Inc.
0
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Posted - 2011.12.14 02:41:00 -
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Cerulean Ice wrote:Screw the remap, i want more snowballs! :D And a new item to store them: Freezer Container Would hate for them to melt again |
Zifrian
Deep Space Innovations
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Posted - 2011.12.14 03:09:00 -
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I'll be totally honest, I can't think of one person in the game that would choose any of the items listed over a remap.
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Movtaron
Spiritus Draconis
2
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Posted - 2011.12.14 03:20:00 -
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really, really want that remap as a gift... |
Movtaron
Spiritus Draconis
2
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Posted - 2011.12.14 03:22:00 -
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Zifrian wrote:I'll be totally honest, I can't think of one person in the game that would choose any of the items listed over a remap.
I agree, the only thing on the list of gifts being of any use, was the remap. rest of the stuff is useless. |
Sizeof Void
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
58
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Posted - 2011.12.14 03:26:00 -
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Changing the remap gift to a skill points gift might be one solution, if fixing the "free" remap mechanism isn't feasible by the 22nd (which is what I would suspect).
It might also be easier to balance, in terms of relative value, with the other gifts. A remap gift is an indivisible unit of 1, whereas the number of unallocated SP in a skill point gift could be set anywhere from 1 SP and up, to reflect a couple of hours or days worth of skill training, as desired.
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Nevermore Akiga
Serenity Prime Cascade Imminent
0
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Posted - 2011.12.14 03:37:00 -
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In my point, the only thing ccp should give to eve is a certain tool,just as eve itself. Whatever it is, there should be no restriction to to anybody anything in eve but the object itself (the gift in this time). The removal of "remap" is obviously beyond the basic principal of eve. That actually divides the whole sandbox into 2 parts, one with the gifts chiose contain remap, and one with the gifts choise ex contain the remap. And this is an unexpected interference from CCP rather than a game mechanism. Whatever changes or improvements you may make, just stick to one thing--keep the sandbox a sandbox,which makes eve the eve. |
Sawjack en Gravonere
Remnants of the Forgotten Seekers of the Unseen
0
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Posted - 2011.12.14 03:52:00 -
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CCP made a smart decision with Crucible. They listened to the players. Listen to everyone in the forums now please, and either give everyone a free remap (not a remap timer reset), or take away the remaps already handed out. I pay the same amount to play this game as the people who received the gift. It should either be available to everyone or to no one at all.
-my 2 cents |
Taipion
Operations Control United Pod Service
2
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Posted - 2011.12.14 06:36:00 -
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Sawjack en Gravonere wrote:CCP made a smart decision with Crucible. They listened to the players. Listen to everyone in the forums now please, and either give everyone a free remap (not a remap timer reset), or take away the remaps already handed out. I pay the same amount to play this game as the people who received the gift. It should either be available to everyone or to no one at all.
-my 2 cents
+1
You can-Št image how it burns, last time I got mere 2 weeks faster remap, where others got 2 or even 3 YEARS worth of waiting time.
And you are right, I do pay the same as everyone else, so if they mess up like this, again, I might go to fanfest next year just to beat them up until they hand out my (by then) 4 missing remaps. -.-
Still, I hope for the best! |
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