Pages: [1] :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Sheltar Haarmen
506 Irregulars The Volition Cult
1
|
Posted - 2015.12.15 16:27:33 -
[1] - Quote
Recently rats and drones started to behave strangely.
1. Sentry drones set on aggresive have trouble catching up with their aggro, when rats doesn't fire directly at them. 2. Rats on the other hand focus drones so fiercely like never before. It went to the point that you can literally unfit your repper because all dps is now soaked up by your drones . They ignore your ship COMPLETELY and I am not the only one that noticed this.
Of course there is no official note/patch about changes in the AI of any kind.
CCP, please refer to this issue. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
9715
|
Posted - 2015.12.15 16:28:54 -
[2] - Quote
Hello, Ralph...
oh
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
|
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4863
|
Posted - 2015.12.15 16:50:20 -
[3] - Quote
So we can now free up a slot for a shield booster or armor repairer and simple deploy cheap drones as bait? Sweet...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
|
Unsuccessful At Everything
the troll bridge
23317
|
Posted - 2015.12.15 16:54:39 -
[4] - Quote
Confirming that CCP has indeed nerfed Drone Ninjas.
They were too damn sneaky.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
|
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
821
|
Posted - 2015.12.15 16:54:53 -
[5] - Quote
Arthur Aihaken wrote:So we can now free up a slot for a shield booster or armor repairer and simple deploy cheap drones as bait? Sweet...
Until they all blowed uo fast and you die, or rotate them and get the high damage aggro still
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
|
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
13062
|
Posted - 2015.12.15 17:05:03 -
[6] - Quote
... well this is awkward.
Better the Devil you know.
=]|[=
|
Hochopepa
POS Consultants Group LLC
17
|
Posted - 2015.12.15 17:15:43 -
[7] - Quote
Actually, a while back, CCP pushed an update that gave standard rats better AI similar to sleepers for the express purpose of combating afk drone boats. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
the troll bridge
23318
|
Posted - 2015.12.15 17:25:52 -
[8] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote: ... well this is awkward.
We always knew you were a VOLT alt... we still love you though.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
|
Cidanel Afuran
Static-Noise Upholders
497
|
Posted - 2015.12.15 17:29:50 -
[9] - Quote
Hochopepa wrote:Actually, a while back, CCP pushed an update that gave standard rats better AI similar to sleepers for the express purpose of combating afk drone boats.
This. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1874
|
Posted - 2015.12.15 17:40:22 -
[10] - Quote
Ran a ninjaed DED site in my Stratios yesterday and everything worked fine, no drone aggro at all (small and mediums on frigs and cruisers/battlecruisers) ...
I'm my own NPC alt.
|
|
Sheltar Haarmen
506 Irregulars The Volition Cult
1
|
Posted - 2015.12.15 18:25:37 -
[11] - Quote
Cidanel Afuran wrote:Hochopepa wrote:Actually, a while back, CCP pushed an update that gave standard rats better AI similar to sleepers for the express purpose of combating afk drone boats. This.
Nope, not this.
This change like being said, was a while back, it introduced aggro on drones yes, compared to when it didn't exist at all before, but recently it went to whole another level, rats literally ignore your ship COMPLETELY once you deploy your drones, it never was like that, and I think isn't supposed to be. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1064
|
Posted - 2015.12.15 20:21:54 -
[12] - Quote
Sheltar Haarmen wrote:Cidanel Afuran wrote:Hochopepa wrote:Actually, a while back, CCP pushed an update that gave standard rats better AI similar to sleepers for the express purpose of combating afk drone boats. This. Nope, not this. This change like being said, was a while back, it introduced aggro on drones yes, compared to when it didn't exist at all before, but recently it went to whole another level, rats literally ignore your ship COMPLETELY once you deploy your drones, it never was like that, and I think isn't supposed to be. That's part of the christmas package. They're introducing tanking drones and we're getting the first blueprints for christmas.
Remove insurance.
|
Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
2865
|
Posted - 2015.12.16 04:55:15 -
[13] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote: ... well this is awkward. "So about those child support payments..." |
Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
237
|
Posted - 2015.12.16 05:06:20 -
[14] - Quote
Having to juggle drones is not good. People AFK droning is not good either.
I'm in the middle. I think if there was a problem, I'm glad CCP is trying to fix it but I think that this fix can be fixed too. Now I feel like I have to pull another gun off of my domi (it's starting to feel useless with it's guns anyways) for a remote repper.
I can has blogging skills!
|
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1756
|
Posted - 2015.12.16 06:02:56 -
[15] - Quote
There are unconfirmed reports its changed back.
If the purpose was to stop AFK drone ratting it certainly had no effect at all on MJD sentry boats. |
erg cz
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
380
|
Posted - 2015.12.16 09:15:23 -
[16] - Quote
Sheltar Haarmen wrote:Recently rats and drones started to behave strangely.
1. Sentry drones set on aggresive have trouble catching up with their aggro, when rats doesn't fire directly at them. 2. Rats on the other hand focus drones so fiercely like never before. It went to the point that you can literally unfit your repper because all dps is now soaked up by your drones . They ignore your ship COMPLETELY and I am not the only one that noticed this.
Can't agree. I use sniper fit Dominix with wardens shooting at 150 km optimal, and as soon as Caldary navy came into their 125 km optimal my poor ship was hummered with 400-500 DPS (Missing Persons Report), none on my drones. I fire ship guns at all (all capacitor on repairer).
Absolutely free trial extension. Just click the link and get your extra 2 weeks of Eve for free!
|
Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
2213
|
Posted - 2015.12.16 09:22:54 -
[17] - Quote
I kinda want to see some fraps of this crazy drone hate, I'm just not seeing it. although I have heard they fixed it from somewhere
@ChainsawPlankto
|
Tamiroth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
221
|
Posted - 2015.12.16 11:27:37 -
[18] - Quote
It depends on drone and rat size, actually.
I deploy lights in a room full of BCs and BCs, everyone but a few elite frigates ignores them.
I deploy heavies in the same room, every rat goes after those. |
Sheltar Haarmen
506 Irregulars The Volition Cult
1
|
Posted - 2015.12.16 20:34:45 -
[19] - Quote
Tamiroth wrote:It depends on drone and rat size, actually.
I deploy lights in a room full of BCs and BCs, everyone but a few elite frigates ignores them.
I deploy heavies in the same room, every rat goes after those.
That's how it always worked, rats focusing drones based on how well they can apply damage to them is working as intended.
What is not working as intended though is situation when enemy AIs keep focusing your drones regardless of anything, if it's supposed to nerf afk ratting then it's doing smth very wrong because you replace one exploit with another.
I'm not sure how situation looks now (gotta run some tests) but there was a brief moment when you could actually grab a turret bonused ship, stuff its drone bay with cheap ass T1s, and virtually ignore building any tank, blitzing through anoms with full rack of damage mods, untouched by anything by 90% of the time you stayed on grid, with the exeption of a small window directly after warp in. |
Hochopepa
POS Consultants Group LLC
20
|
Posted - 2015.12.17 15:35:35 -
[20] - Quote
I've not had an issue with Fighters on down to lights. Occasionally, a rat will aggro a drone, but nothing like you are saying you are seeing. |
|
MicDeath Titan
Titans Guild
105
|
Posted - 2015.12.17 15:47:39 -
[21] - Quote
Wait, is the salvager drone back to having Titan level threat tables? SWEEET! brb refitting drone bay. |
Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
719
|
Posted - 2015.12.18 01:40:06 -
[22] - Quote
Hochopepa wrote:I've not had an issue with Fighters on down to lights. Occasionally, a rat will aggro a drone, but nothing like you are saying you are seeing.
It's pretty rich seeing a fighter get aggro'd by npcs. So long as you play musical chairs with their lock cycles you can quite safely ignore all dps on them while burning down elite cruisers and battleships.
Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
|
Hal Morsh
Hmmzor. Muffins of Mayhem
462
|
Posted - 2015.12.18 02:05:29 -
[23] - Quote
Caleb Seremshur wrote:Hochopepa wrote:I've not had an issue with Fighters on down to lights. Occasionally, a rat will aggro a drone, but nothing like you are saying you are seeing. It's pretty rich seeing a fighter get aggro'd by npcs. So long as you play musical chairs with their lock cycles you can quite safely ignore all dps on them while burning down elite cruisers and battleships.
CCP took their more intelligent AI that made sleepers scary and applied it to NPC's all over the place. It's still much smarter as killing drones brings down DPS, but we can still out effort and out think an AI. That's about it.
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
|
Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
719
|
Posted - 2015.12.18 06:41:24 -
[24] - Quote
Hal Morsh wrote:Caleb Seremshur wrote:Hochopepa wrote:I've not had an issue with Fighters on down to lights. Occasionally, a rat will aggro a drone, but nothing like you are saying you are seeing. It's pretty rich seeing a fighter get aggro'd by npcs. So long as you play musical chairs with their lock cycles you can quite safely ignore all dps on them while burning down elite cruisers and battleships. CCP took their more intelligent AI that made sleepers scary and applied it to NPC's all over the place. It's still much smarter as killing drones brings down DPS, but we can still out effort and out think an AI. That's about it.
It also helps having carrier 5/fighters5. Some people swear by geckos but honestly aside from a small amount of supervision there really is nothing to compare with killing a battleship in 2 or 3 seconds. You can literally dps an anom to death and then just do clean up on the frigates with smartbombs or mediums.
I agree about the ai being quite simplistic still despite all the work on them. Switching aggro isn't smart, having your primary burn away with mwd on while the rest of the npc fleet burns towards you however would kill many more afk ratters.
Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
|
Otso Bakarti
Filial Pariahs
553
|
Posted - 2015.12.18 07:52:26 -
[25] - Quote
I can see how in the past using drones was tantamount to a one-time buy of ammo for all eternity. Projectile and hybrid weapons users were getting hosed by this, and laser users less so but still there with faction and T2 crystal damage. So, a bit of loss in my drone department, requiring I pay up like the rest of "us" seemed quite in order.
However, the idea vs. the implementation is usually the sticking point and here is no different. The attrition on drones causes the expense to jump so far past using ammo that not using drones at all has now become the wise move. This is a shame since this toon here I rolled for the express purpose of playing in drone ships. Oh and alas, once I see the rubber hit the road, I feel I've duped myself for such an ambition.
As in all things such as this, calibration is all that is needed. If anyone at CCP listens to players any more, I'd like to add my voice to this hue and cry. I don't mind losing drones at an operational attrition rate. However, if losses become ridiculously expensive (consuming most of your mission payout for instance) then it must either be corrected, or the practice stopped.
Prudence dictates over preference every time.
There just isn't anything that can be said!
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1] :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |