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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2003.12.04 14:00:00 -
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I know this is a ridiculous idea and has a very slim chance of working but has anyone ever tried to hold a belt or system for the purpose of letting roids grow and stop other corps from mining them?
I know I am up for a million types of critisism about its free space and that but, why not try and keep a little piece for yourself.
I am open to any views about it and if it can work and how.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.12.04 14:02:00 -
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Man, have you ever wondered why there are regional alliances in EVE?
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2003.12.04 14:08:00 -
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Quote: Man, have you ever wondered why there are regional alliances in EVE?
OK, so an alliance with 50 corps all want to mine one belt of bistot. How much does each corp get???????
I am on about a system or belt that is either under another alliance so we don't care about agressive actions. Or they have no real alliance claiming ownership of the system.
Understand what I am trying to say now??
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Tension
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Posted - 2003.12.04 14:08:00 -
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There is now an experiment with this in the Outer Ring or something.
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HostageTaker
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Posted - 2003.12.04 14:11:00 -
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Outer Ring is locked down to mining for the week in order to let the high end ores to respawn. Anyone found mining in Outer Ring is automatically put on KOS. This goes for visitors aswell as Outer Ring Society members.
Does that answer your guestion?
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2003.12.04 14:14:00 -
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Quote: Outer Ring is locked down to mining for the week in order to let the high end ores to respawn. Anyone found mining in Outer Ring is automatically put on KOS. This goes for visitors aswell as Outer Ring Society members.
Does that answer your guestion?
Is this working? or are there still players going out to mine?
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.12.04 14:24:00 -
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Nobody can hold or own any system or belt in Eve. As soon as you log off, you lose control of that system.
Eve territory is transient.
There are no regional alliances, and no regional alliance can prevent anyone from going to any system.
So why bother even trying? -------------------------------------------- Dead
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HostageTaker
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Posted - 2003.12.04 14:27:00 -
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Some visitors try, but only end up in more debt.
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2003.12.04 14:32:00 -
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Quote: Nobody can hold or own any system or belt in Eve. As soon as you log off, you lose control of that system.
Eve territory is transient.
There are no regional alliances, and no regional alliance can prevent anyone from going to any system.
So why bother even trying?
Why try..... well if you need to get your hands on some bistot and you know of a few systems that are close and that have some then why not try. If you can stop or create a good enough deterant then it would give the roids chance to grow and thus providing the needed ore.
As it's only an idea and I wanted to know if any have done it with any success.
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Eltigre
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Posted - 2003.12.04 14:44:00 -
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Hey, let me whisper a "secret" into your think little skulls... nobody needs to go looking for Bistot in order to get Zydrine or Megacyte... - hehe... And I doubt you could lock-down my ability to do so anyway... - lol !
There is Zydrine and Megacyte (in high-sec space) enough to make torpedos that get fired at really tiny NPC's in high-sec space... torpedos that cost 1000 isk or less are almost FREE - lol - hehe... low-risk and NO debt ever ! - lol
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2003.12.04 14:56:00 -
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Quote: Hey, let me whisper a "secret" into your think little skulls... nobody needs to go looking for Bistot in order to get Zydrine or Megacyte... - hehe... And I doubt you could lock-down my ability to do so anyway... - lol !
There is Zydrine and Megacyte (in high-sec space) enough to make torpedos that get fired at really tiny NPC's in high-sec space... torpedos that cost 1000 isk or less are almost FREE - lol - hehe... low-risk and NO debt ever ! - lol
For starter if you know where that much is then great, but if you don't then you have to try and make the most of the bist you do know of.
I am getting the same words of wisdom from some of my corp "Whats the point??" Well until you try it and see how it plays out then you will never find out. Even if it doesn't work then its bound to be fun trying.
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Kenneth Lay
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Posted - 2003.12.04 15:57:00 -
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I know your point Pychian. I've had some ideas, but like someone said as soon as they log off they would be open.
You would probably need a couple ppl with two accounts. One acount is just a simple frigate in the system you want to protect. If someone comes in local you ask them to leave, if they don't then you other account can come and and enforce or get your buddies to come in.
If you have maybe, mayyybe, 4-5 ppl with 2 accounts doing this you might be able to horde off ppl long enough to let it grow. _______________________ CEO of Enron Corporation Enron Corporation (15 members of friends) |
Ch'ryl
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Posted - 2003.12.04 16:10:00 -
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I remember Arcane Technologies UK trying that experiment in a belt in .3 space once. The idea was to mine away all the big scord and veld etc and to leave the Jaspet alone to grow. They got the 'locals' to agree to leave the belt alone, but unfortunately, like Miso says, you have to log off sometime and someone came in and mined out all the Jaspet before they had a chance to see if it had worked.
Why is it that when someone tells you that there are over a billion stars in the universe, you believe them, but if they tell you there is wet paint somewhere, you have to touch it to make sure? |
Drachir
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Posted - 2003.12.04 17:24:00 -
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BIG did an experiment. Conluded that bistot doesnt regrow even if you mine out the entire belt leaving only bistot roids.
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2003.12.04 17:36:00 -
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Nope. Have tried this is deep space. A dead Bist roid respawns into a baby in a day or two. A baby grows very slowly, about 6-12 ore units per day (very roughly).
It takes a few weeks to have healthy roids again after stripping all the bist out of a belt. We've killed a few belts/systems in our time and there is no point going back within the month, but after that it is usually worth the effort.
Those who believe that baby roids are a bug need to log on in the middle of the night/workday (their time) and look around when they usually don't play. They'll discover European, Australian, Asian and/or North American players online and mining in the belts they though were their personal secret.
I had a few sleepness nights and days off in August and discovered that most of the Bist in Pure Blind(yes there is some) for example is mined twice per day at least(so it's ALWAYS mini-roids). Same with Kernite, etc. in empire.
BW (a former believer in baby roid bug theory)
I find the baby roids bug theory funny, as I think it's the first persistent urban legend among EVE miners.
Originally by: Selim
Cool, congrats.
Oh, stupid idea by the way.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.12.04 17:54:00 -
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Edited by: dalman on 04/12/2003 17:55:56
Quote: BIG did an experiment. Conluded that bistot doesnt regrow even if you mine out the entire belt leaving only bistot roids.
MASS did an experiment too. We completely stripped a 0.0 system with 9 belts, depleting everything single roid that wasn't bistot (also found and mined out all hidden roids). Needless to say the %!#ñ/#!ñ%#ñ&!ñ/ bistot roids still didn't grow.
Only result is that even the Scordite roids are babyroids in that system now.
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Babar
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Posted - 2003.12.04 18:15:00 -
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Edited by: Babar on 04/12/2003 18:19:18 I have the impression that the eve universe has a fixed amount of each asteroid type.
If you mine 100 units of scord, that amount of rock is scattered randomly among all belts that are supposed to have scord.
Current situation is that all accessible bistot is mined out, so bist mining is slow as hell, which means regrowth isn't very good either.
Things should improve once mobile refineries come into the game, so the amount of ore mined goes up again.
If you're really really really set on increasing bist regrowth, i guess you could start strip-mining the far-out systems where all the ore is gathered, just jettisoning the ore you mine..
With all the manpower needed for a remote mining op, maybe the really large alliances would make better money sending off ~ 1/3 of their crew on 'ore spawning duty'..? ;p
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Buddrow
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Posted - 2003.12.04 20:07:00 -
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Edited by: Buddrow on 04/12/2003 20:08:42 ya ya ya, why do some poeple make off the wall claims. you can NOT keep poeple from going somewhere, maby you can keep them from mining while your on, but if someone wants to go somewhere and is an intelligent combat piolt, you'd be hard pressed to stop them.
i sure as hell know that i go just about wherever i want. i usally contemplate the repercusions of my actions tho. IE being station camped or hunted/forced to log. its nearly impossible to lock down an area with the current combat systems. altho there is ways to deter peeps.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.12.04 20:34:00 -
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We'll do what we can to ruin the ORS experiment.
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