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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
425
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Posted - 2015.12.20 04:15:11 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:
So let's try it again...
"Do you or do you not believe in a carebear conspiracy to ruin your game?"
Sorry, you are making a total strawman here. Nowhere did Tippia mention that there was some carebear consiracy to ruin her game. She didn't even argue that the existance of carebears affected her game negatively. So I don't see the point in raising the argument with her and demanding she confirm or deny it has any relavance at all.
I just want to get a plex as fast as i can so i dont have to worry about resubbing, 15 dollars is Cat litter and Food for my cat, or 2 Grams of Weed, i'd rather spend it on that then on this game--Rogue Mime
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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1137
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Posted - 2015.12.20 04:21:27 -
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Tippia wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:I feel like Richard Dawkins asking questions about apostasy.
So let's try it again...
"Do you or do you not believe in a carebear conspiracy to ruin your game?" Irrelevant. Quote: I mean complaining is an action not an attitude.
All actions it appears to be... Then you're not actually looking and instead just being wilfully obtuse, like the man said. All your list demonstrates is that action is not a useful defining characteristic, when what really separates them is the very obvious difference in attitude.
Fine. I'll take the refusal to answer the question as a moral victory.
Also you could have said that attitude is displayed through actions. I suppose that would haven been an acceptable response I think. Simply saying you cannot define carebear through actions seems kind of odd to me and a bit full of mental bigotry.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
9240
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Posted - 2015.12.20 04:22:25 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:All actions it appears to be... *sigh* I guess I have to spell it out for you.
Example: "A person who runs missions..." <-- action
"... and complains that people can interfere with his/her mission running activities..." <-- action and mentality
When a person speaks a certain way (or, in this case, "complains") they are not necessarily performing an action alone. They are revealing their mental state... their way of thinking. It is through this they can be defined.
Another example: "A person who does industry and hauls stuff around..." <-- action
"... but avoids any and all potentially profitable ventures and complains about it (because he/she doesn't want to expose him/herself to any possible risk)..." <--- action and mentality.
Again, a person refusing to accept possible risk and instead complain about it reveals their way thinking. This thinking is how we define this person as a "carebear."
It is pretty straightforward.
How did you Veterans start?
The Skillpoint System and You
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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1137
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Posted - 2015.12.20 04:23:35 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:
So let's try it again...
"Do you or do you not believe in a carebear conspiracy to ruin your game?"
Sorry, you are making a total strawman here. Nowhere did Tippia mention that there was some carebear consiracy to ruin her game. She didn't even argue that the existance of carebears affected her game negatively. So I don't see the point in raising the argument with her and demanding she confirm or deny it has any relavance at all.
I'm perfectly fine with the statement that carebears to no affect her game negatively.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
13177
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Posted - 2015.12.20 04:24:24 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:But the Tippia/Capt Tardbar argument does bring out the reason I posted. The attitude of my friends in FEAR was pretty much the same as Capt. Tardbar's. Tippia is arguing what I always believed before joining FEAR.
I guess it is a charged term like Family Value and should be ignored since everyone has their own idea what it means. Thanks for your input everyone. You've clarified a lot for me.
It simply doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. You just keep doing what you are doing. I salute you for it, and I do the same, I'm primarily a PVE minded player, but I understand that I'm playing a sandbox pvp game. Some people refuse to accept that and thus are eternally unhappy about EVE. It is no different from real life, I've seen unhappy people literally refuse to accept the reality of their situations, failing to understand that if they did accept it, they wouldn't be so unhappy (and might even be able to change their situations) lol.
My very favorite saying from this forum is in my bio: Lfod Shi wrote:.....This(!) is why I rat. The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1137
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Posted - 2015.12.20 04:25:11 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:All actions it appears to be... *sigh* I guess I have to spell it out for you. Example: "A person who runs missions..." <-- action "... and complains that people can interfere with his/her mission running activities..." <-- action and mentality When a person speaks a certain way (or, in this case, "complains") they are not necessarily performing an action alone. They are revealing their mental state... their way of thinking. It is through this they can be defined. Another example: "A person who does industry and hauls stuff around..." <-- action "... but avoids any and all potentially profitable ventures and complains about it (because he/she doesn't want to expose him/herself to any possible risk)..." <--- action and mentality. Again, a person's mentality is inferred by their refusal to accept risk and instead complain about it reveals their way thinking. This thinking is how we define this person as a "carebear." It is pretty straightforward.
But action and mentality still has action. I do not see how it could be otherwise.
Again, I do not see a problem if you stated, action can define attitude.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26548
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Posted - 2015.12.20 04:31:50 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Fine. I'll take the refusal to answer the question as a moral victory. Too bad I didn't refuse to answer. I simply rejected both your false dichotomy and your paranoid hypothetical. I understand that you are achingly desperate to pull some kind of victory out of your nonsensical and off-topic strawman, but it won't happen. You are simply not capable of doing so.
Quote:Also you could have said that attitude is displayed through actions. I did.
Quote:But action and mentality still has action. GǪand the differentiating factor is the attitude.
Quote:Again, I do not see a problem if you state, "Action can define attitude." But that would be backwards and wrong. In actuality, it's the other way around. Whether an action is defined as A or B depends on the attitude behind that action.
Oh, andGǪ
Quote:I'm perfectly fine with the statement that carebears to no affect her game negatively. No such statement will be forthcoming, so prepare to not be not-fine.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
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Pix Severus
Mew Age Outpaws
1410
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Posted - 2015.12.20 04:35:26 -
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I think there is some high-level trolling going on in this thread, I'd be impressed if I could fully comprehend it.
My lord.
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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1137
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Posted - 2015.12.20 04:36:27 -
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Tippia wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Fine. I'll take the refusal to answer the question as a moral victory. Too bad I didn't refuse to answer. I simply rejected both your false dichotomy and your paranoid hypothetical. I understand that you are achingly desperate to pull some kind of victory out of your nonsensical and off-topic strawman, but it won't happen. You are simply not capable of doing so. Quote:Also you could have said that attitude is displayed through actions. I did. Quote:But action and mentality still has action. GǪand the differentiating factor is the attitude. Quote:Again, I do not see a problem if you state, "Action can define attitude." But that would be backwards and wrong. In actuality, it's the other way around. Whether an action is defined as A or B depends on the attitude behind that action.
Oh I'm am not taking victory in this other than I get you to post more than you would otherwise... But if you remembered me from 2013-14 you should have remembered that. Every letter you type is a small victory in a weird sense.
I guess I might as well have asked "Why do you hate carebears?"
So... Why do you?
Can you give a reason why carebears affect you negativly? What is wrong with being labeled a carebear after all.
What is wrong with the mentality that appears to define them?
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
425
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Posted - 2015.12.20 04:37:33 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:My very favorite saying from this forum is in my bio: Lfod Shi wrote:.....This(!) is why I rat. The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
I like it!
My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26551
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Posted - 2015.12.20 04:38:39 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Oh I'm am not taking victory in this other than I get you to post more than you would otherwise. So basically, you are a troll, because that's what that attitude is generally called.
That also explains your desperation for a victory GÇö I'm well aware that a claim of GÇ£beatingGÇ¥ me at The Forums ranks very very highly in the EVE forum warrior bookGǪ
Quote:I guess I might as well have asked "Why do you hate carebears?" GǪand you would have gotten the same answer.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1137
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Posted - 2015.12.20 04:43:04 -
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Tippia wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Oh I'm am not taking victory in this other than I get you to post more than you would otherwise. So basically, you are a troll, because that's what that attitude is generally called. That also explains your desperation for a victory GÇö I'm well aware that a claim of GÇ£beatingGÇ¥ me at The Forums ranks very very highly in the EVE forum warrior bookGǪ Quote:I guess I might as well have asked "Why do you hate carebears?" GǪand you would have gotten the same answer.
So you don't hate carebears?
I am not trolling. Otherwise I would have come out and said that carebears need a safe space in high sec away from the drity gankers. Which I am not saying.
I am probaly agreeing with you, but you are so conflicted with me you can't do that.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26553
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Posted - 2015.12.20 04:48:09 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:So you don't hate carebears? The answer remains the same even if you do a rhetorical inversion.
You just demonstrated you are. Your attitude shines through your own stated actions.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
426
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Posted - 2015.12.20 04:54:13 -
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Tippia wrote:I'm well aware that a claim of GǣbeatingGǥ me at The Forums ranks very very highly in the EVE forum warrior bookGǪ
pew pew.
First shot. First Shot.
What did I win?
My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26553
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Posted - 2015.12.20 04:57:05 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:pew pew.
First shot. First Shot.
What did I win? A Han Solo Order of Merit memorial plaque.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
426
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Posted - 2015.12.20 05:02:26 -
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Sweet! I'll keep it forever, with my Fedo.
My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1137
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Posted - 2015.12.20 05:48:18 -
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Tippia wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:So you don't hate carebears? The answer remains the same even if you do a rhetorical inversion. You just demonstrated you are. Your attitude shines through your own stated actions.
If you say so.
Personally, I would like to know if you hate carebears or not. This is not a demononstratable (did I spell that right) proof that one of us is wrong or right, but I would like to know your opnion on carebears since it was sort of the topic. Let us not throw out, "IT'S A FALSE DICHTOMY!", but let us try to get aroudn that and say one way or another.
If we can define a carebear, is it a bad thing or not? I mean... Regardless of if we can define it, does that matter if we can?
I'll start. I am not a carebear, but I do not mind that they exist.
How about you?
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26553
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Posted - 2015.12.20 06:02:09 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Personally, I would like to know if you hate carebears or not. GǪand the answer remains the same. Live with it.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1137
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Posted - 2015.12.20 06:17:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Personally, I would like to know if you hate carebears or not. GǪand the answer remains the same. Live with it.
Oh well.
I suppose we can say you are indecisive and refuse to take a side in the carebear versus hardcore aspect of EVE.
So I take your indecisiveness as as support of the carebear lifestyle. As you refuse to condemn them, you must accept their right to exist and their playstyle is a valid one.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
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Top Guac
Mexican Avacado Syndicate
61
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Posted - 2015.12.20 06:32:06 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:... you must accept their right to exist and their playstyle is a valid one. As a vibrant ecosystem, New Eden needs its Krill, just as much as it needs it's top predators.
Carebears fill the Krill role well, all except for the noise they make. |
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Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
28128
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Posted - 2015.12.20 10:37:16 -
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Tardbar is such a troll ... ... and you people are so weak.
I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming...
THE GAME ! (:
You lost... :)
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Roberta Gastoni
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2015.12.20 13:14:58 -
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The worst carebear in eve is the forum warrior, equipped with rapid heavy trolling posts. |
Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
1151
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Posted - 2015.12.20 13:20:05 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:... So yea, I carebear in that I am very good at avoiding pvp usually. But I'm not against it, I'm not afraid of it. I just suck at it. But I don't avoid risk, rather I seek it out. ... You and I are very much alike in play style
Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format.
Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
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W33b3l
The Scope Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2015.12.20 13:26:43 -
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Omg lol
The definition of a carebear is as simple as this.
Someone that plays a multiplayer game who avoids situations where another player could force an unwanted interaction. |
Memphis Baas
821
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Posted - 2015.12.20 15:24:28 -
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Even "good fight" can be made sarcastic or derogatory, and EVE has a lot of psychological warfare encapsulating the actual pew pew.
So yeah, in theory "carebear" is about attitude towards the game, and in practice you shouldn't care what other people think or say, because attacking your confidence with slurs and derision is the first thing everyone does. |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
738
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Posted - 2015.12.20 15:58:26 -
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Every single player in EVE is a carebear. To sum it up, so long as they can calculate the adversity of the risk with isk...they are avoiding real risk (EVE fitting programs). Most ganks, cheap fit frigates, that kind of thing. Now if CCP could just reinstate skill point loss, remove pods and POP! from going through structure with a new clone appearing in home station...then you could fix that of avoidance to risk. Biggest risk is the investment of time and paid subscription, unable to recoup that quickly you now have to get that level 5 back
tl;dr : Skillpoints, highest value. Remove the ability to calculate the cost of a ship and now you don't have to worry about fitting it cheap as someone will cheap shitfit a destroyer or bring friends to ruin your day with an alpha loaded drive bye. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26555
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Posted - 2015.12.20 15:58:41 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:I suppose we can say you are indecisive and refuse to take a side in the carebear versus hardcore aspect of EVE. Nope. That's just yet another deeply ignorant strawman you've drawn up because your previous pathetic attempts failed as spectacularly as this one just did.
You have my answer. It is nothing other than what I have said. Any attempt on your part to expand on it is fallacious. Repeating the same tactic over and over will not suddenly turn your strawmen into anything other than what they are.
Just accept the simple fact that your paranoid hypothetical is irrelevant and move on.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
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W33b3l
The Scope Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2015.12.20 16:23:48 -
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Or just accept the fact that this is a hardcore PvP game and there are no true carebears except for the people that think they are safe and cry like crazy or rage quit when they find out the hard way they are not.
A so called carebear in EVE that actually plays EVE would be considered a PVPer in WOW. |
Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
28129
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Posted - 2015.12.20 16:51:38 -
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Aqriue wrote:Every single player in EVE is a carebear. To sum it up, so long as they can calculate the adversity of the risk with isk...they are avoiding real risk (EVE fitting programs). Most ganks, cheap fit frigates, that kind of thing. Now if CCP could just reinstate skill point loss, remove pods and POP! from going through structure with a new clone appearing in home station...then you could fix that of avoidance to risk. Biggest risk is the investment of time and paid subscription, unable to recoup that quickly you now have to get that level 5 back tl;dr : Skillpoints, highest value. Remove the ability to calculate the cost of a ship and now you don't have to worry about fitting it cheap as someone will cheap shitfit a destroyer or bring friends to ruin your day with an alpha loaded drive bye. Coming from a faceless char. Ofc YOU label everyone a carebear.
I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming...
THE GAME ! (:
You lost... :)
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Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
28129
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Posted - 2015.12.20 16:53:09 -
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W33b3l wrote:Omg lol
The definition of a carebear is as simple as this.
Someone that plays a multiplayer game who avoids situations where another player could force an unwanted interaction at all times. No. Too superficial, shallow or simply not accurately describing reality.
I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming...
THE GAME ! (:
You lost... :)
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