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Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy ChaosTheory.
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Posted - 2015.12.20 16:56:27 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:So yea, I carebear in that I am very good at avoiding pvp usually. But I'm not against it, I'm not afraid of it. I just suck at it. But I don't avoid risk, rather I seek it out. I'd much rather make a trade run from Providence or NPC null to empire, than run between HS hubs, or sit in station trading.
At least I can say you are not the only one =p This describes me pretty much exactly. I do call myself a carebear though, though I do it half jokingly because I know I am not "half as bad" as some people out there :D
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Ria Nieyli
36876
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Posted - 2015.12.20 17:06:11 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:I've been calling myself a carebear for a while, but now am wondering if the title is apt.
Since I explore or trade for isk, but don't pvp for isk am I a carebear? I usually run away from pvp encounters, mainly because my ships have been pve fitted when SURPRISE PVP. I'll actively pvp sometimes, but I suck so usually I'm the one on the km.
I've no problem flying in any space, WH, Null, LS, HS are all fine for me. No cold sweat, or even tripidation when I enter a wh or activate a warp gate into LS/Null. I'll even fly in hostile null and place remote buy/sell orders in outposts I could never dock in. VFK? No problem. I'll use contracts to hopefully attract a local hauler to move my goods to a more profitable location, or from a cheaper place to null.
So yea, I carebear in that I am very good at avoiding pvp usually. But I'm not against it, I'm not afraid of it. I just suck at it. But I don't avoid risk, rather I seek it out. I'd much rather make a trade run from Providence or NPC null to empire, than run between HS hubs, or sit in station trading.
The reality of the game is that in 99% of the cases you're better off avoiding the engagement, than taking it. Losing ships to being outshipped, blobs, jams, logi, links or 1vX fights doesn't mean that you're willing to take risks. It means you're stupid. Of course you'll get the elite pro pvpers calling you names, etc., etc., but who cares. Remember, PvP starts when you undock, if you avoid getting killed you're beating the PvPers. Their complaints are just saltiness that you deny them free kills. |
Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
28130
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Posted - 2015.12.20 17:40:10 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:Iria Ahrens wrote:I've been calling myself a carebear for a while, but now am wondering if the title is apt.
Since I explore or trade for isk, but don't pvp for isk am I a carebear? I usually run away from pvp encounters, mainly because my ships have been pve fitted when SURPRISE PVP. I'll actively pvp sometimes, but I suck so usually I'm the one on the km.
I've no problem flying in any space, WH, Null, LS, HS are all fine for me. No cold sweat, or even tripidation when I enter a wh or activate a warp gate into LS/Null. I'll even fly in hostile null and place remote buy/sell orders in outposts I could never dock in. VFK? No problem. I'll use contracts to hopefully attract a local hauler to move my goods to a more profitable location, or from a cheaper place to null.
So yea, I carebear in that I am very good at avoiding pvp usually. But I'm not against it, I'm not afraid of it. I just suck at it. But I don't avoid risk, rather I seek it out. I'd much rather make a trade run from Providence or NPC null to empire, than run between HS hubs, or sit in station trading. The reality of the game is that in 99% of the cases you're better off avoiding the engagement, than taking it. Losing ships to being outshipped, blobs, jams, logi, links or 1vX fights doesn't mean that you're willing to take risks. It means you're stupid. Of course you'll get the elite pro pvpers calling you names, etc., etc., but who cares. Remember, PvP starts when you undock, if you avoid getting killed you're beating the PvPers. Their complaints are just saltiness that you deny them free kills. On the other side does not caring about your opponents "powerlevel" have benefits, including experience, learning from mistakes, possinly finding frIends and even wins happen.
And the respect of those who matter, because they know that daring is worth more than winning alone!
Not engaging someone, because he seems to/might be stronger, is spineless and shows a lack of creativity. There's always a way to beat someone, you just have to analyse and think about how to achieve it.
I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming...
THE GAME ! (:
You lost... :)
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Ria Nieyli
36882
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Posted - 2015.12.20 17:59:21 -
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Taking fights you can't win isn't good decision making. At all. Or are you saying that getting killed by 5 linked svipuls, a Falcon and a VNI is ~valuable experience~ |
Khan Wrenth
Ore Oppression Prevention and Salvation
358
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Posted - 2015.12.20 18:18:23 -
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I am a carebear scared and in doubt
So,I go to the forums where I pout
When I get all blown up Hear me shout!
ignore me or call me out I think I'm a clever poster, yes it's true
But rage on the forums is all I can do In fact, this is an example of all I do!
I'll even try to post with an alt But I'll never admit, I'm the one at fault
Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
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Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
28132
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Posted - 2015.12.20 18:18:46 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:Taking fights you can't win isn't good decision making. At all. Or are you saying that getting killed by 5 linked svipuls, a Falcon and a VNI is ~valuable experience~ It's always a poor choice to come up with a specific and silly example to counter something that was broadly spoken.
As it seems to be beyond your comprehension, I'll spill it out for you.
Works for every example.
You know they're out there. As you do, you can fit for the situation. There's hundreds of choices here already.
You could specifically set the linked ship as your goal, for example and fit accordingly. You can easily fit a rookie ship with a shipscanner and attempt to get a scan before they blow you up. You can follow them around and wait until they are being engaged by others ... and then strike.
It's always depending on the situation ... ... and the vast majority of situations don't force you to stay docked.
Ofc, when you sit in a slaved pod in a station without insta ... ... well, tough luck, your own fault. Doesn't change things.
Still... most situations aren't like your silly example, or worse. Nope.
In most situations it's just the player being incapable or unwilling to stand up and know he'll lose ... ... and ignorant about how not being a spineless coward would gain him respect, which is priceless.
tl;dr: Not undocking and not even trying anything is spineless and shows a lack of creativity.
Get your DunningKruger checked. :)
I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming...
THE GAME ! (:
You lost... :)
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Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2015.12.20 18:28:04 -
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ITT I'm a spineless coward because I recognise that there are fights that one shouldn't take. Broadly speaking, of course. |
Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.20 18:40:55 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:ITT I'm a spineless coward because I recognise that there are fights that one shouldn't take. Broadly speaking, of course. *pats your head* No, you're a spineless coward for not undocking and trying anything at all ... ... but hey, keeping an inflated ego comfortable is hard work ... right?
Staying docked is the most spineless thing you can do in absolutely most situations.
So, tldr is that you forgot "butthurt" in your list and good luck in staying docked whenever chances might seem against you.
I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming...
THE GAME ! (:
You lost... :)
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Ria Nieyli
36884
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Posted - 2015.12.20 18:43:34 -
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Delicious tears, etc. |
W33b3l
The Scope Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2015.12.20 19:48:58 -
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I can see both sides of the argument. If you are trolling around npc null or something and never attack anything you don't have a. 100% chance of killing then ya that's kind of lame. Although I'm going to leave that buffer tanked Typhoon I see sitting on that gate alone while in my pilgrim. Ide rather try to dual point the venture I saw for a quick buck and the challenge of catching him. In the end it's just about having fun. If I feel like messing with the phoone later I'll fit a ship for what I think he's running. Assuming I feel like covering the loss of I loose. In the end, who really cares about it. |
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Ria Nieyli
36885
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Posted - 2015.12.20 19:55:13 -
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W33b3l wrote:I can see both sides of the argument. If you are trolling around npc null or something and never attack anything you don't have a. 100% chance of killing then ya that's kind of lame. Although I'm going to leave that buffer tanked Typhoon I see sitting on that gate alone while in my pilgrim. Ide rather try to dual point the venture I saw for a quick buck and the challenge of catching him. In the end it's just about having fun. If I feel like messing with the phoone later I'll fit a ship for what I think he's running. Assuming I feel like covering the loss of I loose. In the end, who really cares about it.
What I meant was not "never attacking something you don't have a 100% chance of killing", it was rather avoid attacking things you have 0% chance of killing. |
W33b3l
The Scope Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2015.12.20 20:03:10 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:W33b3l wrote:I can see both sides of the argument. If you are trolling around npc null or something and never attack anything you don't have a. 100% chance of killing then ya that's kind of lame. Although I'm going to leave that buffer tanked Typhoon I see sitting on that gate alone while in my pilgrim. Ide rather try to dual point the venture I saw for a quick buck and the challenge of catching him. In the end it's just about having fun. If I feel like messing with the phoone later I'll fit a ship for what I think he's running. Assuming I feel like covering the loss of I loose. In the end, who really cares about it. What I meant was not "never attacking something you don't have a 100% chance of killing", it was rather avoid attacking things you have 0% chance of killing.
Ya, I never attack something I know I have a zero% chance of making go boom either. Although there is always a small chance, they could be derp fit after all. But I tend to assume that's not the case. Most the people that give ya crap are just saying that even if it's 50/50 or a little less it's still possible and those are the real fun wins. I tend to pirate more then spar personally but have done both. What ever floats your boat, or in this case ship. |
Lulu Lunette
Akheteru Integrated Astrometrics Hedonistic Imperative
144
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Posted - 2015.12.20 20:07:15 -
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Such labels.
At the end of the day, we are all Capsuleers.
@lunettelulu7
Call me for your combat booster needs.
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Ria Nieyli
36885
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Posted - 2015.12.20 20:18:17 -
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W33b3l wrote:Ya, I never attack something I know I have a zero% chance of making go boom either. Although there is always a small chance, they could be derp fit after all. But I tend to assume that's not the case. Most the people that give ya crap are just saying that even if it's 50/50 or a little less it's still possible and those are the real fun wins. I tend to pirate more then spar personally but have done both. What ever floats your boat, or in this case ship.
I had a fight in which I destroyed my opponent's ship, only to lose my own because he managed to launch one last missile volley before he died. I think that's about as even as it gets. Although, apparently I have commited the grave sin of only PvPing when I feel like it in a sandbox. |
Max Muni
Muni Corp
5
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Posted - 2015.12.20 21:06:32 -
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A Carebear is anyone
1) Who uses the exploit to win.
It doesn't matter if it's PVP or PVE, if you run in gangs to win solo kills, or bring over powered faction ships to do missions, you're a Carebear if you don't face the challenge alone or with a competitive force that is balanced.
Most all of EVE is Carebear game play, so don't over analyze it.
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W33b3l
The Scope Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2015.12.20 21:10:18 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:W33b3l wrote:Ya, I never attack something I know I have a zero% chance of making go boom either. Although there is always a small chance, they could be derp fit after all. But I tend to assume that's not the case. Most the people that give ya crap are just saying that even if it's 50/50 or a little less it's still possible and those are the real fun wins. I tend to pirate more then spar personally but have done both. What ever floats your boat, or in this case ship. I had a fight in which I destroyed my opponent's ship, only to lose my own because he managed to launch one last missile volley before he died. I think that's about as even as it gets. Although, apparently I have commited the grave sin of only PvPing when I feel like it in a sandbox.
Pfft. I've rolled around for an hour or two just watching people and getting a feel for the traffic and what people are doing just to never engage anyone. Find out who flies together, alts ect. It's fun to just stalk people some time. The people I used to play with don't play anymore and spend most of my time with my indy Corp now since I'm trying to decide what to do. Want to have isk for when I get bored and want to do things without the cops around again. Doesn't always have to be pew pew. Don't tell that to trade hub dualers though lol. My last alliance did that, I don't get those guys. Ide rather get together with people and test things on SISI then do that. |
W33b3l
The Scope Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2015.12.20 21:18:43 -
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Max Muni wrote:A Carebear is anyone
1) Who uses the exploit to win.
It doesn't matter if it's PVP or PVE, if you run in gangs to win solo kills, or bring over powered faction ships to do missions, you're a Carebear if you don't face the challenge alone or with a competitive force that is balanced.
Most all of EVE is Carebear game play, so don't over analyze it.
People do missions for money. An over powered ship makes money faster. I run a pirate faction ship that can tank full room aggro in any mission. Don't even have to worry about triggers. Makes the Maurader I bring along sometimes look like a glass cannon. There's nothing wrong with that.
Your logic for missions is like saying if you mine with a exhumer instead of a frig to make more isk, that you are being a carebear and should mine like a real man lol. |
Max Muni
Muni Corp
5
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Posted - 2015.12.20 22:50:38 -
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W33b3l wrote:Max Muni wrote:A Carebear is anyone
1) Who uses the exploit to win.
It doesn't matter if it's PVP or PVE, if you run in gangs to win solo kills, or bring over powered faction ships to do missions, you're a Carebear if you don't face the challenge alone or with a competitive force that is balanced.
Most all of EVE is Carebear game play, so don't over analyze it.
People do missions for money. An over powered ship makes money faster. I run a pirate faction ship that can tank full room aggro in any mission. Don't even have to worry about triggers. Makes the Maurader I bring along sometimes look like a glass cannon. There's nothing wrong with that. Your logic for missions is like saying if you mine with a exhumer instead of a frig to make more isk, that you are being a carebear and should mine like a real man lol.
Who's saying being a Carebear is a bad thing? It's just how EVE is played.
What you're effectively saying is what everyone does in game and that's take advantage of game rules that allow an over powered relationship to the environment or challenge, so that the player feels amazing. Why do you think CCP pits ONE lone ship against dozens or more NPC's in a room.
1) Why wouldn't a PVP player run in a gang? 2) Why wouldn't a PVE player fly a better ship?
Everyone is a Carebear. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
42108
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Posted - 2015.12.20 23:04:16 -
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Max Muni wrote:A Carebear is anyone
1) Who uses the exploit to win. Exploits can't be used to win.
CCP generally ban you if you use an exploit.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
13187
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Posted - 2015.12.20 23:07:34 -
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Max Muni wrote:
Everyone is a Carebear.
No I'll referr you to post #2 and #5. You may well have your own understanding of the term but what those posts outline has been generally accepted as the appropriate requisites for it.
Better the Devil you know.
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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
661
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Posted - 2015.12.20 23:38:10 -
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what if i don't care much? am i idontcarebear carelessbear
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W33b3l
The Scope Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2015.12.21 01:28:50 -
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Max Muni wrote:W33b3l wrote:Max Muni wrote:A Carebear is anyone
1) Who uses the exploit to win.
It doesn't matter if it's PVP or PVE, if you run in gangs to win solo kills, or bring over powered faction ships to do missions, you're a Carebear if you don't face the challenge alone or with a competitive force that is balanced.
Most all of EVE is Carebear game play, so don't over analyze it.
People do missions for money. An over powered ship makes money faster. I run a pirate faction ship that can tank full room aggro in any mission. Don't even have to worry about triggers. Makes the Maurader I bring along sometimes look like a glass cannon. There's nothing wrong with that. Your logic for missions is like saying if you mine with a exhumer instead of a frig to make more isk, that you are being a carebear and should mine like a real man lol. Who's saying being a Carebear is a bad thing? It's just how EVE is played. What you're effectively saying is what everyone does in game and that's take advantage of game rules that allow an over powered relationship to the environment or challenge, so that the player feels amazing. Why do you think CCP pits ONE lone ship against dozens or more NPC's in a room. 1) Why wouldn't a PVP player run in a gang? 2) Why wouldn't a PVE player fly a better ship? Everyone is a Carebear.
For the record, I wasn't disagreeing really. Just thought it was a funny way of looking at it. Overkill is the way of EVE. |
Top Guac
Mexican Avacado Syndicate
61
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Posted - 2015.12.21 01:58:09 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:what if i don't care much? am i idontcarebear carelessbear Carelessbear
But that's true of most carebears anyway. It's why they end up whining so much. |
Otso Bakarti
Filial Pariahs
558
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Posted - 2015.12.21 01:58:56 -
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What a big surprise! Look how fast THIS thread grew! RISK AVERSE? You guys just bubble over when you get to use THAT term; RISK AVERSE. Now it's getting parsed thinly like slicing roast beef; RISK MITIGATION!! Oh my stars! I'm so glad I lived long enough to see this level of bovine scatology spewed with such self-righteous confidence. Here, let me get my pencil. I need to edit my dictionary AGAIN.
Risk averse. Hilarious. Ukeelmeguyz. Melly Kleestmas to yah and may your cow always have diarrhea.
There just isn't anything that can be said!
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6980
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Posted - 2015.12.21 12:23:37 -
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The term "Carebear" has been kinda changed from it's original meaning into a derogatory term for anyone who in any way mitigates risk. Amusingly this label is more often than not given out by players who play in highsec and refuse to fly ships of any real value, who don't consider themselves carebears because they shoot some noobs. Go figure.
In reality though, labels don't really matter. Play the way you enjoy the game and anyone that doesn't like that can go **** themselves.
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