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Jin Atavuli
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2015.12.20 18:16:38 -
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When somone does a "300b bond with 3% back per month till payed off in 4 months", what are they doing. I couldn't imagine that doing station trading or even importing (without a major war like fountain) with that much isk could return that much profit unless your station trading all that isk on 20 accounts. Could someone tell me how you scale that much isk, is there like certain projects or an idea? I don't know much about economics, but whats it all used for? |
Rykker Bow
The Scope
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Posted - 2015.12.20 18:48:20 -
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Some quick ideas of where to drop that kind of isk into an investment:
- speculation purchasing - alliance/corp level infrastructure - station trading (yes, 300b+ can be used in that) - market manipulations - high end manufacturing infrastructure - T2 BPO trading
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Jin Atavuli
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2015.12.20 19:04:09 -
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Thanks. I am new into the marketing world. |
Paul Pohl
blue media poetry
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Posted - 2015.12.21 01:24:21 -
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The simple answer is they are making more than 3% on whatever is invested
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Knitram Relik
Atomic Amish
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Posted - 2015.12.21 01:55:21 -
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Paul Pohl wrote:The simple answer is they are making more than 3% on whatever is invested
This. I assure you I could find a use for 300 bil if I had it. And I'd make more than 3% a month at it too. Too bad I don't have the collateral or credit to even try for that big if a bond issue. |
Paul Pohl
blue media poetry
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Posted - 2015.12.21 02:22:02 -
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Knitram Relik wrote:Paul Pohl wrote:The simple answer is they are making more than 3% on whatever is invested
This. I assure you I could find a use for 300 bil if I had it. And I'd make more than 3% a month at it too. Too bad I don't have the collateral or credit to even try for that big if a bond issue.
Anyone could.... well ok... perhaps not those using API spyware... and the OP....
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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
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Posted - 2015.12.21 03:05:40 -
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One thing I'd do with 0.3T ISK is do a gamewide buyout of all reasonably priced PI materials, with a view to reselling them over time at a new, higher price.
Another would be a gamewide buyup of (ship hull X) and (ship hull Y) and (ship hull Z). Keeping the actual ships redacted as I may invest heavily into them soon.
As well as that there's just straight up alliance logistics. Sometimes an alliance needs three titan pilots and hulls fast, has lots of collateral but doesn't want to firesell it.
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
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Posted - 2015.12.21 03:31:47 -
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Jin Atavuli wrote:When somone does a "300b bond with 3% back per month till payed off in 4 months", what are they doing. I couldn't imagine that doing station trading or even importing (without a major war like fountain) with that much isk could return that much profit unless your station trading all that isk on 20 accounts. Could someone tell me how you scale that much isk, is there like certain projects or an idea? I don't know much about economics, but whats it all used for?
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Darkstar01
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.12.21 07:24:31 -
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Jin Atavuli wrote:When somone does a "300b bond with 3% back per month till payed off in 4 months", what are they doing. I couldn't imagine that doing station trading or even importing (without a major war like fountain) with that much isk could return that much profit unless your station trading all that isk on 20 accounts. Could someone tell me how you scale that much isk, is there like certain projects or an idea? I don't know much about economics, but whats it all used for?
Here are a few scenarios:
1. Someone has 300 Bil worth assets that would take over a month to liquidate, and you could only sell it slowly. But there is an opportunity to take advantage now, so they use the asset as collateral to get the loan. While the asset is being held as collateral, it gets liquidated slowly with proceeds used to pay back the investors.
2. Titan / supercarrier manufacturing - A titan cost around 60 bil worth of raw materials. Plus you have other miscellaneous fees such as logistics, null sec system rental, etc.
Some of those people you see issuing 200 - 300 billion bonds on MD are probably in renter corps or alliances in the business of supercap production.
Let's say, a titan costs 60 bil to manufacture, and the retail price is 100 bil. That's 40 bil profit per ship. However it takes 1 month to manufacture the ship, give or take another 2 - 3 weeks for logistics, and another 2 weeks for selling the ship. Now you are looking at a 2 + month operation.
A 300 Billion isk bond with a 3 month duration could be used to fund the raw materials, logistics, and 0.0 system rental for Titan production. The bondholders get 3% per month, and after the 3 months is up and the titans are sold, they get repaid their principle. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2015.12.21 12:38:41 -
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Jerry T Pepridge wrote:Jin Atavuli wrote:When somone does a "300b bond with 3% back per month till payed off in 4 months", what are they doing. I couldn't imagine that doing station trading or even importing (without a major war like fountain) with that much isk could return that much profit unless your station trading all that isk on 20 accounts. Could someone tell me how you scale that much isk, is there like certain projects or an idea? I don't know much about economics, but whats it all used for? Roleplay
I want pledge 20bn
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
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Dextrome Thorphan
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2015.12.21 15:12:29 -
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Jin Atavuli wrote:. I couldn't imagine that doing station trading or even importing (without a major war like fountain) with that much isk could return that much profit unless your station trading all that isk on 20 accounts. Huh? Why would you need more than 1 account for station trading?
Jin Atavuli wrote:Thanks. I am new into the marketing world. You don't need any marketing knowledge to do some trading. (Unless by marketing you ment economics instead of marketing?) |
Jin Atavuli
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2015.12.21 20:14:01 -
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Jin Atavuli wrote:Thanks. I am new into the marketing world. You don't need any marketing knowledge to do some trading. (Unless by marketing you ment economics instead of marketing?)[/quote]
I did. Thanks. I am now having many more ideas on what I want to do when I get better at station trading. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2016.01.03 03:02:30 -
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Dextrome Thorphan wrote:Jin Atavuli wrote:. I couldn't imagine that doing station trading or even importing (without a major war like fountain) with that much isk could return that much profit unless your station trading all that isk on 20 accounts. Huh? Why would you need more than 1 account for station trading? More orders, or to try to make it look less like one person is controlling the market on one item.
Contracts are even more restrictive... though there is a simple way around that which seems borderline exploit in my paranoid mind. |
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