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Raindrop
LittleHauling Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.19 01:31:00 -
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The ecological way of charging it. "Quick Joe start peddling! I see a battleship on the horizon!" Raindrop
It only takes a raindrop to cool the market.
100% Carebear and loving it. Trader. Hauler.
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Taaketa Frist
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Posted - 2007.01.19 01:43:00 -
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The problem that lies with Railguns is the insurmountable power required and then cooling at the moment.
The damn thing has to be charged up like a battery and to target its object it needs to know windspeeds and have total accuracy tracking. If the target they are aiming moves slightly of course than predicted apon firing then they are pretty screwed.
Also lasers for popping Nukes out of the atmo?
BBBBBBAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDD idea.
Anyone who wants to destroy the Earth will have it good then, as soon a nukes launch have the warheads armed. When the laser hits the thing the heat causes the warhead to blow up in our wonderful protective layer of heat, bye bye ozone and protection from sun. --------------
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Grimpak
Gallente Twisted Attitude Apocalyptica.
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Posted - 2007.01.19 03:58:00 -
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Originally by: Taaketa Frist The damn thing has to be charged up like a battery and to target its object it needs to know windspeeds and have total accuracy tracking. If the target they are aiming moves slightly of course than predicted apon firing then they are pretty screwed.
I can see the next step is to create highly advanced tracking systems.
..kinda like a tech2 tracking computer.
modern day battleships will want to fit a full rack of them, or will they be stack nerfed?
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Originally by: Tiuwaz for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons
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DarkMatter
Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.01.19 04:00:00 -
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Edited by: DarkMatter on 19/01/2007 03:59:15 Edited by: DarkMatter on 19/01/2007 03:57:50
Quote: Anyone who wants to destroy the Earth will have it good then, as soon a nukes launch have the warheads armed. When the laser hits the thing the heat causes the warhead to blow up in our wonderful protective layer of heat, bye bye ozone and protection from sun.
Uhm, we already can do that... And heat does not cause the chain reaction, neither does blowing up everything on the outside of the warhead(s)
The US has a chemical laser system we mount inside a Boeing 747, it can target, track & fire on 7 ICBM's at once. It targets the fuel portion of the missile body.
And actually, testing is just starting up on a much smaller version that will hopefully be on all our commercial airliners by 2020, for defending against terrorists firing missiles at our planes...
Plus there are undoubtedly a whole slew of black ops projects we know nothing about, and would probably **** our pants if we saw them...
I am one American that hopes we continue to advance our weapon tech, no matter what the cost. The red bullseye we have on us is only going to get bigger, and the nuclear threat will continue to spread to rouge nations who can't wait to lob one our way...
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Taaketa Frist
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Posted - 2007.01.19 11:35:00 -
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Edited by: Taaketa Frist on 19/01/2007 11:32:31 When you activate the warhead on a nuke anything can set it off. If the laser does not evaporate the warhead in a split second the warhead will do it for you.
Especially if its a Nuke that uses a C4 charge to blast the plutium into the Uranium. Or vica versa I can never remember which way round. --------------
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DarkMatter
Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.01.19 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Taaketa Frist Edited by: Taaketa Frist on 19/01/2007 11:32:31 When you activate the warhead on a nuke anything can set it off. If the laser does not evaporate the warhead in a split second the warhead will do it for you.
Especially if its a Nuke that uses a C4 charge to blast the plutium into the Uranium. Or vica versa I can never remember which way round.
Plutonium has to be imploded, and setting a bomb off next to the core will destroy the warhead before that happens...
Uranium bombs normally use the internal collision projectile thingy, those may be more unstable...
Either way, if the warhead does go off, better at 30,000-50,000 feet than at optimal altitude of the warhead. (100's of feet?)
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Tarri
FACTA NON VERBA Kurai Komichi
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Posted - 2007.01.19 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 19/01/2007 03:59:15 Edited by: DarkMatter on 19/01/2007 03:57:50
Quote: Anyone who wants to destroy the Earth will have it good then, as soon a nukes launch have the warheads armed. When the laser hits the thing the heat causes the warhead to blow up in our wonderful protective layer of heat, bye bye ozone and protection from sun.
Uhm, we already can do that... And heat does not cause the chain reaction, neither does blowing up everything on the outside of the warhead(s)
The US has a chemical laser system we mount inside a Boeing 747, it can target, track & fire on 7 ICBM's at once. It targets the fuel portion of the missile body.
And actually, testing is just starting up on a much smaller version that will hopefully be on all our commercial airliners by 2020, for defending against terrorists firing missiles at our planes...
Plus there are undoubtedly a whole slew of black ops projects we know nothing about, and would probably **** our pants if we saw them...
I am one American that hopes we continue to advance our weapon tech, no matter what the cost. The red bullseye we have on us is only going to get bigger, and the nuclear threat will continue to spread to rouge nations who can't wait to lob one our way...
Hurray for pacifying the world with weapons.... oh wait
I agree 100% with Krulla. New ways of killing people is not a thing to be proud off.
PS: And Mitten, stop getting your view of the world by watching TV ----
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DarkMatter
Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.01.19 12:57:00 -
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Edited by: DarkMatter on 19/01/2007 12:54:06
Originally by: Tarri
Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 19/01/2007 03:59:15 Edited by: DarkMatter on 19/01/2007 03:57:50
Quote: Anyone who wants to destroy the Earth will have it good then, as soon a nukes launch have the warheads armed. When the laser hits the thing the heat causes the warhead to blow up in our wonderful protective layer of heat, bye bye ozone and protection from sun.
Uhm, we already can do that... And heat does not cause the chain reaction, neither does blowing up everything on the outside of the warhead(s)
The US has a chemical laser system we mount inside a Boeing 747, it can target, track & fire on 7 ICBM's at once. It targets the fuel portion of the missile body.
And actually, testing is just starting up on a much smaller version that will hopefully be on all our commercial airliners by 2020, for defending against terrorists firing missiles at our planes...
Plus there are undoubtedly a whole slew of black ops projects we know nothing about, and would probably **** our pants if we saw them...
I am one American that hopes we continue to advance our weapon tech, no matter what the cost. The red bullseye we have on us is only going to get bigger, and the nuclear threat will continue to spread to rouge nations who can't wait to lob one our way...
Hurray for pacifying the world with weapons.... oh wait
I agree 100% with Krulla. New ways of killing people is not a thing to be proud off.
PS: And Mitten, stop getting your view of the world by watching TV
I'm sorry, but the lasers are for defending against an "old" method of killing ppl, massive amounts of ppl.
As far as new weaponry, well, you have to stay ahead of your enemies, humans have been doing this for a very long time and will continue to do so until our race no longer exists... Nothing you can do about that...
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Tarri
FACTA NON VERBA Kurai Komichi
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Posted - 2007.01.19 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 19/01/2007 12:54:06
Originally by: Tarri
Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 19/01/2007 03:59:15 Edited by: DarkMatter on 19/01/2007 03:57:50
Quote: Anyone who wants to destroy the Earth will have it good then, as soon a nukes launch have the warheads armed. When the laser hits the thing the heat causes the warhead to blow up in our wonderful protective layer of heat, bye bye ozone and protection from sun.
Uhm, we already can do that... And heat does not cause the chain reaction, neither does blowing up everything on the outside of the warhead(s)
The US has a chemical laser system we mount inside a Boeing 747, it can target, track & fire on 7 ICBM's at once. It targets the fuel portion of the missile body.
And actually, testing is just starting up on a much smaller version that will hopefully be on all our commercial airliners by 2020, for defending against terrorists firing missiles at our planes...
Plus there are undoubtedly a whole slew of black ops projects we know nothing about, and would probably **** our pants if we saw them...
I am one American that hopes we continue to advance our weapon tech, no matter what the cost. The red bullseye we have on us is only going to get bigger, and the nuclear threat will continue to spread to rouge nations who can't wait to lob one our way...
Hurray for pacifying the world with weapons.... oh wait
I agree 100% with Krulla. New ways of killing people is not a thing to be proud off.
PS: And Mitten, stop getting your view of the world by watching TV
I'm sorry, but the lasers are for defending against an "old" method of killing ppl, massive amounts of ppl.
As far as new weaponry, well, you have to stay ahead of your enemies, humans have been doing this for a very long time and will continue to do so until our race no longer exists... Nothing you can do about that...
It¦s only like that because of people like you.... ----
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DarkMatter
Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.01.19 13:03:00 -
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Quote: It¦s only like that because of people like you....
And wolf-packs have alpha-males.
Lions are ruled by the strongest male.
Silver-backs rule the "community"
It's nature, all living things fight. Even if we discover life elsewhere, I'm sure they will fight too...
You either prepare for it, or die... Just ask the Neanderthals, oh wait, can't, they are extinct...
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Tarri
FACTA NON VERBA Kurai Komichi
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Posted - 2007.01.19 13:12:00 -
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Edited by: Tarri on 19/01/2007 13:13:39
Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote: It¦s only like that because of people like you....
And wolf-packs have alpha-males.
Lions are ruled by the strongest male.
Silver-backs rule the "community"
It's nature, all living things fight. Even if we discover life elsewhere, I'm sure they will fight too...
You either prepare for it, or die... Just ask the Neanderthals, oh wait, can't, they are extinct...
Keep looking for exuses to only care for yourself and not about the other and the coming generations....
EDIT: We are neither wolfs nor lions. We are damn humans with a brain, a mind and a conscience so comparing us to animals is wrong. We have the ability to not follow the law of the strongest so why shouldn¦t we get a grip and start improving stuff? ----
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DarkMatter
Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.01.19 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tarri Edited by: Tarri on 19/01/2007 13:13:39
Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote: It¦s only like that because of people like you....
And wolf-packs have alpha-males.
Lions are ruled by the strongest male.
Silver-backs rule the "community"
It's nature, all living things fight. Even if we discover life elsewhere, I'm sure they will fight too...
You either prepare for it, or die... Just ask the Neanderthals, oh wait, can't, they are extinct...
Keep looking for exuses to only care for yourself and not about the other and the coming generations....
EDIT: We are neither wolfs nor lions. We are damn humans with a brain, a mind and a conscience so comparing us to animals is wrong. We have the ability to not follow the law of the strongest so why shouldn¦t we get a grip and start improving stuff?
I care about others, but I also have to defend myself against others too... We all do...
Just remember, what ever life-style you live (politics, religion, etc), there is someone out there who disagrees with it, and wouldn't hesitate to remove you from existence if they had the chance...
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Tarri
FACTA NON VERBA Kurai Komichi
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Posted - 2007.01.19 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatter
Originally by: Tarri Edited by: Tarri on 19/01/2007 13:13:39
Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote: It¦s only like that because of people like you....
And wolf-packs have alpha-males.
Lions are ruled by the strongest male.
Silver-backs rule the "community"
It's nature, all living things fight. Even if we discover life elsewhere, I'm sure they will fight too...
You either prepare for it, or die... Just ask the Neanderthals, oh wait, can't, they are extinct...
Keep looking for exuses to only care for yourself and not about the other and the coming generations....
EDIT: We are neither wolfs nor lions. We are damn humans with a brain, a mind and a conscience so comparing us to animals is wrong. We have the ability to not follow the law of the strongest so why shouldn¦t we get a grip and start improving stuff?
I care about others, but I also have to defend myself against others too... We all do...
Just remember, what ever life-style you live (politics, religion, etc), there is someone out there who disagrees with it, and wouldn't hesitate to remove you from existence if they had the chance...
My friend, i don¦t believe that you can not solve all issue through talking. I would never harm anyone because of their lifestlye or beliefs.
Check the categorical imperative of Kant ("Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law."), then you will see what i want to say.
And thinking that there is someone out there bend on killing you all the time is little paranoid, don¦t you agree?
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DarkMatter
Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.01.19 13:41:00 -
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Edited by: DarkMatter on 19/01/2007 13:38:05
Quote: And thinking that there is someone out there bend on killing you all the time is little paranoid, don¦t you agree?
I think ignoring the threat is worse...
Most ppl don't let it affect their daily lives, but I venture to guess most of us know this to be true, and are realistic enough to be aware of it, and not oblivious to it...
If you don't fight for what you believe in, sooner or later what you believe in will be gone, and someone elseÆs beliefs will be in their place...
All governments are responsible for their civilian populace, that's never going to change...
Even if the entire world one day is one nice big happy family, we still have to protect ourselves from others, if there are any out there... We can't assume there is no threat.
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Tarri
FACTA NON VERBA Kurai Komichi
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Posted - 2007.01.19 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 19/01/2007 13:38:05
Quote: And thinking that there is someone out there bend on killing you all the time is little paranoid, don¦t you agree?
I think ignoring the threat is worse...
Most ppl don't let it affect their daily lives, but I venture to guess most of us know this to be true, and are realistic enough to be aware of it, and not oblivious to it...
If you don't fight for what you believe in, sooner or later what you believe in will be gone, and someone elseÆs beliefs will be in their place...
All governments are responsible for their civilian populace, that's never going to change...
Even if the entire world one day is one nice big happy family, we still have to protect ourselves from others, if there are any out there... We can't assume there is no threat.
I won¦t agree with you but i think going on arguing won¦t do any good.
I see what you want to tell me and i agree with that if there is someone "evil" who wants to kill you for no reason then you have to fight back (and to be prepared if you know there is someone like that).
But i hope you also see that there is a world possible without such things and that different beliefs and cultures can coexist.
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DarkMatter
Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.01.19 14:00:00 -
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Quote: But i hope you also see that there is a world possible without such things and that different beliefs and cultures can coexist.
Differences in religion, culture & politics will not make this possible for a very very long time... (At least 1000-10000 years IMO)
In the meantime, we will advance weapons as much as possible to defend what we believe in, all countries will try, not just the US...
Some day the US will not be the big kid on the block, but the nation who is will not be a pacificst entity, they will get there for obvious & logical reasons... Just like every other civilization in human history...
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.19 15:12:00 -
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Wow, this discussion is getting deep...............
Now I'm no fan of violence, wars, or extra-destructive weaponry. But the fact of the matter is, the military tech possesed by the US atm, and ever becoming more widely available, is already quite capable of leveling cities and causing mass destruction. No "new" weaponry is going to make the situation much worse.
What (potentially) railguns represent is a slightly more accurate and more efficient (maybe) way of doing what we can already do. No harm in that.
Of course if they published the fact they were working on a new superweapon capable of destroying planets like the deathstar did in Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope, then I'd be upset......... -----------------------------------------------
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DarkMatter
Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.01.19 15:19:00 -
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Edited by: DarkMatter on 19/01/2007 15:16:03
Originally by: Patch86 Wow, this discussion is getting deep...............
Now I'm no fan of violence, wars, or extra-destructive weaponry. But the fact of the matter is, the military tech possesed by the US atm, and ever becoming more widely available, is already quite capable of leveling cities and causing mass destruction. No "new" weaponry is going to make the situation much worse.
What (potentially) railguns represent is a slightly more accurate and more efficient (maybe) way of doing what we can already do. No harm in that.
Of course if they published the fact they were working on a new superweapon capable of destroying planets like the deathstar did in Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope, then I'd be upset.........
I think the goal really is always to minimize collateral damage, and just look at the wars of today compared to the past...
If the US was to face of against someone like Russia in a non-nuclear war, the lack of collateral damage would be less than even the war in Iraq. Most of the Iraqi civilians killed have been from fellow Muslims, not US collateral damage...
US & Russia would be sniping each other, etc...
Only problem is, I really don't see hoe the US and Russia or China cannot have a war without introducing nukes, and I think we all know that...
Nothing wrong with making weapons more precise...
At least we don't have a chemical weapons arms race...
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Alassra Eventide
Veldspar Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.19 19:52:00 -
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Navy already has railguns actually noobs, I shud kno cuz I am teh Admiral of teh entyr SEaz0rz!!!oneoneelven!
That was for you, Patch.
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Tisanta
Amarr Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom
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Posted - 2007.01.20 01:19:00 -
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sod sticking that thing on a boat... orbital cannon ftw.. ---
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Worms Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.21 05:50:00 -
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erm shooting lasers at a nuke is the best thing to do, the ABL shoots the nuke in its boost stage causing it to fall back down on the launching country.
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Siren Sylvanis
Gallente No Quarter. C0VEN
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Posted - 2007.01.21 06:39:00 -
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Here's a question that's been on my mind. How come a 21st century battleship is capable of fitting a 125mm railgun which hits at 370km, while a futuristic, space-capable battleship with a railgun neurally interfaced into a pilot's brain (better than any computerized tracking computer) can only do 220 max if it's willing to sacrifice everything else a battleship should have: armor plates, shield systems, repair systems, propulsion, jamming, Electronic warfare and crew bathroom facilities?
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Kiyano
Caldari Star Fraction Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.21 08:07:00 -
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Originally by: Siren Sylvanis Here's a question that's been on my mind. How come a 21st century battleship is capable of fitting a 125mm railgun which hits at 370km, while a futuristic, space-capable battleship with a railgun neurally interfaced into a pilot's brain (better than any computerized tracking computer) can only do 220 max if it's willing to sacrifice everything else a battleship should have: armor plates, shield systems, repair systems, propulsion, jamming, Electronic warfare and crew bathroom facilities?
My best guess is in space there'd be an extra axis for it to move on, adding a whole load of problems. You see this railgun they've invented, I bet it's best use would be against still targets a long way away, try using it against another Naval vessel or a moving land object and there will be problems... It might be possible though i dunno.
Now ask the scientists to hit a plane with that same railgun, they'll probably just laugh, too many variables. In space the variables are there but in greater numbers as the speed is much higher.
Nope i have no idea what i'm talking about, its all guess work \o/
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Lucian Alucard
Caldari Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.21 08:19:00 -
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With that said it also must be noted that the navy has in the mean time looked into Rocket assisted Artillery shells for use in the Iowa-Class battleships as well as into a new line of battlecrusiers something akin to the size of say the Scharnhorst
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Worms Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.21 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Siren Sylvanis Here's a question that's been on my mind. How come a 21st century battleship is capable of fitting a 125mm railgun which hits at 370km, while a futuristic, space-capable battleship with a railgun neurally interfaced into a pilot's brain (better than any computerized tracking computer) can only do 220 max if it's willing to sacrifice everything else a battleship should have: armor plates, shield systems, repair systems, propulsion, jamming, Electronic warfare and crew bathroom facilities?
because in reality the enemy isnt going to go to some UN message board and whine that the US Navy is overpowered, in EVE if the Rokh could shoot 400km(and lock that far away) i can only imagine the whines
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dennyreborn
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Posted - 2007.01.21 17:16:00 -
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Quote: "Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum." [Who desires peace should prepare for war.]
Flavius Vegetius Renatus to me suggest preparing newer and better weapon systems is a must.
Quote: null
Quote: I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.
Barry Goldwater
Quote: Only the dead have seen the end of war.
George Santayana
War is in our nature. I know hippies would love for us to come and sing. but 5 minutes after we are done singing we will fight over water food and other needs. You want to go make a country with out a military somewhere there are plenty of islands with no people on it go try it. i bet we come back in 10 years and the guy with the biggest club is chief.
as for the question of accuracy my understanding is the speed mitigates the effect of weather to a large degree. solids act like liquids, liquids act like gas and gas is almost like a vacuum at those speed.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.21 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Alassra Eventide Navy already has railguns actually noobs, I shud kno cuz I am teh Admiral of teh entyr SEaz0rz!!!oneoneelven!
That was for you, Patch.
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Asimov Andies
Gallente Red Blade Industries United Corporations of Eve
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Posted - 2007.01.21 21:38:00 -
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maybe I miss understand something here... hopefully someone can explain to me. I have always thought Gauss and rail guns are the same thing. I thought they both used magnetic acceleration to launch a projectile.
If that is the case, gauss rifles already exsist, although they are primarily used for bird hunting.
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GouldFish
Unscoped Myriad Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.21 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: smashsmash has anyone else heard the million dollar space-pen urban legend? it basically goes like this:
NASA needed a pen that could write in space, underwater and at extreme temperatures during the space race. After spending millions of dollars engineers finally came up with a pen that could just do that. The Russians on the other hand, used pencils.
i can see a billion dollar trebuchet legend sprouting wings and flying around the internet in the near future.
The funny thing is that this is completely false. Both the US and Russians used pencils at the start of the space race but both faced the same issues. Flakes from the pencils drifted around the ships and could get into peoples eyes and electrics.
The pen compainy Fisher designed and built the "space pens" on there own and with out any money from the govenment.
Now both groups use the space pen.
Space pen
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.21 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Asimov Andies maybe I miss understand something here... hopefully someone can explain to me. I have always thought Gauss and rail guns are the same thing. I thought they both used magnetic acceleration to launch a projectile.
If that is the case, gauss rifles already exsist, although they are primarily used for bird hunting.
Thats almost close to what I said on page 1
Anyhow, the difference between coilguns (gauss guns) and railguns are largely to do with design (one uses 2 magnetic rails and the other uses a magnetic coil, shockingly). Neither of which have any common usage today- they require terawatts of power to function. Read Wikipedia for more info here and here.
If there is a real gun called a "gauss gun", it is nothing tt do with a real gauss gun- just an imitation name.
My original comment was related to the fact some navies use "railguns" to refer to guns fitted to a certain rail system- nothing to do with actual railguns. -----------------------------------------------
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