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Pod Panik
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2015.12.25 21:46:57 -
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Hello everyone?
Any recommendation for a l4 laser mission ship?
I can't use T2 yet but T1 and faction ships are fine...
Any ship/spec recommemdation?
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Xylem Viliana
Protomonolithic
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Posted - 2015.12.25 22:47:32 -
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for t1 ships likely a nightmare
t2 paladin
sig speed tanked zealot was amusing for about 30 mins might be possible in a N-Omen never bothered trying |
Kosetzu
Aeons Multiplied
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Posted - 2015.12.25 23:22:04 -
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Apoc/Napoc is also a decent idea. Since no T2 crystals go beams most of the time. |
Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.26 01:18:54 -
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Punisher / Coercer for level 1
Omen (Better cap than Maller) for level 2
Harbinger for level 3
Apocalypse / Apocalypse Navy Issue for level 4 |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.12.26 01:54:59 -
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Xylem Viliana wrote:for t1 ships likely a nightmare
t2 paladin
sig speed tanked zealot was amusing for about 30 mins might be possible in a N-Omen never bothered trying
This
Nightmare is the best T1 laser boat BS hands down and can do level 4s solo (if linked or blinged). Beyond that I say train for the Paladins ASAP. |
Pod Panik
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2015.12.26 04:03:26 -
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Any spec for the nightmare?
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.12.26 08:08:11 -
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Here's an Shield and Armor tank fit you can try out. Many people for some odd reasons frown upon Armor Tanked NMs for no justifiable reason, but I'll tell you from my experience that they work extremely well for Lev 4 mission running (especially if you run them using Armor/Skirmish Links).
NM Shield Mission Runner Highs Tachyon Beam Laser II ~ Navy Multi @43km + 41km Tachyon Beam Laser II ~ Navy Multi @43km + 41km Tachyon Beam Laser II ~ Navy Multi @43km + 41km Tachyon Beam Laser II ~ Navy Multi @43km + 41km Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II
Mids Gist A-Type 100MN AB Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier Pithum C-TYpe Thermal Dissipation Amplifier Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Tracking Computer II ~ Optimal Range Scripts Heavy Capacitor Booster II ~ 800s Pith A-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Lows Damage Control II True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
Lows Large Core Defense Capacitor Safegaurd II Large Core Defense Capacitor Safegaurd II Large Core Defense Capacitor Safegaurd II
Drones 5x Hammerhead IIs 5x Hobgoblin IIs
Impants Squire Capacitor Systems Operation EO-605 Gunslinger Motion Prediction MR-705 Zor's Custom Navigation Hyper-Link Gunsliger Surgical Strike SS-905 Lancer Large Energy Turret LE-1005
Stats with all Vs, (except Large Pulse/Beam Specializations skills which are at Lev 4) 4xTachyon Beam Laser II ~ Navy Multi @43km + 41km does 988DPS 4xTachyon Beam Laser II ~ Navy Gamma @54km + 42km does 906DPS Shield Resist Profile 67 74 62 68 tanks 678DPS Cap Last for Approx 6min with everything running Speed is 894 m/s (with Cal BS at lev4 speed is 768 m/s) Sig is 417
NM Armor Mission Runner Highs Tachyon Beam Laser II ~ Navy Multi @46km + 48km Tachyon Beam Laser II ~ Navy Multi @46km + 48km Tachyon Beam Laser II ~ Navy Multi @46km + 48km Tachyon Beam Laser II ~ Navy Multi @46km + 48km Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II
Mids Gist X-Type 100MN AB Tacking Computer II ~ Optimal Range Scripts Tacking Computer II ~ Optimal Range Scripts Tacking Computer II ~ Optimal Range Scripts Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Lows Damage Control II True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane True Sansha Large Armor Repairer True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink
Rigs Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Drones 5x Hammerhead IIs 5x Hobgoblin IIs
Impants Squire Capacitor Systems Operation EO-605 Gunslinger Motion Prediction MR-705 Zor's Custom Navigation Hyper-Link Gunsliger Surgical Strike SS-905 Lancer Large Energy Turret LE-1005
Stats with all Vs, (except Large Pulse/Beam Specializations skills which are at Lev 4) 4xTachyon Beam Laser II ~ Navy Multi @46km + 48km does 870DPS 4xTachyon Beam Laser II ~ Navy Gamma @58km + 48km does 797DPS Armor Resist Profile is 75 68 64 62 Omni Tanks 285DPS Cap Stable at 33% with everything running Speed is 918 m/s (with Cal BS at lev4 speed is 792 m/s) Sig is 370 |
Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2015.12.26 09:26:17 -
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nightmare all the way!
Daniela Doran wrote:Many people for some odd reasons frown upon Armor Tanked NMs for no justifiable reason, but I'll tell you from my experience that they work extremely well for Lev 4 mission running (especially if you run them using Armor/Skirmish Links).
because a) shield tanking is easy, and b) +2 damage mods with the shield tank.
with 5% damage implants, 4x t2 heat sinks: 1011 dps, 2x t2 heatsinks: 849 dps
not exactly a big no-no, but I wouldn't do it.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Voxinian
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Posted - 2015.12.26 11:10:07 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:Xylem Viliana wrote:for t1 ships likely a nightmare
t2 paladin
sig speed tanked zealot was amusing for about 30 mins might be possible in a N-Omen never bothered trying This Nightmare is the best T1 laser boat BS hands down and can do level 4s solo (if linked or blinged). Beyond that I say train for the Paladins ASAP.
You are basically saying that laser BS sux for L4's thus, I agree. Missle/drone BS is the way to go. |
elitatwo
Eve Minions The-Company
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Posted - 2015.12.26 11:11:12 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:Xylem Viliana wrote:for t1 ships likely a nightmare
t2 paladin
sig speed tanked zealot was amusing for about 30 mins might be possible in a N-Omen never bothered trying This Nightmare is the best T1 laser boat BS hands down and can do level 4s solo (if linked or blinged). Beyond that I say train for the Paladins ASAP.
The Nightmare is not a tech 1 boat, she is a pirate faction ship. Oh and you forgot a few heat sinks, always heatsink all the thingies. To hell with damage per hit. Damage per time is the only important thing in EVE.
What Kosetzu said.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2015.12.26 11:28:24 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:Xylem Viliana wrote:for t1 ships likely a nightmare
t2 paladin
sig speed tanked zealot was amusing for about 30 mins might be possible in a N-Omen never bothered trying This Nightmare is the best T1 laser boat BS hands down and can do level 4s solo (if linked or blinged). Beyond that I say train for the Paladins ASAP.
You don't need to either link or bling a Nightmare to do L4s solo. You barely need T2.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.12.26 11:51:28 -
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Voxinian wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:Xylem Viliana wrote:for t1 ships likely a nightmare
t2 paladin
sig speed tanked zealot was amusing for about 30 mins might be possible in a N-Omen never bothered trying This Nightmare is the best T1 laser boat BS hands down and can do level 4s solo (if linked or blinged). Beyond that I say train for the Paladins ASAP. You are basically saying that laser BS sux for L4's thus, I agree. Missle/drone BS is the way to go.
The Paladins totally disagree with you. To a lesser extent the NMs do as well.
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
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Posted - 2015.12.26 17:32:02 -
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Since when have links ever been needed for L4 missions?
Oh god.
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Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2015.12.26 17:59:08 -
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Riot Girl, Agreed. I haven't run L4's in years but when I did I used a regular ole Raven with T1 launchers and only as much T2 tank as I had skills for back then. Can't remember ever having to warp out with a BS tank in an L4 mission. While I'm sure a blinged out NM would have been quicker- it would have been so only at extreme cost increase. Certainly don't need a ship capable of doing The Maze solo just to farm L4's. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2015.12.26 18:50:33 -
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Alaric Faelen wrote:Riot Girl, Agreed. I haven't run L4's in years but when I did I used a regular ole Raven with T1 launchers and only as much T2 tank as I had skills for back then. Can't remember ever having to warp out with a BS tank in an L4 mission. While I'm sure a blinged out NM would have been quicker- it would have been so only at extreme cost increase. Certainly don't need a ship capable of doing The Maze solo just to farm L4's.
A Nightmare isn't really tankier than a Raven - they're about the same in that respect. It just has awesome EM damage projection which is instantly applied. And for some missions, that AB speed bonus is actually pretty nice. I guess it would also count as a tanking bonus too; 370m sig @ 8--900m/s will mitigate a fair percentage of incoming BS damage.
Another less considered aspect is that the speed bonus is also effectively a tracking bonus; the NM can outpace all but the fastest elite frigate rats, and thus maintain transversal. It also means you spend less time plinking away with lower damage crystals.
But mostly it's goddamb cool.
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.12.27 00:47:20 -
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Malcanis wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:Xylem Viliana wrote:for t1 ships likely a nightmare
t2 paladin
sig speed tanked zealot was amusing for about 30 mins might be possible in a N-Omen never bothered trying This Nightmare is the best T1 laser boat BS hands down and can do level 4s solo (if linked or blinged). Beyond that I say train for the Paladins ASAP. You don't need to either link or bling a Nightmare to do L4s solo. You barely need T2.
Try to run a T2 fitted non-linked NM solo in Lev 4 Smash the Supplier or the 6th room in Angel Extrava and tell me how that went. |
elitatwo
Eve Minions The-Company
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Posted - 2015.12.27 01:14:11 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:...Try to run a T2 fitted non-linked NM solo in Lev 4 Smash the Supplier or the 6th room in Angel Extrava and tell me how that went.
I did, was awesome. Sink the towers with tachyons, switch to multifrequency and show the angel cartel the error of their ways
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Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
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Posted - 2015.12.27 01:37:42 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Since when have links ever been needed for L4 missions? Never really. Neither have bling fits. If you have some experience you can do lvl 4 missions in any BS in a semi decent T I fit.
Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format.
Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.12.27 03:18:34 -
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elitatwo wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:...Try to run a T2 fitted non-linked NM solo in Lev 4 Smash the Supplier or the 6th room in Angel Extrava and tell me how that went. I did, was awesome. Sink the towers with tachyons, switch to multifrequency and show the angel cartel the error of their ways
You're the rare exception Elita, I'm talking about casual mission runners.
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Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2015.12.27 04:11:24 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:Try to run a T2 fitted non-linked NM solo in Lev 4 Smash the Supplier or the 6th room in Angel Extrava and tell me how that went.
1. good thing smash the supplier doesn't show up in the amarr mission pool! I'd guess it probably isn't the best choice for gal/min missions. although SoE in apanake might do pretty well. Although AB Kiting probably would work
2. if you find yourself in any room of AE in a nightmare you have very probably done something wrong.
@ChainsawPlankto
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elitatwo
Eve Minions The-Company
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Posted - 2015.12.28 01:58:55 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:...Sig is 370
I am sorry to do this but those two fits are not very good and this look like tech one links. A claymore linked Nightmare's signature is 280m and the speed with the gist x-type ab is more like 1134m/s.
Hmm.. I should use the Zor implant and check the speed again.
Oh and shields or not your tank is the afterburner
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Daerrol
Death By Design Did he say Jump
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Posted - 2015.12.28 03:21:18 -
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Capboosted/MWD Abaddon for high skill points, somewhat challenging, and huge DPS
Paladin or Nightmare for Blingfits. Even with simple T2 gear these ships tear up any L4 mission when fit and flown right
Navy Apoc for Rich, Medium to Low SP
Apocolypse for New Bros
The Armageddon can do L4's np but it's slow. I only use it for running DED in Lowsec where I can run the mission 90% PVP fit and MWD kite with Sentries. Then neut out/kill/fight people who try to gank me. Could work well in Highsec for during wars. |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.12.28 03:43:03 -
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elitatwo wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:...Sig is 370 I am sorry to do this but those two fits are not very good and this look like tech one links. A claymore linked Nightmare's signature is 280m and the speed with the gist x-type ab is more like 1134m/s. Hmm.. I should use the Zor implant and check the speed again. Oh and shields or not your tank is the afterburner
These are all unlinked stats and don't use links anymore because there is no need of them for mission running. But they helps out a lot when you're just starting out. And the difference between the Gist A & X types are narrow and won't make much difference when mission running.
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Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
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Posted - 2015.12.29 07:11:24 -
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Abaddon>Navy Apoc>Nightmare>Paladin
Paladin is the end game of PVE ships for Amarr missions. When you reach that level and actually fly one to a mission you will see exactly what I mean.
Oderint Dum Metuant
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elitatwo
Eve Minions The-Company
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Posted - 2015.12.29 10:48:51 -
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Aralieus wrote:Abaddon>Navy Apoc>Nightmare>Paladin
Paladin is the end game of PVE ships for Amarr missions. When you reach that level and actually fly one to a mission you will see exactly what I mean.
You forgot the regular Apocalypse which is an excellent level 4 mission boat. And don't strangle me but I still prefer my Nightmare as pve boat that could.
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Angel Mortalitas
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.01.02 12:15:39 -
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elitatwo wrote:
The Nightmare is not a tech 1 boat, she is a pirate faction ship. Oh and you forgot a few heat sinks, always heatsink all the thingies. To hell with damage per hit. Damage per time is the only important thing in EVE.
What Kosetzu said.
Psst.....ssshh, just quietly, it is actually a Tech 1. Keep it to yourself though yeah, ssshh
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elitatwo
Eve Minions The-Company
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Posted - 2016.01.02 14:20:34 -
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Aralieus wrote:Abaddon>Navy Apoc>Nightmare>Paladin
Paladin is the end game of PVE ships for Amarr missions. When you reach that level and actually fly one to a mission you will see exactly what I mean.
Sorry for doing this and you know I do respect you but it is:
Apocalype, Abaddon > Navy Apocalype >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nightmare and
Paladin* tech2
*(tech2 means you pay the sov bills and sooper-dooper bakery costs of sov nullsec and fund their "wars" by buying this at your own discretion)
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Andrew Indy
POS Party
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Posted - 2016.01.05 08:04:27 -
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Aralieus wrote:Abaddon>Navy Apoc>Nightmare>Paladin
Paladin is the end game of PVE ships for Amarr missions. When you reach that level and actually fly one to a mission you will see exactly what I mean.
Personally I think the NM is fairly comparable to the Paladin for Lvl4s , you really just trade a Tracking Bonus for a Range bonus. As long as tank is not an issue the cap bonus/Rep amount/Bastion are pointless.
Paladin are however far superior when tank is an issue (like C4/C5 Whs)
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