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Xotcl Gaterau
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.27 13:14:09 -
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Via missions (Career Missions, SOE epic arc, and Security missions) and some hauling/trading I've been able to save 25 million.
Hauling/trading is a bit promising- yesterday I was able to make about 5 million in about 2-3 hours trading between systems- but at that rate it will take me another 20 days, if I'm lucky and don't get blown up- to hit my initial goal of 100 million.
I can't make more hauling/trading because I don't have enough capital to buy the expensive stuff that has the highest profit, so I've been mostly carry cheap stuff like wheat and electronic parts. The best I've been able to do is about 400k per trip, and that's just because I was lucky to stumble on a nice trade route (Olettier to Crielere) while transporting something else to Olettier.
Anyway, can you provide suggestions for getting to 100m more quickly and efficiently? I would prefer to stick to trading but would do other things if that will get me there more quickly.
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Centis Adjani
Adjani Corporation
84
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Posted - 2015.12.27 13:30:28 -
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The fastest way to earn ISK is...
...buy a PLEX at Account Management Website of CCP and sell it on the market. I remember times, not long ago, where a PLEX cost about 380.000.000 ISK on market. The US$ or EUR price to buy a PLEX did not increase much since these days. But at the moment you earn more than 1.100.000.000 ISK for selling one PLEX... |
Xotcl Gaterau
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.27 13:34:04 -
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Centis Adjani wrote:The fastest way to earn ISK is...
...buy a PLEX at Account Management Website of CCP and sell it on the market. I remember times, not long ago, where a PLEX cost about 380.000.000 ISK on market. The US$ or EUR price to buy a PLEX did not increase much since these days. But at the moment you earn more than 1.100.000.000 ISK for selling one PLEX...
I wanted to do it the old fashioned way: earn it.
Not saying I won't resort to PLEX at some point in the future, but to me buying the ISK takes some of the fun out of it, at least at this point.
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Centis Adjani
Adjani Corporation
84
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Posted - 2015.12.27 13:43:09 -
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So may be run Courier Missions.
Fit for this a hauler ship with - 1x Hyperspatial Verlocity Optimizer RIG - 1x Low Friction Nozzle Joints RIGs - 1x Cargohold Optimization RIG Put Inertia Stabilizers into the low slots of the Ship (one ore two, not more) and fill the other low slots with Expanded Cargohold. Fill med slot with an Afterburner.
This enables you to run courier missions very fast. And depending on the Level of the Agent (Level 3 or 4), the payout is not bad. For Level 4 Courier Missions you should have a cargo hold of about 10.000 m-¦, that fits for all. |
Erin Oswell
Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance
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Posted - 2015.12.27 13:51:59 -
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Xotcl Gaterau wrote:Centis Adjani wrote:The fastest way to earn ISK is...
...buy a PLEX at Account Management Website of CCP and sell it on the market. I remember times, not long ago, where a PLEX cost about 380.000.000 ISK on market. The US$ or EUR price to buy a PLEX did not increase much since these days. But at the moment you earn more than 1.100.000.000 ISK for selling one PLEX... I wanted to do it the old fashioned way: earn it. Not saying I won't resort to PLEX at some point in the future, but to me buying the ISK takes some of the fun out of it, at least at this point.
Exactly the reason I haven't gone to PLEX myself, just takes the satisfaction out of earning it. In all honesty station trading is just a joke at the moment, too much competition and constant monitoring of your orders for minimal profits. All you need is one infuriating noob to lower their price by 500k or something on a sell order of 20-30 items to wipe out a significant chunk of your profit. I found it a little boring aswell.
You can generally make the same sort of money ratting a couple of sites from bounty alone, plus pay for costs and you get the chance of Commander drops & escalations, all pure profit. The other alternative is exploration in low or nullsec, wormholes need a stronger stomach before exploring in them.
Rules of Acquisition #13: "Anything worth doing is worth doing for money"
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
13346
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Posted - 2015.12.27 14:03:29 -
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steal scam and shoot people till they give you isk or you pick it from their wrecks.
Better the Devil you know.
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Erin Oswell
Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance
8
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Posted - 2015.12.27 14:16:18 -
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Scamming is for lazy players with no imagination, given the vast variety of scams on Jita local *tips sarcasm hat*
Rules of Acquisition #13: "Anything worth doing is worth doing for money"
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Centis Adjani
Adjani Corporation
84
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Posted - 2015.12.27 14:16:34 -
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Another thing, I sometimes doing just for fun:
Fit a frigate for PvE, here an example fitting for the tristan: https://o.smium.org/loadout/20308
Fly through space and look out for Cosmic Anomalies. In Gallente Space they named Gł+Serpentis Burrow (Serpentis-Bau) Gł+Serpentis Den (Serpentis-H+¦hle) Gł+Serpentis Forlorn Hideaway (Verlassener Serpentis-Unterschlupf) Gł+Serpentis Forsaken Hideaway (Einsamer Serpentis-Unterschlupf) Gł+Serpentis Hidden Hideaway (Geheimer Serpentis-Unterschlupf) Gł+Serpentis Hideaway (Serpentis-Unterschlupf) Gł+Serpentis Refuge (Zuflucht der Serpentis) Gł+Serpentis Drug Outlet (Serpentis-Drogenvertriebsstelle) - (DED 1/10) Gł+Serpentis Hideout (Serpentis-Versteck) These ^^^ are from site: http://de.sistersprobe.wikia.com/wiki/Serpentis_im_HiSec#Serpentis_Anomalien
Kill the rats there. Loot the wrecks. Sometimes you earn terrific loot items. I remember one time in Gallente Space I found an Implant in one wreck, worth 400 Million.
The loot items you find in the wrecks, sell them on market. Keep the items you may find useful for yourself to fit your ships better.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
13347
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Posted - 2015.12.27 14:38:11 -
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Erin Oswell wrote:Scamming is for lazy players with no imagination, given the vast variety of scams on Jita local *tips sarcasm hat* jita local is glorified begging, social engineering and confidence scamms can be rather complicated, engaging and represent literal years of nuanced and skilled work. dont judge by the lowest of the low here
you are too young to know who Bad Bobby is or why his name is important , hell i'm too young for that but i know.
Better the Devil you know.
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2015.12.27 14:40:16 -
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The only get-rich-quick scheme that's guaranteed to work is the PLEX. Everything else falls into 2 categories:
1. Slow and steady: - mining - missions - exploration - trade - manufacturing
2. Maybe you get lucky, but not guaranteed: - corp theft - scams - suicide ganking a rich target
The slow-and-steady methods are, of course, affected by the security level, with highsec being super-crowded and not very rewarding. As you've noticed, trade profits depend on the amount of money that you have for investing, so actually trade can be less profitable than the other slow-and-steady methods at first. Mining and missions, for example, give a steady x million / hour, regardless of how much money you already have.
The get lucky schemes are very unlikely to work, too, as the game is more than 10 years old and we don't trust anyone by now.
If you don't want to pay $20 for a PLEX, that's reasonable, but keep in mind that the money grind (and eventual boredom of having to do it) is what drives a lot of people to quit the game after a month or two. |
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1042
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Posted - 2015.12.27 14:44:30 -
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My first question to you would be what do you need the isk for?
My second question to you would be what do you like doing?
In Eve you can make isk doing pretty much anything so you don't figure out what is the best way to make isk. You figure out what you like doing then find ways to increase your efficiency at doing that thing that you enjoy.
If you need isk to PvP now then the other posters that say buy a PLEX are correct. If you want to earn isk just for the sake of saying that you did it then don't focus on earning the isk. Focus on learning more about what you are enjoying in game.
So play the game more and find your playstyle. Then come back here and tell us "I like doing X,Y and Z can you tell me how to make better isk doing that?". Then those of us with experience at X,Y and Z can offer advice. |
Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
28818
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Posted - 2015.12.27 15:52:22 -
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Argh... must .... resist ........ hhnnnggghh....
IF YOU SEND IT TO ME I'LL QUADRUPLE IT!!!!
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*sighs*
.... sheesh, what a relief! XD
Alex Grison > If there was a bipartisan bill supporting cannabis use for arthritic pain, it would be Joint support for Joint support for joint support
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Centis Adjani
Adjani Corporation
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Posted - 2015.12.27 15:59:47 -
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@ Solecist Project
But I'm sure, Xotcl already know about these ISK doubling scam...
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Erin Oswell
Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance
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Posted - 2015.12.27 16:05:01 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Erin Oswell wrote:Scamming is for lazy players with no imagination, given the vast variety of scams on Jita local *tips sarcasm hat* jita local is glorified begging, social engineering and confidence scamms can be rather complicated, engaging and represent literal years of nuanced and skilled work. dont judge by the lowest of the low here you are too young to know who Bad Bobby is or why his name is important , hell i'm too young for that but i know.
Not saying there aren't some well engineered scams, corporate thefts and such but it was more of a generalized observation of the sort of thing the average player is likely to come across but yeah, I'm a greenhorn still.
Rules of Acquisition #13: "Anything worth doing is worth doing for money"
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Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.27 16:42:36 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Erin Oswell wrote:Scamming is for lazy players with no imagination, given the vast variety of scams on Jita local *tips sarcasm hat* jita local is glorified begging, social engineering and confidence scamms can be rather complicated, engaging and represent literal years of nuanced and skilled work. Hear hear!
Alex Grison > If there was a bipartisan bill supporting cannabis use for arthritic pain, it would be Joint support for Joint support for joint support
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
473
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Posted - 2015.12.27 16:53:03 -
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Centis Adjani wrote: @ Solecist Project But I'm sure, Xotcl already know about these ISK doubling scam...
She wasn't offering to double, she was offering to quadruple. Totally different.
My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
3850
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Posted - 2015.12.27 16:54:56 -
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Isk is not and end unto itself, it's a means to something else. |
Xotcl Gaterau
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2015.12.27 17:53:20 -
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Centis Adjani wrote: @ Solecist Project But I'm sure, Xotcl already know about these ISK doubling scam...
Yes, I've read about these and I've seen people spamming Jita saying give me 50m ISK and you can pick a prize out of box that's guaranteed to be worth more thant 50m., etc.
What I can't understand is how anyone can fall for this sort of thing unless he/she is perhaps very young.
The schemes where a person gains his friends' confidence over a period of time and then screws them are understandable.
I guess EVE doesn't have a court system where you can sue the scammers?
Or do you just hire someone to break his digital legs? |
Xotcl Gaterau
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2015.12.27 17:57:05 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Isk is not and end unto itself, it's a means to something else.
I see this said a lot, both here and in real life, but I don't think it's true for everyone.
I don't see why wanting to excel in PVP, or exploring, or whatever is any more laudable than wanting to amass ISK just because. |
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
475
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Posted - 2015.12.27 17:59:32 -
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Hire someone, form a coalition. Tears only draw crowds and not sympathy in eve.
Scams, like isk doubling appeal to people that think they can beat the system. It's no different than normal gambling. Sooner or later the house wins, so can you get in, get paid, and get out before the house wins?
Personally I trade for isk, but I started by courier contracts. Like the others said, don't make collecting x amount of isk by y date a goal.
Go find something that you enjoy, chances are it can be used to make isk. Having fun is the priority in a game, not making virtual money.
My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
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Xotcl Gaterau
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2015.12.27 18:00:41 -
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Well, thanks for all those who have provided advice.
But I learned how to quickly progress to 100m.
Some kind person named Iron longNeck deposited 75m in my account about 30 minutes after I made the OP.
I will try to put it to good use to move towards the next 100m.
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Xotcl Gaterau
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2015.12.27 18:07:42 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:Hire someone, form a coalition. Tears only draw crowds and not sympathy in eve. .
No tears here. Just looking for advice.
Iria Ahrens wrote: Having fun is the priority in a game, not making virtual money.
With all due respect, this is just a platitude that isn't even accurate.
It seems to me that there are number of activities in the game where the goal is, in fact, to make ISK and success is measured by ISK. Trading or manufacturing for example,
Activities like pvp and exploration have different objecctives, t, but who's to say that they're more "fun" than trading or manufacturing?
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Erin Oswell
Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance
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Posted - 2015.12.27 19:08:19 -
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Xotcl Gaterau wrote:Well, thanks for all those who have provided advice. But I learned how to quickly progress to 100m. Some kind person named Iron longNeck deposited 75m in my account about 30 minutes after I made the OP. I will try to put it to good use to move towards the next 100m.
Aren't you a lucky chap! If you want my advice don't spend it on flashy faction ships, sooner or later you WILL loose it. Perhaps put it towards a good but cheap cruiser for ratting/mission running.
Rules of Acquisition #13: "Anything worth doing is worth doing for money"
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Xotcl Gaterau
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.27 19:51:29 -
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Erin Oswell wrote:Xotcl Gaterau wrote:Well, thanks for all those who have provided advice. But I learned how to quickly progress to 100m. Some kind person named Iron longNeck deposited 75m in my account about 30 minutes after I made the OP. I will try to put it to good use to move towards the next 100m. Aren't you a lucky chap! If you want my advice don't spend it on flashy faction ships, sooner or later you WILL loose it. Perhaps put it towards a good but cheap cruiser for ratting/mission running.
Don't worry. I'm a cheap bastard. I'll use the cheapest ship I can get away with! |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
3854
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Posted - 2015.12.27 20:07:37 -
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If you're a successful trader any you have a **** ton of liquid isk you are doing it wrong. |
Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
2251
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Posted - 2015.12.27 21:38:46 -
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Xotcl Gaterau wrote:Iria Ahrens wrote: Having fun is the priority in a game, not making virtual money. With all due respect, this is just a platitude that isn't even accurate. It seems to me that there are number of activities in the game where the goal is, in fact, to make ISK and success is measured by ISK. Trading or manufacturing for example, Activities like pvp and exploration have different objecctives, t, but who's to say that they're more "fun" than trading or manufacturing?
the goal of making isk is almost always to use it for something else. Fund pvp, buy a new bpo, buy a plex, get some shiny implants, or whatever else. It makes sense be efficient and work to minimize time spent to get that goal. Some people see the goal as the fun and the isk making as grinding to achieve it, others have fun with the grind. If I need to buy a plex every month I'm not going to waste my time mining veldspar when I can run missions or go exploring. Of course there are some people out there that are just making isk to make isk. I don't really have a goal right now so I'm mostly in that category, however once I do decide a goal I'm going to have a hell of a lot of isk to have fun with
@ChainsawPlankto
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
3854
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Posted - 2015.12.27 21:56:00 -
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Xotcl Gaterau wrote:I see this said a lot, both here and in real life, but I don't think it's true for everyone.
I don't see why wanting to excel in PVP, or exploring, or whatever is any more laudable than wanting to amass ISK just because.
If you don't actually spend money on anything remotely interesting it's literally pointless. The purpose of currency is a medium of exchange, just sitting on a huge pile of it without using it for anything is wasteful and foolish. Hell rich people in real life at least throw money into status symbols like luxury goods and property and leave their wealth to their children or a charity when they die.
A rich person in EVE that doesn't spend their isk on anything is just an isk sink. |
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
477
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Posted - 2015.12.27 22:59:56 -
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Xotcl Gaterau wrote:Iria Ahrens wrote:Hire someone, form a coalition. Tears only draw crowds and not sympathy in eve. . No tears here. Just looking for advice.
It wasn't an accusation, just a warning. Not everything we write on NQ&A is directly towards the OP, much of it is written for other Newbies reading the thread.
Quote:Iria Ahrens wrote: Having fun is the priority in a game, not making virtual money. With all due respect, this is just a platitude that isn't even accurate. It seems to me that there are number of activities in the game where the goal is, in fact, to make ISK and success is measured by ISK. Trading or manufacturing for example, Activities like pvp and exploration have different objecctives, t, but who's to say that they're more "fun" than trading or manufacturing?
Trading and Manufacturing make a lot of money so a lot of money can be spent, and because the more money you have, the less effort it takes to make more. Every isk making activity in Eve can be thought in terms of resource%/time = profit. Traders work this equation by maximizing resources so that even a small percentage of ROV can equal a large amount of isk. Mission runners seek a good balance of recources vs. time, while scammers are seeking the largest return for the least resources invested, so they generally spend a lot of time between payouts.
If accumulating money is fun for you, then do it. I'm just saying that whatever method you chose should be one you enjoy, because there are many means to make isk, and every single one of them will support any given playstyle.
I trade because I enjoy trading, not because I have to make lots of isk. This is a game, that's not a platitude. So enjoy yourself.
My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
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ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1529
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Posted - 2015.12.27 23:28:24 -
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Train for Incursion ships. Take a look for a good Incursion community and learn what they require of you. If you get to their standards, you'll be making 100m+ an hour.
Whoops, almost forgot to say that if you become part of the incursion community, you'll have a lot of options for marketeering. Incursioners are generally pretty lazy. They won't fly two systems over if they can buy it in the current staging system, even if its twice the going rate.
Good luck!
ISD Decoy
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Luke Skywalking
SRS-BSNS
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Posted - 2015.12.28 01:18:17 -
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I'm one month into this game.. and I was at your stage eager to earn as much isk I can.. only to find out that I can't fly even my battle cruiser (Myrmidon) to its potential and ended up doing missions in my cruiser (Vexor) , even at lvl 3 security missions.
Now nearing my first billion, I realised just by doing stuff religiously the isk will come. I tend to not let anything go to waste and by that I mean doing things like mission-ing. . Combat sites. .hoping for escalations... bookmark all wrecks .. salvage and loot (they give really good extras apart from your mission rewards and rats bounties ) .. repeat.... get bored and then change ships to exploration... get the occasional 50 to 100mil loot from high sec data/relic sites.. yes im serious. ...repeat.. take a break (and afk mining while you take a break. 900k to 1mil per haul from a noob venture is great passive income too )..
Soon enough you find your isk piling up and effectively you only need a few cheap ships. Glamorous ships that the veterans fly are something we set our target and look forward to.. but when you are new... you just simply have to train up your skill set. Work towards something you really want to do and work hard. Just remember to have fun.
And oh. I bought a 3 month sub as I am confident things will get better by then, and I should be able to buy plex and be self sufficient. |
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